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1080p Switching through Receiver

Suffice to say I have a TV and Receiver that support 1080p...does anyone have the problem where switching the 1080p through the receiver doesn't work, but going direct to the TV does? Even if its forced (ala just saying "Yes, I would still like to purchase even though the 1080p test fails).

Receiver is a Denon AVR-888 and TV is Samsung LNT4661.

Yes, yes, yes...1080p is supported on both (receiver and TV) and DOES work when going direct.
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harshness
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InstigatorX said:
Yes, yes, yes...1080p is supported on both (receiver and TV) and DOES work when going direct.
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If the Denon can't positively identify the Samsung TV a 1080p terminal device, it must report back to the DVR that the TV isn't capable.

Given the rather large number of HDMI issues with Samsung displays, it is ill-advised to summarily pin the problem on Denon.
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E*Dude
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He, he. I love the finger pointing, even though no one really knows what device is causing the issue.

I've done custom installs for many years and have seen this many times since the introduction of HDCP. Regardless of what devices are in the system, whether it be sat receivers, cable boxes, blu-ray or whatever, adding a third HDMI device (receiver, switcher, etc) to the chain is problematic 70% of the time.

What generally has cured issues like these in the past with my clients is the power-up sequence. If you power-up all source devices first (Sat receiver, DVD player, X-box), then power-up the monitor / TV and give it approximately 15 seconds so it can begin querying HDMI sources, THEN power-up your RECEIVER LAST and you might have better success.

I can't say that'll work for everyone, but it has saved me many times. Please let me know success / failures using this technique.
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InstigatorX said:
Suffice to say I have a TV and Receiver that support 1080p...does anyone have the problem where switching the 1080p through the receiver doesn't work, but going direct to the TV does? Even if its forced (ala just saying "Yes, I would still like to purchase even though the 1080p test fails).

Receiver is a Denon AVR-888 and TV is Samsung LNT4661.

Yes, yes, yes...1080p is supported on both (receiver and TV) and DOES work when going direct.
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HDMI/HDCP being what it is, passing the signal through the A/V receiver increases the handshake time. In some cases, the time it takes to get a picture doubles! I can't believe it takes a data link capable of 3 Gb/s 3-6 seconds per device to sync up but it's true.

I suspect what's happening is the Dish receiver gives up before the connection stabilizes.

You can probably respond OK blindly if you know what the dialog box looks like and what the default button is. E.g., if the buttons are YES, CANCEL, NO like most and the default is CANCEL, press the left arrow then SELECT even before you see a picture!

BTW, there's little difference between 1080p24 and 1080i if your TV does a good job detecting 3:2 pulldown. 1080i provides at least two fields for ever film frame so the entire 24 FPS frame can be reconstructed for display. This reconstruction relies on the TV's ability to detect motion between film frames and this can sometimes fail. 1080p24 eliminates the need to reconstruct the film frame since it's sent at film frame rate not video rate. The TV then needs to insert it's own 3:2 pulldown sequence for display (unless the TV can run the display at 72 HZ or 120 Hz).
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harshness said:
If the Denon can't positively identify the Samsung TV a 1080p terminal device, it must report back to the DVR that the TV isn't capable.

Given the rather large number of HDMI issues with Samsung displays, it is ill-advised to summarily pin the problem on Denon.
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I have the same samsung as the original poster and a Onyko 605 and it works fine, so don't blame the TV...
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kwindrem said:
You can probably respond OK blindly if you know what the dialog box looks like and what the default button is. E.g., if the buttons are YES, CANCEL, NO like most and the default is CANCEL, press the left arrow then SELECT even before you see a picture!
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You don't have to do that, just press left or right arrow to reset the timeout every few seconds to give your equipment more time to sync to the 1080p rent confirmation message.
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kwindrem said:
HDMI/HDCP being what it is, passing the signal through the A/V receiver increases the handshake time. In some cases, the time it takes to get a picture doubles! I can't believe it takes a data link capable of 3 Gb/s 3-6 seconds per device to sync up but it's true.
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DishSatUser
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Problem is, some receivers don't do just a straight "switching" of the HDMI signals. Instead they'll do internal processing as well.

A large number of the home theater magazines that review the equipment include a chart of the features supported, how well the feature functions (Pass or Fail) and it's amazing how many of the really expensive gear still "fail" some of the video processing features.

As 1080P is a newer specification, and some home theater equipment makers are still having problems with the original specifications, it doesn't suprise me you encounter difficulties.

I do see that the Denon is well reviewed at Home Theater: Denon AVR-888 A/V Receiver

The reviewer does use "Pure Direct mode" instead that has the original source passed through with no processing. Have you tried that mode with your ViP DVR?
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E*Dude said:
I've done custom installs for many years and have seen this many times since the introduction of HDCP. Regardless of what devices are in the system, whether it be sat receivers, cable boxes, blu-ray or whatever, adding a third HDMI device (receiver, switcher, etc) to the chain is problematic 70% of the time.

What generally has cured issues like these in the past with my clients is the power-up sequence. If you power-up all source devices first (Sat receiver, DVD player, X-box), then power-up the monitor / TV and give it approximately 15 seconds so it can begin querying HDMI sources, THEN power-up your RECEIVER LAST and you might have better success.

I can't say that'll work for everyone, but it has saved me many times. Please let me know success / failures using this technique.
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That's almost good advice. However, it's been my experience that one should power up the TV/display/monitor FIRST, then the source devices. Quite a few upconverting players will default to 480p if they power-on before the display. (Granted with an inactive receiver in the middle, they might not see each other. I would power on the display, the receiver, then the source devices.)
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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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