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There is a very interesting thread running in this forum concerning linuxman's project to capture multiple satellites:
I've also been contemplating this for awhile to reduce the competition of our family for the motorized dishes in our farm. With all the choices available, my interest lies in analytically determining a feasible design for a given set of birds/transponders before I pick up the tools in the shop. Rather than hijacking the original thread, I thought it better to start a new one summarizing what I have measured and learned. This is a work in progress as I've found a lot of myths, snake oil and much less hard science than I would like. I will be happy to correct any of my errors that are pointed out.
My first step was to consider what could be done with ordinary parabolic dishes. Parabolic dishes show very little loss (< 1 dB) for a feed off-axis by a few degrees. After that the drop-off accelerates. I didn't find a lot of useful data, but afcsat.com had some info I was able to spot check against a few other scattered points across the web. The agreement was also close for a few measurements I made for a rather unrelated project I am working on for my 3m. I've done a crude data fit and calculated the off-axis gains for several dish sizes in the Ku band. To correlate the relative performance, I've compared several vendors' specs and direct measurements on my dishes. The differences were mostly on the order of 0.5 dB and shouldn't have much effect on the bottom line.
My examples were:
1. 1.8m Fortec prime-focus
2. 1.2m GeoSatPro offset (also compared a Fortec 1.2m)
3. 1m Winegard DS-3100 offset
4. 90cm GeoSatPro (also compared a Fortec 90cm)
5. 76cm Winegard DS-2077 offset
The off-axis gains are plotted on the attachment as five of the six lines. The on-axis gain is that stated by the vendor, and checked for 1,2 and 5 as I have those dishes. The off-axis loss was calculated from my fit to the paucity of data available. The curves are only rough, but I think they are representative out to about 10-15 degrees. Realize that a parabolic antenna can only point focus on-axis. Any off-axis source will exhibit coma, and this will increase as one goes further off-axis. After that the defocussing will become messier and less subject to analysis; I wouldn't be surprised if these curves are on the fairly optimistic side.
In summary the fit predicts the gain will be 3dB down at about 8 degrees off-axis, and 10dB at about 15 degrees. That means even a 1.8m dish would be only be the equivalent of a 76cm dish (on-axis) at around 13 degrees. I didn't find this encouraging because the bulk of the FTA channels we watch are tending towards high SRs, high FECs and DVB-S2 over time. I would like to have enough margin for that.
Toroidal dishes represent an alternative geometry that offers the possibility of a broader arc of possible reception. After reading Iceberg's extended review thread of the Wave Frontier T-90, I located one of these for a reasonable price. I was a bit dubious of WF's claim of 40 degree arcs, so I decided to run a series of detailed tests to find out how it actually performs.
According to WF, the gain of a T-90 is comparable to a 90cm parabolic. This is possible because it has considerably more surface area, but I decided to check it. Trying to measure this within fractions of a dB seemed a bit onerous, but after thinking about it I decided to hold as many variables constant as I could. We're also DN subscribers and I already had several 76cm pointed and peaked at 61.5, 110, 119 and 129. The problem with comparing the T-90 is that as it has two reflective surfaces, circularly polarized signals are flipped compared to a single reflector. I could have used linear for the comparison, but CP signals average better and I wouldn't have to move the 76cm dishes.
My plan was to peak the T-90 on a DN bird, measure several transponders on my spectrum analyzer and then move the LNBF and cable over to a 76cm dish. To factor out any frequency dependent gains/losses, I wanted a LNBF I could quickly convert from normal CP polarity to reverse CP polarity. So I popped a DP dual LNBF apart and proved to my satisfaction that rotating the dielectric plate could give results accurate to 0.5 dB or better as long as I used the same output.
After running the tests, the T-90 measured about 0.7dB gain over the 76cm dishes. That's not amazing, but WF's spec is only 1dB more than Winegard's, so given my measurement errors, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
As it got dark I then ran the LNBF from 0-22.5 degrees offset in steps of 2.5 on the T-90. At each point I skewed the dish to the predicted center and then peaked the elevation and azimuth on the same bird. It would have been nice to repeat the measurements several times and at more points, but I only wanted numbers good enough for design purposes and I also couldn't hold up dinner. So the data I plotted on the graph for the T-90 may be a little ragged. Nevertheless a real-life gain profile is not going to be a smooth curve.
