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Last reply Dec 16, 2008 · posted in The Dish Network Uplink Center (archive)

Uplink Activity Report - 12/10/2008 12:42pm - 110 changes

SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 12/10/2008 12:42pm - 110 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 12/10/2008 12:17P - 12/10/2008 12:42P

Channel Additions:
267 - CTN [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
7082(49) - WBME [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (NA)
7172(18) - WMAV [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Oxford, MS)
7174(14) - WTWV [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Memphis, TN)
7487(16) - WJWJ [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Carolinas beam (NA)(Beaufort, SC)
7665(44) - KLUJ [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Harlingen, TX)
7816(12) - KETZ [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 15(LA,AR) (NA)(El Dorado, AR)
8241(38) - KCNS [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Francisco, CA)
8386(14) - KETH [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 16(SE TX) (NA)(Houston, TX)
8481(23) - KHCE [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 22(TX) (NA)(San Antonio, TX)
8547(20) - KTMW [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 34(UT) (NA)(Salt Lake City, UT)
8761(30) - WRAY [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Wilson, NC)
8786(62) - WMFP [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam (NA)(Lawrence, MA)
8846(63) - WBEC [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 03 South Florida beam (NA)
8875(21) - WTCE [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 01 South Florida beam (NA)(Fort Pierce, FL)
9059(59) - WJEB [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 03(FL,GA) (NA)(Jacksonville, FL)
9300(26) - WYLE [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 11(AL,MS) (NA)(Florence, AL)
9399 - CTN [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)
15303 - WGTV2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 07 Carolinas beam (NA)(Athens, GA)
15304 - WGTV3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 07 Carolinas beam (NA)(Athens, GA)
15305 - WLVI2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Cambridge, MA)
15306 - WMYT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 06 (NA)(Rock Hill, SC)
15307 - WCIU4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Chicago, IL)
15308 - WMAQ3 [EPG] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 22 ConUS beam (NA)(Chicago, IL)
15309 - WPBY2 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Huntington, WV)
15310 - WNPB2 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Morgantown, WV)
15311 - WACH2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 07 Carolinas beam (NA)(Columbia, SC)
15312 - WTTE2 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 21 ConUS beam (NA)(Columbus, OH)
15313 - KXAS3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 21 (NA)(Fort Worth, TX)
15314 - KRMA2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 30(CO) (NA)(Denver, CO)
15315 - KPXC2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 30(CO) (NA)(Denver, CO)
15316 - KPXC3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 30(CO) (NA)(Denver, CO)
15317 - KPXC4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 30(CO) (NA)(Denver, CO)
15318 - KWGN2 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 20 ConUS beam (NA)(Denver, CO)
15319 - WFIE3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Evansville, IN)
15320 - KAIL4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Fresno, CA)
15321 - KMPH2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Merced-mariposa, CA)
15322 - KGMC2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Clovis, CA)
15323 - KGMC3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Clovis, CA)
15324 - KGMC4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Clovis, CA)
15325 - KGMC5 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Clovis, CA)
15326 - KJCT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 34(UT) (NA)(Grand Junction, CO)
15327 - WMYV2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Greensboro, NC)
15328 - WUNL2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Winston-salem, NC)
15329 - WUNL3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Winston-salem, NC)
15330 - WUNL4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Winston-salem, NC)
15331 - WUNL5 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 05(NC,VA,SC,DC,MD) (NA)(Winston-salem, NC)
15332 - KNVO4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Mcallen, TX)
15333 - KMBH2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Harlingen, TX)
15334 - KMBH3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (NA)(Harlingen, TX)
15337 - WVIT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(New Britain, CT)
15338 - WCWJ2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 03(FL,GA) (NA)(Jacksonville, FL)
15339 - KMBC3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Kansas City, MO)
15340 - KVBC3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 38(NV) (NA)(Las Vegas, NV)
15341 - WDKY2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 10(TN,KY,OH) (NA)(Danville, KY)
15342 - KCBD3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 26 (NA)(Lubbock, TX)
15343 - WMVT3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Milwaukee, WI)
15344 - WMVT4 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Milwaukee, WI)
15345 - WMVT5 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Milwaukee, WI)
15346 - WMVT6 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Milwaukee, WI)
15347 - WMVT7 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Midwest beam (NA)(Milwaukee, WI)
15348 - KUFM1 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 37 (NA)(Missoula, MT)
15349 - WZTV2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 10(TN,KY,OH) (NA)(Nashville, TN)
15350 - WYES3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 12(LA) (NA)(New Orleans, LA)
15351 - KBIN3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Council Bluffs, IA)
15352 - WKPD2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Paducah, KY)
15353 - WKPD3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Paducah, KY)
15354 - WKPD4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Paducah, KY)
15355 - WKPD5 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Paducah, KY)
15356 - WKPD6 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (NA)(Paducah, KY)
15357 - WYZZ2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Bloomington, IL)
15358 - WNJS2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Camden, NJ)
15359 - WPHL2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 04(MA,VT,PA,NY) (NA)(Philadelphia, PA)
15360 - KAZT2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 35(AZ) (NA)(Phoenix, AZ)
15361 - KRCW2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 44 (NA)(Salem, OR)
15362 - WUNC4 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Carolinas beam (NA)(Chapel Hill, NC)
15363 - WUNC5 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Carolinas beam (NA)(Chapel Hill, NC)
15364 - WUHF2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 09 (NA)(Rochester, NY)
15365 - KSMQ3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 18 Spotbeam 24(KS,MN,IA,OH,NE) (NA)(Austin, MN)
15366 - KMTP2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Francisco, CA)
15367 - KMTP4 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Francisco, CA)
15368 - KNTV3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 26 Spotbeam 43(CA) (NA)(San Jose, CA)
15369 - KMEG2 [EPG] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 05 ConUS beam (NA)(Sioux City, IA)
15370 - KOLD3 [EPG] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 Arizona beam (NA)(Tucson, AZ)
15371 - KMYT2 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 20(OK,MO,AR) (NA)(Tulsa, OK)
15372 - WWAY3 [EPG] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 02(NC,SC,VA) (NA)(Wilmington, NC)

