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This article appeared in the Wall Street Journal. It shows how NAN and the Word Network are in it for the money and suprise, Word Network is run by white guys...

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106979871017153700,00.html?mod=COMPANY

A Network's Tactic
For Getting on Air:
Protest Politics

Religious Channel Called In
Prominent Blacks for Help;
White Family Benefited
By PETER GRANT
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


On a rainy morning in March 2002, three buses of African-American protesters emptied in front of the headquarters of Charter Communications Inc., a cable-TV operator, in suburban St. Louis. Soon a limousine pulled up, and the Rev. Al Sharpton stepped out to lead the demonstrators in chants of "No Justice, No Peace."

Within a few weeks, Charter met the protest organizers' main demand: that the company begin carrying the Word Network, a three-year-old cable and satellite channel whose programming consists mainly of African-American church services.

Thanks to such tactics, the Word Network has become one of the nation's top five religious networks, beamed by satellite or cable operators into 32 million households, mostly in the U.S., according to Word officials. Some of the country's most-prominent black leaders -- including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Dick Gregory, Martin Luther King III and Johnnie Cochran Jr. -- have interceded on Word's behalf.

In return, many of the organizations run by the activists have received donations from backers of Word, according to Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson and other participants. Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson declined to say how much they've received. Others familiar with the matter say that their customary fee was about $10,000 plus expenses per event. "It is not unusual for people that we help to help the organization," Rev. Jackson says. "That does not affect our integrity at all. It's the way we survive."

But Word is an unusual cause for African-American activists. The network, a nonprofit organization, is controlled by Kevin Adell and his father, Frank Adell, members of a white Detroit-area family that made a fortune in the auto and broadcasting businesses. A substantial portion of the network's revenue, which was $7.6 million in the year that ended May 31, 2002, has gone to pay other Adell companies for rent, satellite transmission and other services, according to court documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.


Neither Kevin, 37 years old, nor Frank Adell, 75, who serve as president and chief executive of the Word Network, responded to repeated requests for an interview.

African-American leaders have been using confrontational tactics with U.S. businesses for more than 20 years to increase minority hiring, funnel business to black vendors and cease discriminatory practices. Facing boycotts, lawsuits and protests, numerous large corporations have made concessions, including Texaco Inc., Coca-Cola Co. and the Denny's restaurant chain. For black leaders, the tactics were justified to overcome years of racism.

In the case of Word, backers say playing hardball was necessary to make up for the television industry's history of discrimination and negative portrayal of blacks in programming. "We were not in the shakedown business," says Sam Riddle, one of the protest's lead organizers. "We were in the shakeup business."

The Adells also have a history of receiving the support of African-American activists for business and personal legal battles with a tenuous connection to Word. But in recent years, they have met increasing skepticism. Four black clergymen who were involved in the initial discussions about the Word Network sued the Adells shortly after Word was formed, charging that they were not given the ownership stakes and other participation they were promised. That case was settled out of court for undisclosed terms.

Meanwhile Kevin Adell's personal legal battles, such as an effort to force a homebuilder into involuntary bankruptcy, have caused other black leaders, including Rev. Sharpton, to distance themselves from the family. "Does Kevin pimp racism for his own personal ends?" asks Mr. Riddle. "It could certainly be perceived that way."

Building a Fortune

Frank Adell and his brothers, Robert and Marvin, built the family fortune in the 1960s and 1970s. Their company, Adell Industries Inc., made the stainless-steel moldings that fit over the edge of car doors, a feature that Robert patented. The brothers had a falling out in the late 1980s and eventually went to court over the breakup of the company. Today Marvin, 68, still runs the enterprise and says he doesn't speak to Frank anymore. (Robert is deceased.)

In the early 1980s, Frank Adell became interested in broadcasting and aligned himself with a group of prominent African-Americans in the Detroit area to bid on Channel 38, the last full-time commercial television license available in the region. The group, which formed Adell Broadcasting Corp., eventually included Horace Sheffield Jr., a prominent labor and civil-rights organizer, who died in 1995. His son, the Rev. Horace Sheffield III, is head of the Detroit chapter of Rev. Sharpton's National Action Network.


