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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Jul 18, 2008 · posted in The Satellite DISH - By Scott Greczkowski

Early Termination Fees

I have recently heard that the FCC is thinking stepping in and taking action to help consumers in regards to early termination fees. So fa...

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Tyralak

Jun 15, 2008

I agree. The cost of installation and aquiring news customers is just too high to have people canceling early. Did you know that it takes Dish about 2 years to make a profit on a customer? The only thing I would like to see, are an end to one sided contracts, where you still have to be responsible for your side of the bargain no matter what the company does on theirs. There should be escape clauses for certain reasons.

Hemi 6.1

Jun 15, 2008

Tyralak said:
. Did you know that it takes Dish about 2 years to make a profit on a customer? .

I don't believe that at all. D* would have 4 year commitments if that was the case. So if I signed up for 2 years and left after 2 years, D* made no money off me? , Yea Right!

Tyralak

Jun 15, 2008

Hemi 6.1 said:
I don't believe that at all. D* would have 4 year commitments if that was the case. So if I signed up for 2 years and left after 2 years, D* made no money off me? , Yea Right!

I work for Dish, and unless they're outright lying to all their employees we're told frequently that it takes almost 2 years to break even on acquiring a new customer and begin making a profit. This is all combined costs, not just the truck roll, labor, supplies and equipment. It's marketing, administration costs and every other cost involved with that customer. Just like when a company hires on a new employee. It's a very expensive process. It's not just the employee's hourly wage, there's thousands of dollars behind the scenes involved.

WhiteTiger1

Jul 11, 2008

Tell Dish To Keep up there part of the agreement

Tyralak said:
I work for Dish, and unless they're outright lying to all their employees we're told frequently that it takes almost 2 years to break even on acquiring a new customer and begin making a profit. This is all combined costs, not just the truck roll, labor, supplies and equipment. It's marketing, administration costs and every other cost involved with that customer. Just like when a company hires on a new employee. It's a very expensive process. It's not just the employee's hourly wage, there's thousands of dollars behind the scenes involved.

Pretty Bad that the consumer has to keep up to there side of the contract and Dish can take away at will. I signed a contract to get Voom, guess what no more VOOM!! They can terminate channels that made me sign on the dotted line. But that's ok!! in there eyes. They lie to people to get them to sign up I know I use to sell it. If I knew they were getting rid of Voom they would not of gotton my business. They were selling people on the Voom channels all the way up until they were gone. People who were lied to should have a way out of there contracts. And Dish should eat that exspense because of the lie. I've seen people get hooked up to Dish that should of never been installed with Dish.(Very Poor reception) Trees,Buildings etc... Most people don't realise they have a poor install until there's Bad weather. And trying to get Dish to do something about it is like pulling teeth. You talk to someone different every time you call. When it comes only about the sell, and not being true to the customer who pays your wages. Then that's were I draw the line. :shocked BYE BYE DISH...

Spatch

Jul 12, 2008

WhiteTiger1 said:
Pretty Bad that the consumer has to keep up to there side of the contract and Dish can take away at will. I signed a contract to get Voom, guess what no more VOOM!! They can terminate channels that made me sign on the dotted line. But that's ok!! in there eyes. They lie to people to get them to sign up I know I use to sell it. If I knew they were getting rid of Voom they would not of gotton my business. They were selling people on the Voom channels all the way up until they were gone. People who were lied to should have a way out of there contracts. And Dish should eat that exspense because of the lie. I've seen people get hooked up to Dish that should of never been installed with Dish.(Very Poor reception) Trees,Buildings etc... Most people don't realise they have a poor install until there's Bad weather. And trying to get Dish to do something about it is like pulling teeth. You talk to someone different every time you call. When it comes only about the sell, and not being true to the customer who pays your wages. Then that's were I draw the line. :shocked BYE BYE DISH...

You need to read a contract before you sign it! You in your mind may have signed a contract for voom, but in reality you signed a contract for Dish. The contract states that dish may remove programing at anytime.

