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Trench cost question beyond 50 feet

Hey guys.

I've heard some conflicting information and people at DNS I've talked too don't seem to know, but maybe somebody here does.

I need to know the cost per foot beyond 50 that DISH technically charges for trenching. I can't find a straight answer anywhere and I need to know this for some training. I've seen 50 cents, 75 cents, and a $1 per foot, and nobody seems to know the correct answer.

Thanks for any help you guys can give. :D
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Claude Greiner
Claude Greiner
Im a DISH Network sales partner and I don't even know the ansewer and we send Jobs to DNSC all day long..

First of all I have yet to see a customer pay for trenching, installers usually don't do it and lay the cable on the grass, and I bet you if a customer was willing to pay nobod would know what to charge them.
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PATECO
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I am a local retailer, and we charge $125 extra for a pole mount plus $2 per foot past 50"
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dishcomm
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Claude Greiner said:
Im a DISH Network sales partner and I don't even know the ansewer and we send Jobs to DNSC all day long..

First of all I have yet to see a customer pay for trenching, installers usually don't do it and lay the cable on the grass, and I bet you if a customer was willing to pay nobod would know what to charge them.
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We bury it. And we charge for anything over 50ft. We just make it clear before the install is begun. If it's excessive we can and do sometimes get the customer to agree to bury it themselves. And they must sign off to that effect. CYA.
It's pretty easy to convey to the customer what is and is not included in a basic install. And they usually agree once we explain and then show them the Service Agreeemnt form.
Never had problem with collecting the fees.
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PATECO said:
I am a local retailer, and we charge $125 extra for a pole mount plus $2 per foot past 50"
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and of course these $125 pole mounts of yours (that DNS does @ no extra charge) are absolutely, perfectly dead-level plumb......... ;)
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dishcomm said:
We bury it. And we charge for anything over 50ft. We just make it clear before the install is begun. If it's excessive we can and do sometimes get the customer to agree to bury it themselves. And they must sign off to that effect. CYA.
It's pretty easy to convey to the customer what is and is not included in a basic install. And they usually agree once we explain and then show them the Service Agreeemnt form.
Never had problem with collecting the fees.
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Saw a D* Facia board install one time where 'Bozo' laid 2 figure-8 cables in the rain gutter & dropped it down the downspout. Saw another one time in Iowa where one of Cox Cable's 'Bozos' ran his through the furnace vents to get to an upstairs bedroom. If he did it once, you just know he's done it before.

Have another shining example of craftsmanship right here in my own yard where the DNS 'Bozo' did a pole mount too close to the side of the house to give himself clear shot 129. Then he cut off a 12" piece of ground rod and drove that in the ground at his entry point, calling it "good" (bzzzzt!! wrong). I made a note on the bottom of his service ticket that the grounding did not meet NEC requirements, but never heard a word back from anyone.

Each example stands as irrefutable proof that it's far more important to meet your daily job quota than do a proper install.
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Bob Haller
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run the coax inside flexible conduit for protection.

thatr way it can be barely covered with dirt, rather than deep job digging detail.
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dishcomm
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PBX_Guy said:
and of course these $125 pole mounts of yours (that DNS does @ no extra charge) are absolutely, perfectly dead-level plumb......... ;)
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what's your point?
Are you implying that the other poster does substandard work?
See this is the problem I have with the uninformed and those who make assumptions based solely on their own relentless cynicism.
It appears you assume that the pole mounts mentioned above are not of good quality and of course based on that assumption, those pole mounts should be done at no extra charge. The nerve.
BTW I saw the wink. If you're just kidding then disregard. If you're not making a joke, then here's to ya.
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dishcomm
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PBX_Guy said:
Saw a D* Facia board install one time where 'Bozo' laid 2 figure-8 cables in the rain gutter & dropped it down the downspout. Saw another one time in Iowa where one of Cox Cable's 'Bozos' ran his through the furnace vents to get to an upstairs bedroom. If he did it once, you just know he's done it before.

Have another shining example of craftsmanship right here in my own yard where the DNS 'Bozo' did a pole mount too close to the side of the house to give himself clear shot 129. Then he cut off a 12" piece of ground rod and drove that in the ground at his entry point, calling it "good" (bzzzzt!! wrong). I made a note on the bottom of his service ticket that the grounding did not meet NEC requirements, but never heard a word back from anyone.

Each example stands as irrefutable proof that it's far more important to meet your daily job quota than do a proper install.
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You are brining up examples of poor installs. This discussion is about collecting legitimate fees for legitimately chargeable work.
So let me ask..Is it your contention that we should NEVER be paid for extra services even though the Service Agreement has limits? THat question based on your apparent assumpton that you believe the work will ALWAYS be not to your liking?
Why don't you come out of the shadows and stop the cryptic nonsense.
One thingI will agree on is yes, the powers that be want numbers. They want quality. But techs in some shops are told to meet numbers or they won't get work. So they will slap it in. Until the work slows then they go back behind everyone and QC by the strictest interpretation of the rules.
I don't have to worry about that because my work is tby the book anyway. I just assume that all jobs are QC's and work that way.
So please ,don't you go lumping in all of the techs in the same boat because you're bitter about your POS job.
If you were so concerend about it, you'd have called and complained and then had the thing fixed.. Did you?.
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Bruce
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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ncted said:
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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Jimbo
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brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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Copper lines are fine ... until it hits the AIR.
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Bruce
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dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one
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Bruce
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Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

You would believe both companies would of learned from what happened with their TV services, which was ignore that cord cutting was a thing, allowed competition ( streaming) to get a foothold in the industry.

Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, Fiber soon after, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

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Spectrum Loses 233,000 Internet and 77,000 TV Customers in Third Quarter As Cord Cutting 2.0 Grows | Cord Cutters News

Charter Communications reported a further erosion of its core broadband base in the third quarter of 2026, with Spectrum losing 233,000 Internet customers on a pro forma basis that incorporates the recently completed Cox acquisition. Residential accounts accounted for nearly all of the decline...
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Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Bruce
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Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not
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Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
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What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
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NO.
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