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AlanRB

Last reply Mar 29, 2009 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Preinstall questions/concerns??

Currently with Comcast and want to switch to Dish.

Is there anything I should ask for upfront while placing the order in terms of the type of equipment that will be used (Dish type/ switches, etc)? I am completely new to satellite, please forgive me. I do not want old equipment pawned off on me when there is newer and better equipment available.

My configuration will consist of a VIP722k with a HDTV and a SDTV.
I will then have 2 other HDTV's in other locations with VIP211k's on each (one location currently still has a SDTV but will be an HDTV shortly, that is why I want a HD receiver in that location)

If I record something on the VIP722k then copy it over to the external hard drive can it then be moved to one of the VIP211k's for viewing?

Thanks

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IIP

Mar 25, 2009

No, unless you reschedule, you keep what you got once those receivers are activated.

Keep in mind that installers have very little control over what they get. When Dish is out of a receiver type, they could be out of it for a month or more, or only get in a few that go out fast. As a sub, if receivers are running low, I either take an "equivalent replacement" or I don't get any work. It's the same with new vs. refurbs; you get whatever they give you.

With HD, you have a good chance of getting a new, recent-model receiver. With SD, chances are it's a refurb, as Dish has nearly elmininated the manufacture of SD receivers, and is using the remans pulled from HD upgrades and Eastern Arc areas to install new SD jobs. It's been many months since I've seen a new 625, 322, or 311.

Jim5506

Mar 25, 2009

722K and 211K are all new - just came out. If they do not have them on the truck, refuse install until they are available.

You should get a 1000.2 dish, anything else would be questionable.

dishcomm

Mar 25, 2009

Jim5506 said:
722K and 211K are all new - just came out. If they do not have them on the truck, refuse install until they are available.

You should get a 1000.2 dish, anything else would be questionable.

What in God's Green earth are you talking about?
First you dont even know where the OP lives. For all you know he couyld be in an EA DMA. For which he would need a 1000.4
Next, if the work order calls for 722, that is what the customer gets. If all we have in stock are 722k's, he gets that. If the install company has only 222's and the W/O says 222k we install the 222. Same applies for 722/722k. There has not been a 211/411 in our midst for quite some time. 211k's are the norm.
Dish has a specific method or chain which indicates comparable receivers.
PLease do not instruct cusomers to "refuse" an install on false information.

AlanRB

Mar 26, 2009

dishcomm said:
What in God's Green earth are you talking about?
First you dont even know where the OP lives. For all you know he couyld be in an EA DMA. For which he would need a 1000.4

I believe Jim5506 was basing his comment concerning the antenna off of the information on my location. Did you note this above,
" Also what antenna would I likely get (1000.2)? (zip code 80112)"
Would not my location by zip code be sufficient to determine my antenna model number?

papalittle

Mar 26, 2009

IIP said:
No, unless you reschedule, you keep what you got once those receivers are activated.

Keep in mind that installers have very little control over what they get. When Dish is out of a receiver type, they could be out of it for a month or more, or only get in a few that go out fast. As a sub, if receivers are running low, I either take an "equivalent replacement" or I don't get any work. It's the same with new vs. refurbs; you get whatever they give you.

With HD, you have a good chance of getting a new, recent-model receiver. With SD, chances are it's a refurb, as Dish has nearly elmininated the manufacture of SD receivers, and is using the remans pulled from HD upgrades and Eastern Arc areas to install new SD jobs. It's been many months since I've seen a new 625, 322, or 311.

The only SD equipment we can install anymore is free for all's. We retailers have to install HD equipment for all other installs no matter what and we are not happy about it. nothing worse than getting to customers house to install , lets say a 722, and the customer has a tv with no RCA or HDMI just cable connection. a real pain.

dishcomm

Mar 26, 2009

AlanRB said:
I believe Jim5506 was basing his comment concerning the antenna off of the information on my location. Did you note this above,
" Also what antenna would I likely get (1000.2)? (zip code 80112)"
Would not my location by zip code be sufficient to determine my antenna model number?

didn't see the zip until now.
Nevertheless, you'd get the proper dish and equipemnt
Installers do not have discretion as to what equipment you'll get. That is what the worker is for.
You won't get junk or used equipment or any other sort of nonsense.