Channel Removals:
14177 - WHLA4 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (La Crosse, WI)
14178 - WHLA5 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (La Crosse, WI)
14181 - WKNO3 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 14(KY,IN) (Memphis, TN)
14188 - WMVS3 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Milwaukee, WI)
14189 - WMVS4 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Milwaukee, WI)
14260 - WPNE4 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (Green Bay, WI)
14549 - WHRM4 (NA) removed from EchoStar5 129W TP 16 ConUS beam(Wausau, WI)
14559 - WHRM5 (NA) removed from EchoStar5 129W TP 16 ConUS beam(Wausau, WI)
14640 - WPNE5 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 23 Spotbeam 23(IA,WI) (Green Bay, WI)
14727 - KNVO1 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 17 (Mcallen, TX)
14782 - WMVS5 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Milwaukee, WI)
14783 - WMVS6 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Milwaukee, WI)
14784 - WMVS7 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Milwaukee, WI)
14916 - WPBN2 (NA) removed from EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 18(WI,MI) (Traverse City, MI)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
211 - NOTAX [MPEG4 SD] - EchoStar8 77W TP 12 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
267 - CTN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)
617 - ZCINE [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 01 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
617 - ZCINE [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 12 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
790 - ZCINE [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 27 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
6503(8) - KTUL [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 01 Central Plains beam changed to Available (H)(Tulsa, OK)
6504(6) - KOTV [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 01 Central Plains beam changed to Available (H)(Tulsa, OK)
6505(2) - KJRH [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar7 119W TP 01 Central Plains beam changed to Available (H)(Tulsa, OK)
9399 - CTN [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam changed to Available (H)

Channel Type Changes:
9901 - D129 EchoStar5 129W TP 17 ConUS beam changed from FTA to MPEG2 SD (A)

Channels in the system: 5898
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers

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kstuart

Dec 13, 2008

Sorry, I could have been a little clearer by adding the word "only":

The word "political" does not ONLY mean "about Republicans and Democrats", it means "about the affairs of state" or more simply, about people influencing each other to obtain control.

thereby meaning that just because you are not talking within the context of an election, does not mean that the conversation is not "political".

For example, all statements by all government officials and all media pundits about the so-called "bailouts", are "political".

One might note that the Senator for the state containing the Toyota plant was seen frequently on TV, giving all sorts of ideological reasons not to loan money to GM/Ford/Chrysler, but his state did not apply any of that analogy to the billions of breaks they gave Toyota with taxpayer money.

That is "politics".

PS The "people used to be ethical and moral, and now they are not" concept is something that I have heard you apply to situations a couple of times before - not constantly - maybe every year or so, you get outraged ( quite rightfully ) about someone's bad behavior, and then state that things are getting worse in that respect. In reality, our age of the Internet and 24-hour News Channels brings every pimple into view, and the sort of people who got away with selling Senate seats in the 1950's, would nowadays end up more in the spotlight...

waltinvt

Dec 14, 2008

kstuart said:
Sorry, I could have been a little clearer by adding the word "only":

thereby meaning that just because you are not talking within the context of an election, does not mean that the conversation is not "political".