James Panagos, who was Adell Broadcasting's original programming manager, says the Federal Communications Commission granted Adell the license partly because its stockholders included minorities. An FCC spokeswoman says that the agency used to weigh minority ownership when making licensing decisions but stopped the practice more than 10 years ago in response to court challenges.

Adell Broadcasting tailored much of Channel 38's programming to the Detroit region's large African-American audience. The station began selling time to black ministers, charging about $500 to $600 per half hour, Mr. Panagos says. Infomercials were a staple of the station's schedule, he says.

In 1999, the Adells devised a plan for a national network focusing on gospel music and black church services. They organized a group of five African-American clergymen in the Detroit area to travel to El Segundo, Calif., to meet with executives of DirecTV, the country's largest satellite-television company. Rev. Jackson also attended the meeting, which was intended to persuade DirecTV to carry the new Word Network.

The day before they met with DirecTV, the clergymen asked for a stake in the new network at a meeting with the Adells, according to Denise Johnson, a broker of religious media who helped the Adells arrange the participation of the five clergymen. She says the Adells agreed to give each clergyman a 3% stake.

DirecTV executives agreed to carry Word partly because officials believed that the ministers were owners and active participants, according to people with knowledge of the situation. As the launch date approached in early 2000, however, four of the clergymen had a falling out with the Adells and eventually filed a lawsuit alleging that the Adells weren't honoring their commitments. (Bishop Charles Ellis III, the fifth clergyman, is the only African-American serving on Word's board, according to its most recent tax filing.)

In legal papers responding to the four ministers' lawsuit, the Adells denied that they had promised to make the ministers partners in Word.

Fee Structure

Word's revenue comes primarily from the fees ministers pay to have their services carried, currently about $2,500 per half hour, according to Lewis Gibbs, the network's head of operations. The ministers typically earn a portion of that revenue back by using their programs to sell tapes, CDs and other material.

Much of Word's revenue is pumped back into other Adell companies. The Adells own Word's headquarters building in suburban Detroit. And in a 1999 document obtained by a division of Hughes Electronics Corp. in a separate Adell legal battle, Word agreed to pay an Adell entity called Satellite Television Network Inc. a fee equal to 95% of Word's net programming revenue or STN's costs, whichever is lower. The fee covers STN's legal fees, payments to contractors, supplies, and salaries and overhead expenses related to its transmission of Word's signal to DirecTV.

To sell time to ministers, the Word had to persuade other cable and satellite operators besides DirecTV to carry the network. It hired Betsy Kellman, a veteran cable executive, who began to pitch Word to the heads of programming of numerous operators. But heavy competition for available channels made Word a tough sell.

"When [Word] took a traditional approach, the result was zip," Mr. Riddle says. "When we started kicking down the door, carriage zoomed."

In the spring of 2000, Kevin Adell and Rev. Sharpton showed up unannounced at the headquarters of what was then AT&T Corp.'s cable operation. AT&T Broadband had been talking to Word about a possible deal, but nothing had been finalized.

Allan Singer, the No. 2 executive in charge of programming, ushered the two visitors into a conference room, and Rev. Sharpton soon began yelling at him, accusing the company of discrimination, according to someone familiar with the situation. Almost immediately after the meeting, AT&T Broadband agreed to carry Word. Rev. Sharpton says he doesn't recall the meeting. AT&T Broadband has since been sold to Comcast Corp., which declined to comment on the internal meetings of the prior owner.

At about that same time, Mr. Riddle says he began working on behalf of Word. Mr. Riddle, 57, has been a well-known activist since 1972, when he led a civil-rights demonstration that shut down a Big 10 basketball game between Michigan State University and the University of Iowa. "My history is one of confronting and then exacting concessions," he says.