BobMurdoch

Jul 16, 2008

There are a few things that make people change their mind when it comes to satellite.......

The marketing guys breathlessly hype how great things are, and how cheap it is.

Unfortunately, they fail to disclose the gotchas that can quickly tick off a new customer.....

Rain Fade in Florida and other places susceptible to heavy downpours, poor line of sight to the dish, leaves on the trees that can block a signal, nickel and dime fees that are never disclosed clearly enough, overcompression, flaky receiver software (wasn't an issue as much until the latest 622/722 release), unresponsive or clueless customer service, and blown installation appointments. Channels they assume are there but aren't ("What do you mean I can't watch the Yankees?") Oh, and 100 channels of HD that really isn't 100 channels. The only ones happy with their 100 channels are the hackers.

None of these are the fault of the consumer, but he/she is expected to keep the service for 2 years or whatever the commitment is.

If you want to cut down on the frequency of these cancellations (yes, I realize many customers are flaky and just change for no good reason, but that isn't all of them) then no more sleight of hand while playing fast and loose with the facts.

It may be time for a full disclosure form like the banks have to give with their credit card offers......

FULLY list all fees, and list all currently carried channels by all MSPs and check off the channels and packages they do have access to, and those they don't. Fully list all fees, especially those that just about everyone has to pay (receiver fees, DVR fees, etc.). List all the gotchas that can inhibit the signal to set up reasonable expectations, so the customer goes into things eyes open.

Oh, and allow an escape clause if E* chooses to turn off channels. If they get into a pi$$ing contest with Viacom, customers should have a right to bail on E* as well. E* may have the right to change channel offerings at their whim, but then customers should have the right to tell them to take their dish and shove it someplace uncomfortable.

Will, this happen? I doubt it. But you can't whine about the Feds stepping in since they created the mess by playing it cute, and then hiding behind a commitment when the customer got disgruntled.

BobMurdoch

Jul 16, 2008

Spatch said:
You need to read a contract before you sign it! You in your mind may have signed a contract for voom, but in reality you signed a contract for Dish. The contract states that dish may remove programing at anytime.

They should post this contract on their website. Shoving it in front of the face of a consumer to sign, when he/she has probably already been kept waiting hours longer than he expected is disingenuous.

How many of you installers would enjoy a customer who said "just give me 20 minutes so I can go and review this contract"...?

You'd freak and complain that you were behind schedule and had to go.....

WhiteTiger1

Jul 16, 2008

I agree 100%

lern4483

Jul 16, 2008

BobMurdoch said:
They should post this contract on their website. Shoving it in front of the face of a consumer to sign, when he/she has probably already been kept waiting hours longer than he expected is disingenuous.

How many of you installers would enjoy a customer who said "just give me 20 minutes so I can go and review this contract"...?

You'd freak and complain that you were behind schedule and had to go.....

Well put.

White Tiger, Im in a similar boat. I signed with dish solely for Voom.
Just before they dropped those channels I upgraded to the 722s, two of them.
I did this solely because I noticed that voom was increasing their programming. I got excited.

Before that I had my 622 and I was long out of contract.

So, I signed a new 2 year contact to upgrade to the 722s. Literaly the same day my favorite channels went dark.

I was lucky, I spoke to the right person and they took me out of my 2 year contract.

I still have dish solely for their dvr and thats it.
I have direc and basicaly they are the same.

ill stay put but for how long im not sure.
But it is known Im very unhappy with what dish has done.