Ok, that I agree with.

kstuart said:
For example, all statements by all government officials and all media pundits about the so-called "bailouts", are "political".

But that I don't agree with. While the odds today are more highly in favor of it being politically motivated, it isn't always, which is why morally and ethically motivated statements can get overlooked or misconstrued.

Then there's the other side of the coin when a person or entity that has been labeled morally or ethically controversial by some takes a position that IS morally or ethically motivated but it gets cast aside as political. A good example may be Ford, which has clearly taken a favorable position on homosexuality, yet announces regarding the bailout that it might not need government funds and will attempt to forgo them.

The important thing and the point I'm trying to make is that seeing the objective truth in any given act or statement has become more difficult for many because the traditionally accepted guidelines used to quantify the state of anything have become so subjectively corrupt by political correctness that anyone can make a case for anything and the masses can't discern the difference.

I'm not saying (or at least not intending to) that people are worse but that their ability to see objectively and judge responsibly is worse.

kstuart said:
One might note that the Senator for the state containing the Toyota plant was seen frequently on TV, giving all sorts of ideological reasons not to loan money to GM/Ford/Chrysler, but his state did not apply any of that analogy to the billions of breaks they gave Toyota with taxpayer money.

That is "politics".

I don't think we have an argument there, although I don't know the specifics of the situation you speak nor even the state(s) involved.

kstuart said:
PS The "people used to be ethical and moral, and now they are not" concept is something that I have heard you apply to situations a couple of times before - not constantly - maybe every year or so, you get outraged ( quite rightfully ) about someone's bad behavior, and then state that things are getting worse in that respect. In reality, our age of the Internet and 24-hour News Channels brings every pimple into view, and the sort of people who got away with selling Senate seats in the 1950's, would nowadays end up more in the spotlight...

While I can't dispute that corruption in politics is far from a new concept - Chicago being a convenient current example - I'll stick to my position that the state of moral and ethically inspired accountability and responsibility today is vastly worse than even a generation ago but I'm not sure that I've been all that out-spoken about it in the general forums here. Possibly more so recently since we no longer have anyplace dedicated to such topics but not to the extent you claim. In any event you're correct. I do believe things are worse - much worse and not likely to get better anytime soon. Your attempt to dissuade, at least me of that, is far from convincing.

kstuart

Dec 14, 2008

waltinvt said:
The important thing and the point I'm trying to make is that seeing the objective truth in any given act or statement has become more difficult for many because the traditionally accepted guidelines used to quantify the state of anything have become so subjectively corrupt by political correctness that anyone can make a case for anything and the masses can't discern the difference.

I think this is where we disagree.

The most fundamental aspect of human society is:

Those who don't know the answer to a question, also do not know which proposed answer is correct.

Example :

You are walking in a business district, and you realize that you have an appointment at 2 pm, but you forgot your watch. Two men are about to pass you, and you ask for the time. One looks at his watch and says " 1:50 pm " and the other looks at his and says " 2:05 pm ". Are you late ? Which is correct ?

You might guess that the man with the expensive suit and expensive watch might have the more accurate time, but on the other hand, my wife's expensive dress watch is always wrong, while I have had $10 watches that are within a second.

In society, it is not unusual for people to believe the "fanciest" person. A recent study showed that only 25% of the recommendations made by medical doctors have any basis in science whatsoever.

I think that confusing "traditionally accepted guidelines" and "objective truth" is dangerous (as well as unfounded). Traditionally accepted guidelines are arbitrary conventions designed to make social interaction go more smoothly. We drive on the right side of the road, and then everyone knows where to drive to avoid crashing into everyone else. But there is no "objective truth" to that. People are not "evil" in the England because they drive on the left side of the road.

waltinvt

Dec 15, 2008

kstuart said:
I think this is where we disagree.

The most fundamental aspect of human society is:

Those who don't know the answer to a question, also do not know which proposed answer is correct.

Example :

You are walking in a business district, and you realize that you have an appointment at 2 pm, but you forgot your watch. Two men are about to pass you, and you ask for the time. One looks at his watch and says " 1:50 pm " and the other looks at his and says " 2:05 pm ". Are you late ? Which is correct ?

You might guess that the man with the expensive suit and expensive watch might have the more accurate time, but on the other hand, my wife's expensive dress watch is always wrong, while I have had $10 watches that are within a second.