Mr. Riddle, who lives in the Detroit area and makes his living as a political and media consultant, says he planned most of the demonstrations with Rev. Sheffield, keeping Kevin Adell apprised. When they targeted a cable or satellite company, they typically would first reach out to local civil-rights organizations to get them involved. In some cases, Mr. Riddle gathered protesters from homeless shelters, fed them breakfast and gave them about $50 each. "I like to refer to it as 'rent a demonstration,' " he says.

The pressure tactics wouldn't have been necessary if cable and satellite companies offered more positive programming about African-Americans, says Mr. Riddle, who argues that too many of the blacks seen on television are involved in sex, drugs or violence. "We gained carriage because we were right," he says.

Rev. Sharpton or other representatives of the National Action Network and its chapters attended protests at the headquarters of EchoStar Communications Corp., Charter, Mediacom Communications Corp., in Middletown, N.Y., and XM Satellite Radio, in Washington. Protesters called the homes of executives of Charter, EchoStar and Mediacom. A few also showed up at the home of EchoStar's chief executive, Charlie Ergen, and at a high-school basketball game in which his daughter was playing.

Rev. Sharpton, who is running for president, says his work for Word was limited to consulting and attending meetings with cable and satellite executives on the network's behalf. When he participated in demonstrations at cable and satellite companies, he says, it was only to protest hiring or other discriminatory practices. "It had nothing to do with whether they carried the Word," he says.

Mr. Riddle, who says he helped arrange for Rev. Sharpton to attend the protests and occasionally paid him, says the main purpose of the protests was to force the operator to carry Word. "The objective was to open up the satellite and cable industry to value positive programming like the Word, and Sharpton was a key player," he says.

Word initially approached Charter in 2000 soon after the network was launched. Ms. Kellman pitched the network to Patty McCaskill, who was then Charter's vice president of programming. Ms. McCaskill replied that Charter carried other religious networks that included black clergymen and that it would be prohibitively expensive for Charter to add the equipment necessary to pick up the Word's signal, according to people familiar with the situation

About nine months later, Mr. Adell visited Charter to try again. Ms. McCaskill told him the same thing. He responded by noting that Word has a lot of support in the African-American community, these people say.

A month or so later, Charter got a phone call from a National Action Network chapter saying that representatives wanted to meet to resolve a number of issues. When they came in a few weeks later with Mr. Adell, they began by raising concerns about Charter's minority-hiring practices and use of African-American vendors. Only after that did they bring up Word. They also maintained that they were operating independently of Word, people familiar with the situation say. A Charter spokesman declines to comment on the meeting. A spokesperson for Ms. McCaskill, who left Charter earlier this year, also declines to comment.

Once Charter agreed to carry Word, the protesters' demands for action on hiring practices and the use of minority suppliers virtually ceased, according to people familiar with the situation.

Soon after the Charter protest, African-American organizations came to Mr. Adell's help in a personal dispute: a legal fight over a $3.1 million home he was trying to build in Bloomfield Hills, a Detroit suburb. Mr. Adell filed suits accusing John Richards Homes Building Co., Birmingham, Mich., and a unit of Charter One Financial Inc., of conspiring to inflate the value of the land, among other things.

As the lawsuits were being filed, groups including the Michigan chapter of the National Action Network issued a news release accusing Charter One of discriminatory lending practices and other abuses, and organized several demonstrations in front of the bank's Cleveland headquarters. At a meeting with bank officials and Mr. Adell, protesters brought up Mr. Adell's lawsuit, alleging he was being treated unfairly because of his association with Word, according to people who were there.

Mr. Adell later tried to force John Richards into involuntary bankruptcy. A U.S. bankruptcy court quickly dismissed that effort and earlier this year awarded John Richards $6.4 million in damages, one of the largest judgments ever assessed against someone for a wrongful involuntary bankruptcy filing, bankruptcy attorneys say. "Adell's conduct was reprehensible and must be deterred and punished," wrote U.S. bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes in his ruling.

Partly because of the John Richards case, which is under appeal, Rev. Sharpton is rethinking his association with Mr. Adell. "My whole relationship with his organization is something I'm reviewing," he says.