Eyeballing the results indicates the T-90 does not exhibit the rapid fall-off of a parabolic. In fact at 12 degrees off-axis and beyond, it beats a 1.8m. Still at 20 degrees it is 3dB down and well below a 76cm on-axis in terms of performance. Although WF doesn't directly say this, one can imply it is from their spec of 40 degree arcs.
One positive that didn't immediately occur to me but was borne out as I moved a linear LNBF across an arc of a tuned T-90, was the angular beamwidth is tighter than a 90cm dish in-track. I saw very little spillover from adjacent 2 degree spaced satellites on the spectrum analyzer. Probably this is because the in-track dish dimension is nearly 1.1m. The cross-track beamwidth probably isn't as good, but who cares? This bodes well for nailing a series of Ku birds at 2 degree separations. I am testing modified Superdish 105 and 121 feeds to accomplish this without having to grind down the LNBFs, but that is another project.
While I had hoped for a little better performance on the toroid, my measurements do validate the specs. I'll probably restrict its use to around 30 degrees of arc. I am also considering using an extra 1.2m I have lying around, or possibly picking up another 1.8m, but the useful arc for me would only be around 20 degrees.
I hope these data will prove useful to others looking at multi-satellite reception.
I've also been contemplating this for awhile to reduce the competition of our family for the motorized dishes in our farm. With all the choices available, my interest lies in analytically determining a feasible design for a given set of birds/transponders before I pick up the tools in the shop. Rather than hijacking the original thread, I thought it better to start a new one summarizing what I have measured and learned. This is a work in progress as I've found a lot of myths, snake oil and much less hard science than I would like. I will be happy to correct any of my errors that are pointed out.
My first step was to consider what could be done with ordinary parabolic dishes. Parabolic dishes show very little loss (< 1 dB) for a feed off-axis by a few degrees. After that the drop-off accelerates. I didn't find a lot of useful data, but afcsat.com had some info I was able to spot check against a few other scattered points across the web. The agreement was also close for a few measurements I made for a rather unrelated project I am working on for my 3m. I've done a crude data fit and calculated the off-axis gains for several dish sizes in the Ku band. To correlate the relative performance, I've compared several vendors' specs and direct measurements on my dishes. The differences were mostly on the order of 0.5 dB and shouldn't have much effect on the bottom line.
My examples were:
1. 1.8m Fortec prime-focus
2. 1.2m GeoSatPro offset (also compared a Fortec 1.2m)
3. 1m Winegard DS-3100 offset
4. 90cm GeoSatPro (also compared a Fortec 90cm)
5. 76cm Winegard DS-2077 offset
The off-axis gains are plotted on the attachment as five of the six lines. The on-axis gain is that stated by the vendor, and checked for 1,2 and 5 as I have those dishes. The off-axis loss was calculated from my fit to the paucity of data available. The curves are only rough, but I think they are representative out to about 10-15 degrees. Realize that a parabolic antenna can only point focus on-axis. Any off-axis source will exhibit coma, and this will increase as one goes further off-axis. After that the defocussing will become messier and less subject to analysis; I wouldn't be surprised if these curves are on the fairly optimistic side.
In summary the fit predicts the gain will be 3dB down at about 8 degrees off-axis, and 10dB at about 15 degrees. That means even a 1.8m dish would be only be the equivalent of a 76cm dish (on-axis) at around 13 degrees. I didn't find this encouraging because the bulk of the FTA channels we watch are tending towards high SRs, high FECs and DVB-S2 over time. I would like to have enough margin for that.
Toroidal dishes represent an alternative geometry that offers the possibility of a broader arc of possible reception. After reading Iceberg's extended review thread of the Wave Frontier T-90, I located one of these for a reasonable price. I was a bit dubious of WF's claim of 40 degree arcs, so I decided to run a series of detailed tests to find out how it actually performs.
According to WF, the gain of a T-90 is comparable to a 90cm parabolic. This is possible because it has considerably more surface area, but I decided to check it. Trying to measure this within fractions of a dB seemed a bit onerous, but after thinking about it I decided to hold as many variables constant as I could. We're also DN subscribers and I already had several 76cm pointed and peaked at 61.5, 110, 119 and 129. The problem with comparing the T-90 is that as it has two reflective surfaces, circularly polarized signals are flipped compared to a single reflector. I could have used linear for the comparison, but CP signals average better and I wouldn't have to move the 76cm dishes.