In society, it is not unusual for people to believe the "fanciest" person. A recent study showed that only 25% of the recommendations made by medical doctors have any basis in science whatsoever.

I think that confusing "traditionally accepted guidelines" and "objective truth" is dangerous (as well as unfounded). Traditionally accepted guidelines are arbitrary conventions designed to make social interaction go more smoothly. We drive on the right side of the road, and then everyone knows where to drive to avoid crashing into everyone else. But there is no "objective truth" to that. People are not "evil" in the England because they drive on the left side of the road.

First off, where are you getting this "good-evil" label business? I haven't used it in the context of this discussion and certainly don't profess or think that just because someone has lost the ability to think objectively, they are somehow evil, anymore than one who applies objective reasoning is necessarily "good". Besides, the whole concept of good & evil is far beyond the scope of this discussion and would undoubtedly unleash the wrath of hungry mods upon us.

Some of what you're saying is actually making my point for me and I couldn't agree more that confusing and accepting traditionally accepted guidelines at the expense of ignoring objective reasoning would indeed be dangerous.

Contrary to what you assumed "I" might do in your above analogy, I submit that the objective truth is that the correct time is whatever it actually is and everything else is subjective, especially how the person chooses to interpolate which answer is correct but the correct procedure for a man NOT confusing the two would be to weigh the variance in the answers and if not within acceptable parameters to fill his need (avoid being late), then compare by asking a 3rd person for the time or assume the more constricting answer is correct and act accordingly.

A more profound analogy (one of my favorites because we can see for ourselves the difference and subsequent impact), is when 99.99% of people using the "traditionally accepted guidelines" assumed the world was flat. The objective truth of course was that it was not flat and obviously some of that .01% must have applied what you describe as the more "dangerous" thought process and thus here we are.

kstuart

Dec 15, 2008

waltinvt said:
A more profound analogy (one of my favorites because we can see for ourselves the difference and subsequent impact), is when 99.99% of people using the "traditionally accepted guidelines" assumed the world was flat. The objective truth of course was that it was not flat and obviously some of that .01% must have applied what you describe as the more "dangerous" thought process and thus here we are.

It is a perfect analogy, and where is why.

The idea that "people used to think the earth was flat" started with a 19th Century novel, that was hugely popular at the time. The novel included primitive people who thought the earth was flat.

In actuality, there is no actual evidence that most ancient people thought the earth was flat. We do have surprisingly old maps indicating a curved Earth.

So, the idea that "people used to think the earth was flat" is kind of a thought virus passed from one person to another.

Like the example of the person without a watch, people have no way of knowing the answer - we cannot go back 20,000 years ago - so they believe credible things they are told. ( By the way, your strategy of "asking a third person" is a good one, but there is still the possibility that the two that agree are both wrong. )

Another bigger example is the commonly held beliefs " eating fat is bad for your health " and " eating fat makes you fat ". The actual origin of these ideas is not based in any scientific studies whatsoever. Instead, it came from a 1970's Senate Subcommittee that was trying to come up with dietary guidelines ( for misguided altruistic reasons ), and found itself in the middle of a war between lobbyists from various agricultural industries. Rather than abandoning the idea of the guidelines ( which would have been the correct course of action ), instead they altered the guidelines to please the lobbyists (surprise, surprise), and came up with the "evils of fat".

( By the way, the lack of scientific evidence was discovered by medical researcher Dr. Diana Schwarzbein, and the origin of the "bad fat" concept was revealed by science journalist Gary Taubes in the New York Times Magazine article a few years back called "The Big Fat Lie", and expanded upon in his recent book. )

Despite all this being exposed, people still think that primitives thought the earth was flat, and every media person still talks about "cutiing your fat intake". The flat earth myth is trivial, but the dietary one is certainly not, and trillions of dollars rest on the fact that the media accept whatever the medical establishment tells them, and ignore Taubes' impeccably researched and documented article and book.

waltinvt

Dec 16, 2008

kstuart said:
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The idea that "people used to think the earth was flat" started with a 19th Century novel, that was hugely popular at the time. The novel included primitive people who thought the earth was flat.

In actuality, there is no actual evidence that most ancient people thought the earth was flat. We do have surprisingly old maps indicating a curved Earth.

So, the idea that "people used to think the earth was flat" is kind of a thought virus passed from one person to another.

Perhaps it's more accurate to describe the consensus of the time as a lack of understanding gravity and the belief that one could not travel "around" the world without reaching an "end" or falling off. In either case it must have inhibited world exploration for a period of time.

kstuart said:
Like the example of the person without a watch, people have no way of knowing the answer - we cannot go back 20,000 years ago - so they believe credible things they are told.