IIP

Mar 27, 2009

papalittle said:
The only SD equipment we can install anymore is free for all's. We retailers have to install HD equipment for all other installs no matter what and we are not happy about it. nothing worse than getting to customers house to install , lets say a 722, and the customer has a tv with no RCA or HDMI just cable connection. a real pain.

Are you considered an "Eastern Arc" location? If so, that's probably why: all new installs in EA locations are supposed to be EA only, which means ViP receivers.

We still put in lots of SD equipment in California.

rich88

Mar 27, 2009

Jim5506 said:
722K and 211K are all new - just came out. If they do not have them on the truck, refuse install until they are available.

You should get a 1000.2 dish, anything else would be questionable.

Perhaps you would like to tell him how to tell the difference between a new one and a reman.

I always want to ask one question on the customer who is insistent on "new" equipment: Where in heck do you think remans come from? DOH!!

Here's a little tip for all of you customers: You're barking up the wrong tree when tripping over "reman" vs. "new".

What you really need to be concerned about is the particular model (e.g., 381, 622) of receiver you're getting. God knows there are 2 particular models (hint, hint) that I'll never allow in my house.

Rick Ruth

Mar 28, 2009

I used Dish's list of local retailers, did my own research on them, narrowed the list down, and talked to them directly. I chose a retailer who worked with me. I waited until he had the receiver (and dish) that I wanted. He did the install in a location and manner that was totally acceptable to me. Plus, I got the same deal as calling the 800 number.

I couldn't be happier with the install, equipment, and programming and with my decision to drop Comcast after more than 26 years.

CowboyDren

Mar 29, 2009

rich88 said:
Here's a little tip for all of you customers: You're barking up the wrong tree when tripping over "reman" vs. "new".

I didn't want to say this before, but since we're tangentizing now...

I used to work at a Computer Renaissance franchise, where we dealt in new, used, and factory refurb hardware. The owner of my store and I were talking one day, and I grumbled that a new batch of printers was reman, and only ten dollars cheaper than next door, and he said to me this:

[P] We sell refurb printers for $100, and next door at Best Buy they sell the same model for $110. Why should the customer buy ours if it's second hand? The answer is simple: when you buy one at Best Buy, you're paying $10 extra for a good chance that it's defective. Ours have already been back to the factory, whatever was wrong was fixed, and we give our customers a $10 discount WITH our assurance that it's going to work fine for years. The net result being that our printers are actually more reliable and vastly cheaper (once time is factored) than the price tag alone would lead you to believe.

Yes, hard drives fail with time, but an extra 3-6 months of usage doesn't matter much in a world where the drive's MTBF is still longer than the product's obsolescence target. How many 921s were built? A bunch. How many 921 disks failed? A few. How many 921s are still capable of receiving high-def programming? ZERO.

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ewindowman

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Last reply Today at 8:31 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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Monday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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man00

Yesterday at 12:15 PM

Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:16 PM

Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:54 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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renjy651

Today at 6:37 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not

Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

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comfortably_numb

Today at 8:31 AM

renjy651 said:
What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 8:28 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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dishstaller

Oct 22, 2026

Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

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ncted

Oct 24, 2026

Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

brice52

Oct 24, 2026

ncted said:
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

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(((Garyd)))

Oct 24, 2026

brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

Jimbo

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(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

The weak point would be the connection between the outdoor feed and the indoor feed.

Jimbo

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brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

Copper lines are fine ... until it hits the AIR.

Bruce

Oct 25, 2026

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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brice52

Oct 25, 2026

(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one

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Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

You would believe both companies would of learned from what happened with their TV services, which was ignore that cord cutting was a thing, allowed competition ( streaming) to get a foothold in the industry.

Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, than Fiber, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

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Charter Communications reported a further erosion of its core broadband base in the third quarter of 2026, with Spectrum losing 233,000 Internet customers on a pro forma basis that incorporates the recently completed Cox acquisition. Residential accounts accounted for nearly all of the decline...

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