My plan was to peak the T-90 on a DN bird, measure several transponders on my spectrum analyzer and then move the LNBF and cable over to a 76cm dish. To factor out any frequency dependent gains/losses, I wanted a LNBF I could quickly convert from normal CP polarity to reverse CP polarity. So I popped a DP dual LNBF apart and proved to my satisfaction that rotating the dielectric plate could give results accurate to 0.5 dB or better as long as I used the same output.
After running the tests, the T-90 measured about 0.7dB gain over the 76cm dishes. That's not amazing, but WF's spec is only 1dB more than Winegard's, so given my measurement errors, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
As it got dark I then ran the LNBF from 0-22.5 degrees offset in steps of 2.5 on the T-90. At each point I skewed the dish to the predicted center and then peaked the elevation and azimuth on the same bird. It would have been nice to repeat the measurements several times and at more points, but I only wanted numbers good enough for design purposes and I also couldn't hold up dinner. So the data I plotted on the graph for the T-90 may be a little ragged. Nevertheless a real-life gain profile is not going to be a smooth curve.
Eyeballing the results indicates the T-90 does not exhibit the rapid fall-off of a parabolic. In fact at 12 degrees off-axis and beyond, it beats a 1.8m. Still at 20 degrees it is 3dB down and well below a 76cm on-axis in terms of performance. Although WF doesn't directly say this, one can imply it is from their spec of 40 degree arcs.
One positive that didn't immediately occur to me but was borne out as I moved a linear LNBF across an arc of a tuned T-90, was the angular beamwidth is tighter than a 90cm dish in-track. I saw very little spillover from adjacent 2 degree spaced satellites on the spectrum analyzer. Probably this is because the in-track dish dimension is nearly 1.1m. The cross-track beamwidth probably isn't as good, but who cares? This bodes well for nailing a series of Ku birds at 2 degree separations. I am testing modified Superdish 105 and 121 feeds to accomplish this without having to grind down the LNBFs, but that is another project.
While I had hoped for a little better performance on the toroid, my measurements do validate the specs. I'll probably restrict its use to around 30 degrees of arc. I am also considering using an extra 1.2m I have lying around, or possibly picking up another 1.8m, but the useful arc for me would only be around 20 degrees.
I hope these data will prove useful to others looking at multi-satellite reception.
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Signal quality and 'lockability' have a lot of meaning to a specific receiver. Unfortunately these aren't objective measurements that can be translated to someone else's environment. Witness all the bizarrely different SQs people regularly call out on the forums. The numbers mean a lot to the authors, and possibly anyone with the same receiver, but my eyes simply glaze over whenever I run across them. Gain, beamwidth and cross-polarization are more to my liking, because they help gut estimate CNRs for a given reception requirement.
Cross-polarization is a distortion that causes one polarization to appear in form as another. For example some of the energy of a H polarized signal may appear as V. If this is happening, so may the converse. This will not only lower the level of the desired signal, but has the potential of introducing interference in the form of the opposite polarization. Even a perfectly transmitted signal has to run a gauntlet of trouble, starting with the atmosphere, moisture, reflections off the dish, feeds and LNBs, each of which introduces more cross-polarization. There is no doubt off-axis reception deteriorates cross-polarization. I haven't looked at how a well designed toroid does in this respect, because I didn't find any readily available specs. I would like to measure this sometime, but it isn't going to be particularly easy. Unfortunately I have more compelling projects with better ROI.
All things being equal, I would expect an offset dish to experience more aberrations than an equivalent aperture prime-focus, but this isn't based on a theoretical analysis. Off-axis and non-focal point positioning of the LNBF will also increase these effects, and may cause the issues you see between the polarities. However any object in the signal path, like tree limbs will also cause cross-polarization, diffraction and other hideous effects. I have seen multipath from trees not even in the signal path cause minor signal deterioration, and this was on my deep 3m dish. A chainsaw quickly proved this assertion
Warped dishes may also attenuate one polarity over another.