Ah, that would explain the current popularity of unproven theories such as evolution & global warming.

kstuart said:
( By the way, your strategy of "asking a third person" is a good one, but there is still the possibility that the two that agree are both wrong. )

True but rarely is there a guarantee - in the end most decisions are based on odds.

kstuart said:
Another bigger example is the commonly held beliefs " eating fat is bad for your health " and " eating fat makes you fat ". The actual origin of these ideas is not based in any scientific studies whatsoever. Instead, it came from a 1970's Senate Subcommittee that was trying to come up with dietary guidelines ( for misguided altruistic reasons ), and found itself in the middle of a war between lobbyists from various agricultural industries. Rather than abandoning the idea of the guidelines ( which would have been the correct course of action ), instead they altered the guidelines to please the lobbyists (surprise, surprise), and came up with the "evils of fat".

No argument here and I believe this is just one small example of the huge hidden cancer that has eaten away at our democratic process for decades.

kstuart said:
( By the way, the lack of scientific evidence was discovered by medical researcher Dr. Diana Schwarzbein, and the origin of the "bad fat" concept was revealed by science journalist Gary Taubes in the New York Times Magazine article a few years back called "The Big Fat Lie", and expanded upon in his recent book. )

How do you know all this stuff?

kstuart said:
Despite all this being exposed, people still think that primitives thought the earth was flat, and every media person still talks about "cutiing your fat intake". The flat earth myth is trivial, but the dietary one is certainly not, and trillions of dollars rest on the fact that the media accept whatever the medical establishment tells them, and ignore Taubes' impeccably researched and documented article and book.

Well whether they thought it was flat or just that it could not circumvented, I guess you're right, as I still think world exploration (and therefore history) was effected to some degree by the common, erroneous belief and that IMO makes it more than "trivial".

Actually, I'm not sure we disagree in concept - historically the masses were often being duped and today is no different except since it's both government and media it's far more difficult to swim against the current.

There are explanations for how and why this is happening but I suspect we're already pushing the tolerance of the powers with this thread and I'm impressed it's been allowed this long. Thank you for a respectful and interesting debate Ken.

JohnH

Dec 16, 2008

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors

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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte

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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks

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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers

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iJustine

Last reply Today at 2:38 AM · posted in iJustine

iPhone Duo Crease?

Time for another AWESOME video from iJustine!

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Direct YouTube Link - iPhone Duo Crease?
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telstar_1

Today at 2:38 AM

It's not even where it folds!

iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

Reading on the iPhone Duo!

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iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

Playing Xbox on the iPhone Duo!

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iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

iPhone Duo Fold Animation

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 12:04 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Yesterday at 2:34 PM

That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:02 PM

Strega said:
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

Almighty1 said:
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

someone is showing their age

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:03 PM

I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord

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navychop

Yesterday at 11:01 PM

AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!

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dishstaller

Today at 12:04 AM

dishstaller said:
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:02 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Country singer John Anderson died today

He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w

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FTA4PA

Yesterday at 10:53 PM

Rest In Peace

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mikew

Yesterday at 11:01 PM

I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:03 PM

Rest in peace.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:04 PM

Hope you're out there Swingin', John.

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dishstaller

Today at 12:02 AM

mikew said:
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.

That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.

niembre

Last reply Yesterday at 11:21 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

OTA no working after Update

My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 24, 2026

Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy.

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bookworm370

Sep 25, 2026

Scott Greczkowski said:
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy.

Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

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slow_poke_pete

Sep 27, 2026

bookworm370 said:
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

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ppappas

Sep 30, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

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Almighty1

Oct 1, 2026

ppappas said:
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.

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Briant73

Yesterday at 9:19 PM

Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 9:48 PM

Briant73 said:
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...ftware-version-713-is-out.423921/post-5108817

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 9:57 PM

Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.

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navychop

Yesterday at 11:21 PM

In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.

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MartyDe

Last reply Yesterday at 10:37 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

ATSC 3 converter boxes

Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.

Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York

Group has secured lower pricing from key tech players to make less costly boxes available

www.tvtechnology.com

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navychop

Tuesday at 12:03 PM

DEATH TO NEXGEN!

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TRG

Tuesday at 12:12 PM

17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.

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navychop

Tuesday at 12:27 PM

Comb your hair.

primestar31

Yesterday at 7:29 PM

navychop said:
DEATH TO NEXGEN!

It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:37 PM

I truly hope you are right.

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