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Users dragged into Echostar, Freetech row
p2pnet news view TV | Freedom:- "Innocent customers should not be dragged into federal litigation just because they bought a product that other, less scrupulous purchasers may be hacking for unlawful purposes."
That's the EFF's (Electronic Frontier Foundation) Fred von Lohmann on the foundation's efforts to have attempts by Echostar to get the names and addresses of every customer that purchased a free-to-air satellite receiver rejected.
The demand came up in a lawsuit between Echostar, the company behind the DISH satellite TV service, and Freetech, the manufacturer of Coolsat free-to-air satellite receivers.
"As part of the suit, Echostar subpoenaed 17 distributors of Coolsat receivers, demanding the names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, and other information of every person who purchased a Coolsat receiver over the last five years," says the EFF, which has submitted an amicus brief submitted to a federal court.
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p2pnet news view TV | Freedom:- "Innocent customers should not be dragged into federal litigation just because they bought a product that other, less scrupulous purchasers may be hacking for unlawful purposes."
That's the EFF's (Electronic Frontier Foundation) Fred von Lohmann on the foundation's efforts to have attempts by Echostar to get the names and addresses of every customer that purchased a free-to-air satellite receiver rejected.
The demand came up in a lawsuit between Echostar, the company behind the DISH satellite TV service, and Freetech, the manufacturer of Coolsat free-to-air satellite receivers.
"As part of the suit, Echostar subpoenaed 17 distributors of Coolsat receivers, demanding the names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, and other information of every person who purchased a Coolsat receiver over the last five years," says the EFF, which has submitted an amicus brief submitted to a federal court.
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16772
Read the rest at http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16772
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I will be honest, I have a coolsat 5000... it s currently on the shelf in my closet as it would not move the motor correctly on my dish.
Never loaded anything on it, still factory default.
Does owning a legal satellite recever make me a criminal?
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Hell if they are going to go after everyone who has a free to air box, then the should go after everyone who has electricity as well, because you need power to power the FTA box and satellite dish that would then make it possible for you to hack Dish Networks signal.
Lets not forget that Echostar is one of the largest maker and sellers of FTA receivers in Europe. And those receivers are used all over Europe to steal signals. (or so I am told)
Hello Mr Pot... meet Mr Kettle!
If Dish just worked on FIXING their encryption problem instead of trying to go after folks with LEGAL FTA equipment, then there would not be an issue with people owning legal FTA boxes.
I dont know about you but I am getting sick of big corporations using our government as a collection agency for their own faults.
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Never loaded anything on it, still factory default.
Does owning a legal satellite recever make me a criminal?
*** RANT MODE ON ***
Hell if they are going to go after everyone who has a free to air box, then the should go after everyone who has electricity as well, because you need power to power the FTA box and satellite dish that would then make it possible for you to hack Dish Networks signal.
Lets not forget that Echostar is one of the largest maker and sellers of FTA receivers in Europe. And those receivers are used all over Europe to steal signals. (or so I am told)
Hello Mr Pot... meet Mr Kettle!
If Dish just worked on FIXING their encryption problem instead of trying to go after folks with LEGAL FTA equipment, then there would not be an issue with people owning legal FTA boxes.
I dont know about you but I am getting sick of big corporations using our government as a collection agency for their own faults.
*** Rant mode off.
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Iceberg, we did discuss the idea a while ago - re-flashing the Cool/Pan/etc sats is matter of 5 minutes and no one could tell you it was illegal receiver 10 min ago. 
I will be honest, I have a coolsat 5000... it s currently on the shelf in my closet as it would not move the motor correctly on my dish.
Never loaded anything on it, still factory default.
Does owning a legal satellite recever make me a criminal?
*** RANT MODE ON ***
Hell if they are going to go after everyone who has a free to air box, then the should go after everyone who has electricity as well, because you need power to power the FTA box and satellite dish that would then make it possible for you to hack Dish Networks signal.
Lets not forget that Echostar is one of the largest maker and sellers of FTA receivers in Europe. And those receivers are used all over Europe to steal signals. (or so I am told)
Hello Mr Pot... meet Mr Kettle!
If Dish just worked on FIXING their encryption problem instead of trying to go after folks with LEGAL FTA equipment, then there would not be an issue with people owning legal FTA boxes.
I dont know about you but I am getting sick of big corporations using our government as a collection agency for their own faults.
*** Rant mode off.
not to mention how our tax money is going to waste over these stupid lawsuits!
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oh there are ways. Getting numerous boxes off Ebay with (as the auction says) "the most recent factory firmware" only to turn the box on and see the 1st 4 sats all Dish or Bell and all channels logged in as Dish...in numerical order
oh, and flashing it back to "legal" status doesnt remove the channels or settings
Iceberg, we did discuss the idea a while ago - re-flashing the Cool/Pan/etc sats is matter of 5 minutes and no one could tell you it was illegal receiver 10 min ago.
oh there are ways. Getting numerous boxes off Ebay with (as the auction says) "the most recent factory firmware" only to turn the box on and see the 1st 4 sats all Dish or Bell and all channels logged in as Dish...in numerical order
oh, and flashing it back to "legal" status doesnt remove the channels or settings
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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