I find your mirror experiments interesting, but I'm not sure how accurately they can be placed. Even a tiny angle with respect to the dish surface is going to translate to a major defocussing. I had thought one time of gluing foil onto a smallish dish, but the prospect of peeling it off didn't have a lot of appeal. I read on the net that someone plated a pizza dish, but unfortunately their main line of research had more to do with burning holes in objects than examining aberrations.
Signal quality and 'lockability' have a lot of meaning to a specific receiver. Unfortunately these aren't objective measurements that can be translated to someone else's environment. Witness all the bizarrely different SQs people regularly call out on the forums. The numbers mean a lot to the authors, and possibly anyone with the same receiver, but my eyes simply glaze over whenever I run across them. Gain, beamwidth and cross-polarization are more to my liking, because they help gut estimate CNRs for a given reception requirement.
Cross-polarization is a distortion that causes one polarization to appear in form as another. For example some of the energy of a H polarized signal may appear as V. If this is happening, so may the converse. This will not only lower the level of the desired signal, but has the potential of introducing interference in the form of the opposite polarization. Even a perfectly transmitted signal has to run a gauntlet of trouble, starting with the atmosphere, moisture, reflections off the dish, feeds and LNBs, each of which introduces more cross-polarization. There is no doubt off-axis reception deteriorates cross-polarization. I haven't looked at how a well designed toroid does in this respect, because I didn't find any readily available specs. I would like to measure this sometime, but it isn't going to be particularly easy. Unfortunately I have more compelling projects with better ROI.
All things being equal, I would expect an offset dish to experience more aberrations than an equivalent aperture prime-focus, but this isn't based on a theoretical analysis. Off-axis and non-focal point positioning of the LNBF will also increase these effects, and may cause the issues you see between the polarities. However any object in the signal path, like tree limbs will also cause cross-polarization, diffraction and other hideous effects. I have seen multipath from trees not even in the signal path cause minor signal deterioration, and this was on my deep 3m dish. A chainsaw quickly proved this assertion
Warped dishes may also attenuate one polarity over another.I find your mirror experiments interesting, but I'm not sure how accurately they can be placed. Even a tiny angle with respect to the dish surface is going to translate to a major defocussing. I had thought one time of gluing foil onto a smallish dish, but the prospect of peeling it off didn't have a lot of appeal. I read on the net that someone plated a pizza dish, but unfortunately their main line of research had more to do with burning holes in objects than examining aberrations.
let there be light:
After the experiments with light, a layer of Matte Clear should restore the dish to satellite use.
And in the process, provide a fine protective layer against decades of harsh environment. -
Or for a lower tech idea, what about a slathering of oil or grease? -
That comes off with some soap 'n water. - :up
A generous application of a Clear Gloss should do the job, without destroying any existing color nor logos.
After the experiments with light, a layer of Matte Clear should restore the dish to satellite use.
And in the process, provide a fine protective layer against decades of harsh environment. -
Or for a lower tech idea, what about a slathering of oil or grease? -
That comes off with some soap 'n water. - :up
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There is also reflective spray paint. One still has to track a moving target and worry about burning holes in the focusing plane. It could also be a little tricky to meaningfully measure the energy distribution of the focal cloud.
In the end we have to consider that a LNBF is part of the equation, so I'll probably stick to RF. It would be a fun project for someone with time on their hands.
A generous application of a Clear Gloss should do the job, without destroying any existing color nor logos.
After the experiments with light, a layer of Matte Clear should restore the dish to satellite use.
And in the process, provide a fine protective layer against decades of harsh environment. -
Or for a lower tech idea, what about a slathering of oil or grease? -
That comes off with some soap 'n water. - :up
There is also reflective spray paint. One still has to track a moving target and worry about burning holes in the focusing plane. It could also be a little tricky to meaningfully measure the energy distribution of the focal cloud.
In the end we have to consider that a LNBF is part of the equation, so I'll probably stick to RF. It would be a fun project for someone with time on their hands.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5qI_-JKD8
Direct YouTube Link - The Truth About Cheap CB Radios for Off-Grid Travel
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
Ham Radio 2.0 on Facebook
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.
If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
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If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
Brittany
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I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.
A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won
Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!
Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!
This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll callThey ought to have fun with this…
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Oops.
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AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show
An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.
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I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