John Richards principals have had a difficult time collecting because Mr. Adell has taken steps to shield his assets, including moving to Florida. There, he bought a $2.8 million home to take advantage of that state's homestead law, which makes it very difficult for creditors to seize residences. When marshals arrived to seize the contents of Mr. Adell's suburban Detroit home, the only thing left inside was a picture of a monkey with a note from Mr. Adell saying it should be saved for John Richards's lawyer, Norman Ankers.

In recent months, the protests on Word's behalf have slowed. Mr. Adell has been fighting to hold onto his home in Florida. In September, Judge Rhodes ruled that he can't use the state's homestead law to shelter the home from his creditors, partly because he failed to demonstrate that he intended to live in Florida permanently. On Nov. 14, three days before Mr. Adell's deadline for selling the house passed, Mr. Adell filed a petition in Florida seeking bankruptcy protection.

Meanwhile, Mr. Adell also has been busy trying to start a new network in Florida, Cubana One Network, which he also structured as a tax-exempt organization that is to feature programming targeted at Florida's large Cuban population.

In August, Cubana One issued a press release criticizing Bright House Networks, a major Florida cable operator, for not meeting with Mr. Adell and another network executive. It quotes Hilda Luisa Diaz, of the Jose Marti Educational Foundation Inc., as saying: "If there is space for six porno channels, there should be at least one channel available to disseminate ... uplifting family entertainment."

Soon after, Bright House executives agreed to meet, but a company spokeswoman says it has no plans to add the network at this time.
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osu1991
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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs. 😡
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dishstaller
I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years
That's why I cancelled ours and just started saving the money. We're about to do the same thing with our home insurance.....not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage. We're paying over $5k right now and that is AFTER I dumbed things down...and it keeps going up. Got a couple trees I want to have taken down first before I do that however. After we do that, it will knock about $3k off our annual premium.
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harshness
not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage.
Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?
dishstaller
Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?
Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.
Jimbo
Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.
Does the Wind portion cover Hurricanes ?
dishstaller
Does the Wind portion cover Hurricanes ?
Yes. I covers ANYTHING wind related. If the wind blows down a tree on my roof...that is wind related.
That is why I want to take out a few trees first before I drop it.

I'm not worried about my roof. House was very solidly built and has hurricane straps. I put the metal roof on myself with the help of a friend and I recently replaced all of the outer screws with #12 2 in screws which I also dipped the tip in silicone before driving them in. Any other damage I'll fix myself like I did after Michael gave us a visit in 2018.
dishdude
The other thing you can look at are deductibles. I bumped my homeowners up to $10k and it dropped my premium in half - I'm not filing a claim unless the damage is catastrophic.
Jimbo
Yes. I covers ANYTHING wind related. If the wind blows down a tree on my roof...that is wind related.
That is why I want to take out a few trees first before I drop it.

I'm not worried about my roof. House was very solidly built and has hurricane straps. I put the metal roof on myself with the help of a friend and I recently replaced all of the outer screws with #12 2 in screws which I also dipped the tip in silicone before driving them in. Any other damage I'll fix myself like I did after Michael gave us a visit in 2018.
So, the Roof will stay, hopefully the rest of the house stays as well ... if the Hurricane decides to take the house and move it down the street, well at least the roof will go with it !
meStevo
The other thing you can look at are deductibles. I bumped my homeowners up to $10k and it dropped my premium in half - I'm not filing a claim unless the damage is catastrophic.

Yeah, I made our homeowners insurance deductible tied to a percentage of value or something - basically will only use it if the place burns down.
dishstaller
So, the Roof will stay, hopefully the rest of the house stays as well ... if the Hurricane decides to take the house and move it down the street, well at least the roof will go with it !
Why be such a smartbutt.
We went through a cat 5 hurricane.....the foundation is sound. Trees hitting the house are the only thing I am worried about when it comes to wind related damage.
IF you had actually been through multiple hurricanes like I have, you would know that most of the damage, unless you were stupid enough to build along the coast.....something ALL of our ancestors knew better than to do, is roof related. In a lot of cases the roof gives way and then the house suffers water damage due to the heavy rain.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
Almighty1
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.
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jsmit86
If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
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Almighty1
If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.