MikeD-C05

Jul 18, 2008

I am not happy with DIRECTV and their cancellation fees. They already charge you 99.00- 199.00 for an hd /hd dvr to just LEASE the damn thing. I cancelled early because the csr promised me that the cancellation fee would be around 240.00 . Well guess what? I got charged 420.00. When I called retention department he said there was a mistake and it should only be 380.00 not 420.00 . He didn't seem to care that his csr CArlos had told me the wrong amount and I had his operator id number and everything. This was on 6/15/08 I am still waiting on my 42.50 credit. Now I have been told three different days the credit will come in. Usually the next week after the day I was told last. Today I called retention again and now the new date is 7/28/08. THere should be a law against charging such high prices to lease and cancell. I thought it would be prorated and you could pay by the month but nope, it was all up front. I will never ever do business with DIRECTV again. They rip you off from start to finish, if you can ever get your final credit.

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JSheridan

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Last reply A moment ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Today at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Today at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 3:49 PM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

i wouldn't know

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osu1991

Today at 3:54 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

Doesn't mean that satellite would have to go away. Dish is already in the game with Sling which needs a good overhaul

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JSheridan

Today at 4:16 PM

Dish Anywhere has gotten a lot better but still has no Pause/Play/Skip Trick Play controls on the national channels that stream from Dish and that don't come from you Hopper. DirecTV Stream doesn't have that limitation.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 4:56 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

They keep the satellite service too. But have. Full streaming version of dish. As sling tv sucks eggs.

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Almighty1

A moment ago

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

And the same reason why DISH removing satellite 118 for international channels is a bad idea as at least in my case, TVB Jade World costs $29.99/month and depends on a internet connection for the singal transport to the DISH Hopper 3 + Hopper Plus which makes it unavailable on DISH Anywhere and also I am providing the transport pipe at my own expense when it was supposed to be a dedicated connection between DISH and the DISH equipment.

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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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comfortably_numb

Oct 10, 2026

Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

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Foxbat

Saturday at 11:47 AM

If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.

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comfortably_numb

Saturday at 11:56 AM

Foxbat said:
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!

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harshness

Yesterday at 12:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
medieval chain armor

Aka "mail" or "maille".

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:05 PM

IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:31 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:32 PM

Foxbat said:
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00

. can we say over priced garbage!!!

slow_poke_pete

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vlad_

Last reply Today at 4:10 PM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Thinking of switching to DirecTV

I'm thinking of switching to DirecTV and wanted to know what equipment I should be asking for.

I'm wanting wired satellite due to that fact that I live in the sticks and there is no reliable, decent speed internet for streaming available.

What would be the correct equipment for three 4K tvs in the house?

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navychop

Sep 28, 2026

I'm having trouble with the posit that StarLink is not available. You do not appear to be in an oversubscribed area

Why do you think you can't get StarLink?

vlad_

Sep 29, 2026

navychop said:
I'm having trouble with the posit that StarLink is not available. You do not appear to be in an oversubscribed area

Why do you think you can't get StarLink?

I never said that Starlink is not available. The Starlink app shows obstructions for every category, so I have not researched it further.

slow_poke_pete

Sep 29, 2026

vlad_ said:
I never said that Starlink is not available. The Starlink app shows obstructions for every category, so I have not researched it further.

The HR-54 is the hardwired genie 5 tuners 1TB HDD the HS--17 the 7 tuner 2TB hdd is only a wireless setup now. dtv csr's are crap also

Tom Speer

Sep 29, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
The HR-54 is the hardwired genie 5 tuners 1TB HDD the HS--17 the 7 tuner 2TB hdd is only a wireless setup now. dtv csr's are crap also

If they are requiring all clients on a new HS17 install to be wireless, that is not a technical requirement. It saves their techs from having to pull coax all over the house. It makes installations cheaper.

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Jimbo

Oct 2, 2026

JSheridan said:
The DirecTV order entry work flow doesn't allow wired clients with an HS17. Does that clear it up for you?

Yet the C61k (4k unit) was wired only ?
That was the only unit available for the HS17 if you wanted 4K

How does that work ?

Or do I havwe that flip flopped ?
It's been awhile for me now.

slow_poke_pete

Oct 3, 2026

Jimbo said:
Yet the C61k (4k unit) was wired only ?
That was the only unit available for the HS17 if you wanted 4K

How does that work ?

Or do I havwe that flip flopped ?
It's been awhile for me now.

the hs 17 only gets the wireless geminis no more hardwiring.. i think dtv is trying to ween people offf of the teat satellite

JSheridan

Oct 3, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
the hs 17 only gets the wireless geminis no more hardwiring.. i think dtv is trying to ween people offf of the teat satellite

I think Dish might be the only service that still wires houses. The cable company has gone wireless, Verizon is switching all their copper line customers to wireless, DirecTV Stream, even most surveillance and alarm systems are going wireless.

slow_poke_pete

Oct 4, 2026

JSheridan said:
I think Dish might be the only service that still wires houses. The cable company has gone wireless, Verizon is switching all their copper line customers to wireless, DirecTV Stream, even most surveillance and alarm systems are going wireless.

our hopper and joey 4's are all hard wired

b4pjoe

Oct 5, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
our hopper and joey 4's are all hard wired

So is my 2 Gemini's and my 4 HR24's.

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JSheridan

Oct 5, 2026

b4pjoe said:
So is my 2 Gemini's and my 4 HR24's.

And I'm guessing they've been that way for quite a while. The future of DirecTV is no wires. Actually, the future of DirecTV is probably a merger with Dish, and IMHO if Charlie is smart he'll use the DirecTV brand.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 5, 2026

JSheridan said:
And I'm guessing they've been that way for quite a while. The future of DirecTV is no wires. Actually, the future of DirecTV is probably a merger with Dish, and IMHO if Charlie is smart he'll use the DirecTV brand.

why not just do a rebranding of the two :what

JSheridan

Oct 5, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
why not just do a rebranding of the two

As they pivot away from using dishes and more toward streaming, the DirecTV brand would make much more sense.

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b4pjoe

Oct 5, 2026

JSheridan said:
And I'm guessing they've been that way for quite a while. The future of DirecTV is no wires. Actually, the future of DirecTV is probably a merger with Dish, and IMHO if Charlie is smart he'll use the DirecTV brand.

Yes mine was wired years ago. However you can still order satellite service with wired receivers on the DIRECTV website. I guess you cannot if you call to order the service.

Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

I would take an HR54 over a HS17 ANY day of the week ... The HR54 Looks like a recvr, works in your set up fine ...
The HS17 is a large triangle that looks stupid in your equipment, often they try to Hie in behind something ... just a poor design over all.

If you got an HS17 they Forced you to give up you Stand alone Recvrs ... just a poor idea ...
I had my HR54 to the end, along with my HR24's ...

At least I could still enjoy D* when traveling in the Motor home when I kept the HR54 set up at home, as well as at the lake.

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Nominal

Oct 6, 2026

Jimbo said:
I would take an HR54 over a HS17 ANY day of the week ... The HR54 Looks like a recvr, works inn tour set up fine ...
The HS17 is a large triangle that looks stupid in your equipment, often they try to Hie in behind something ... just a poor design over all.

It's not a poor design when you factor in that it has a Wireless Video Bridge built-in. It's shaped like a router or gateway for a reason.

JSheridan

Oct 6, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Yes mine was wired years ago. However you can still order satellite service with wired receivers on the DIRECTV website. I guess you cannot if you call to order the service.

We're a DirecTV retailer and there is no where in the order entry flow to have wired clients with an HS17. I heard that when it's ordered on the website the installer shows up with only HS17's and wireless clients. I don't know how reliable that info is as it came from a dubious source but it makes sense.

b4pjoe

Oct 6, 2026

JSheridan said:
We're a DirecTV retailer and there is no where in the order entry flow to have wired clients with an HS17. I heard that when it's ordered on the website the installer shows up with only HS17's and wireless clients. I don't know how reliable that info is as it came from a dubious source but it makes sense.

Yeah that would not surprise me but they do have the option on the website for wired installs. I would guess when they show up with wireless clients most people won't object. I would but a lot of people probably would not.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 7, 2026

Nominal said:
It's not a poor design when you factor in that it has a Wireless Video Bridge built-in. It's shaped like a router or gateway for a reason.

i do agree with jimbo on wanting to hide the HS-17 :biggrin

been there

slow_poke_pete

Oct 7, 2026

JSheridan said:
As they pivot away from using dishes and more toward streaming, the DirecTV brand would make much more sense.

agree to a certain point!!! is charlies pockets gonna get tight and will he cancel channels because he don't want to pay for them??? a hopper 3 on dtv channel lineup would be amazing and every mans dream come true lol :what

robjlevin

Oct 7, 2026

Jimbo said:
I would take an HR54 over a HS17 ANY day of the week ... The HR54 Looks like a recvr, works in your set up fine ...
The HS17 is a large triangle that looks stupid in your equipment, often they try to Hie in behind something ... just a poor design over all.

If you got an HS17 they Forced you to give up you Stand alone Recvrs ... just a poor idea ...
I had my HR54 to the end, along with my HR24's ...

At least I could still enjoy D* when traveling in the Motor home when I kept the HR54 set up at home, as well as at the lake.

Well, different strokes and all that. I've had that HS17 sitting quietly doing its job for almost a decade. As I mentioned earlier, at one point I had two wired and two wireless receivers. Now, just one C61K.

Even before that I had a HR44 with an HR24 and two wireless minis. Back then, which was years ago, I would have agreed with the need for individual receivers, but at this point, I stream almost everything, including shows I used to record.

It'll be moot soon enough anyway. Wired receivers/DVRs are going the way of the POTS landline. You can't stop progress.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 4:10 PM

Tom Speer said:
If they are requiring all clients on a new HS17 install to be wireless, that is not a technical requirement. It saves their techs from having to pull coax all over the house. It makes installations cheaper.

they still won't do it if there's coax from dish in the home!!

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Comptech

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Base antenna for SiriousXM

Squirrels have eaten my antenna wire on my home unit that is a car radio running of the 12 volt side of my solar system. I need a new antenna and would like to add something to one of my existing masts. The reason I am looking at this that I am also covered in trees which has not been a problem, but something mast mounted would future proof me. Thanks in advance.

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cp2k

Jul 5, 2026

The Pixel Radio Pro-500 and Pro-600 are the best home antennas for that type of setup. I sent you a PM, as I actually have one I was planning to list in the Classifieds when this heat wave subsides in the South.

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Jul 6, 2026

cpalmer2k said:
The Pixel Radio Pro-500 and Pro-600 are the best home antennas for that type of setup. I sent you a PM, as I actually have one I was planning to list in the Classifieds when this heat wave subsides in the South.

We have the pro-500 and it's a beast pulling in the signal!!! always full bars no matter how much it rains. it's worth every penny

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Jul 6, 2026

comfortably_numb said:
I am a animal lover, but this year I gave up gardening. Even moved it to potted plants on the second story deck last year. Can't tell you how much use my Ruger 10-22 got, but it was a losing battle for me. Never got any food. So now they eat coax instead! 20 acres of dense woods behind me and my stuff tastes better, either veggies or wires!

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Comptech

Jul 7, 2026

Last year they ate through my times microwave LMR400 for my CB! had to cut it back and put male and female connectors on it. So much for having a pristine run of LMR400.

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Arctic_fox

Jul 16, 2026

i might think about running cables through some conduit to prevent the Squirrels from chewing em all to hell

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 4:07 PM

these are good for travel

osu1991

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Last reply Today at 3:37 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Walter Koenig, Chekov on Original ‘Star Trek,’ Dies at 90

Walter Koenig, Chekov on Original ‘Star Trek,’ Dies at 90

Walter Koenig, who memorably played Chekov in the original "Star Trek" series and seven "Star Trek" feature films, died Sunday in Los Angeles.

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Bobby

Today at 2:03 PM

Rest in peace. Together again with Spock, Doc, Uhura, and Scotty...

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:32 PM

Rest in peace, Checkov, and Bester too...

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FTA4PA

Today at 3:37 PM

Rest In Peace

Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 3:30 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Today at 1:27 PM

The playoff told us rankings are pointless. Lesser ranked teams were winning playoff games. Ranking the top 24? Rank it the same way as normal. It'll consist of at least four or five of each cartel's teams, other conference winners. The field will be fine, the sorting will be problematic and arbitrary, but in the end does it matter?

It'll matter when OSU or Alabama have to face a decent upstart squad due to being ranked midway in the listing, or goodness help us, each other. But thanks to arbitrary rankings, that should be easily avoided by design. Then the cartels will need to fix the rankings a bit so the top dogs can have a bye or three to help prevent those untimely eliminations from the playoff.

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osu1991

Today at 1:32 PM

For better or worse, NIL and the transfer portal have evened the field. NCAA will be pretty much like the NFL with records being kind of meaningless and anyone can make a run and win it all.

Jimbo

Today at 2:16 PM

Yespage said:
The playoff told us rankings are pointless. Lesser ranked teams were winning playoff games. Ranking the top 24? Rank it the same way as normal. It'll consist of at least four or five of each cartel's teams, other conference winners. The field will be fine, the sorting will be problematic and arbitrary, but in the end does it matter?

It'll matter when OSU or Alabama have to face a decent upstart squad due to being ranked midway in the listing, or goodness help us, each other. But thanks to arbitrary rankings, that should be easily avoided by design. Then the cartels will need to fix the rankings a bit so the top dogs can have a bye or three to help prevent those untimely eliminations from the playoff.

As for meeting each other, you say they automatically avoid ... not really, if I recall, when Ohio State won in 2 years ago, they had the toughest route to win it all .... they played Tennessee, then it was the #1 team Oregon, in round 2 then Texas in round 3 then Notre Dame in the Finals .... thats hardly avoiding the tough match ups.

Personally, I don't want to see 42- 10 blowouts in the first 2 rounds ....

Not sure where you found lesser teams beating higher ranked teams ... (outside of the Top teams, which any could beat each other (1-8).

Which in my opinion is where the Playoffs should be teams 1-8 .
Team number 64 has ZERO chance to win 4-5 games against top teams.

Btw, whens the last time a (in basketball) 32-64 ranked team WON it all, or even got to the Final 2 ?????

I'll wait.

Yespage

Today at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Ronnie-

Today at 3:26 PM

I see alot saying nobody is good because several have a loss or two. I disagree. I think more teams are good now, and even.

Its made for some more competitive games imo.

Ronnie-

Today at 3:30 PM

osu1991 said:
For better or worse, NIL and the transfer portal have evened the field. NCAA will be pretty much like the NFL with records being kind of meaningless and anyone can make a run and win it all.

The NIL and tranfer portal definitely need some work, or guidelines, but it has evened stuff out somewhat.

Even the expanded playoff. While it does make a single regular season game less relevant in the overall picture, its added a different level of interest imo. Losing a game, or two even, doesnt mean your season is over. The teams still have ALOT to play for.

I am not as against this (as a whole that still needs tweaking) as I thought I would be. More competitive football, I think that is a good thing.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 3:30 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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dishstaller

Today at 12:33 PM

Long Hot Summer - Keith Urban

gms49ers

Today at 12:44 PM

Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress) - The Hollies

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sdfntx

Today at 2:09 PM

Cool Jerk - The Mindbenders

dishstaller

Today at 2:53 PM

Cool Change - Little River Band

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:30 PM

Change Of The Guard - Steely Dan

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 2:53 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Oct 10, 2026

Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.

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dfergie

Oct 12, 2026

TRG said:
Fanta orange soda.

Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)

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Mr Tony

Oct 19, 2026

Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles.

(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)

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TRG

Oct 19, 2026

Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.

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dfergie

Oct 19, 2026

Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)

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TRG

Today at 2:53 PM

Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.

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