    The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.


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jsmit86
Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    • Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.
This was for port settings for the switch, not the router.

Originally was recommended to use EDGE vs. Infrastructure, but had to change that back to Infrastructure.

Had to leave STP (Spanning tree protocol) ON, but disable BPDU guard, and also had to disable Non-STP loop protection.

The previous settings were flagging normal dish system packets as a data loop, and fully blocked that port on the UniFI Pro Max 16 POE switch.

These were specific to my managed switch, and may not apply to the OP's issue.
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Almighty1
This was for port settings for the switch, not the router.

Originally was recommended to use EDGE vs. Infrastructure, but had to change that back to Infrastructure.

Had to leave STP (Spanning tree protocol) ON, but disable BPDU guard, and also had to disable Non-STP loop protection.

The previous settings were flagging normal dish system packets as a data loop, and fully blocked that port on the UniFI Pro Max 16 POE switch.

These were specific to my managed switch, and may not apply to the OP's issue.
Yes, a switch unlike what the consumer calls a router does not use NAT (Network Address Translation. There could be other settings in the router itself that may have a effect as well. A router does contain a Layer 2/Layer 3 switch as well. A Managed switch does contain a Layer 2/Layer 3 router as well, just not the NAT type of router.

I have both HP/Aruba and Cisco Managed 1GBit and 10Gbit switches and never had any of the issues mentioned as my modem goes into the switch first while the router(s) all are connected to the switches. As for the OP, until we know his configuration and whether it ever worked with the Hopper Plus or without the Hopper Plus and just the Hopper 3 only, it would be hard to know where the issue lies since it could be a issue with the provider, bandwidth or the network hardware configuration among other things.
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After having continuing trouble with my eight+ year old Dell Inspiron laptop I am looking to hopefully catch a good deal on new one. My options to buy is Costco and Sam's Club. It seems like a lot of new laptops are 2 in 1 which I do not need. I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus. The keyboard would need to lighted also. I don't game any. It would have to be Windows instead of and not Mac. The brands I see the most are Asus, Dell and HP. My two last laptops has been Dell's. Of these brands are there any standouts over the other brands. My budget (hopefully) is $600+-. Also while researching I noticed that do not have ethernet ports.
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arlo
Can't really help with an exact set of suggestions. I can say that if you have a set budget. And $600 these days wont get you much. One thing I can say is check out Dell Refurbished.
I've suggested and even configured, ordered a few for friends who were a bit iffy in deciding what they needed and wanted.
Refurbished doesn't mean that they came back defective and were repaired. Companies and organizations who order quantities of the same computers often cancel or modify their requirements.
Dell builds usually on demand. Their direct refurbished line will be brand new, unused. Perhaps not exactly the "today" specifications of the latest-greatest. And you can get a nice pc for quite a bit less with full warranty.
Just a suggestion.
"I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus".

As far as Asus, HP goes. And others you may consider. I'd think $600 (new) would get you a laptop. A quality, long lasting one? Not so sure. Now. If you could get a $1000 lappy for $600. Good deal, don't you think?
Surf the web doesn't need a killer Nvidia graphics chip. Nor a pinnacle, top of the line Intel, AMD processor.
12-16 gigs of memory will get you by just fine.
I'm personally an Asus fan. Brands aside. The one thing is the batteries. We discussed that here someplace else.
I repair these critters. Batteries. Cheap laptops have cheap batteries. Asus suggests that you don't keep the charger plugged in all of the time to make them last. Like you see on phones where 85% vs full charge is suggested to preserve battery life.
Foxbat
GB is the new MB (remember when Windows used to be happy with 8 MB of RAM?)

I had great experiences with Dell's Refurbished systems in the past. I ended up getting Business desktops instead of the Home PCs since they didn't come loaded with bloatware and the one Desktop I got for Mrs. Foxbat even had a license for MS Office Professional included.
arlo
Can't really help with an exact set of suggestions. I can say that if you have a set budget. And $600 these days wont get you much. One thing I can say is check out Dell Refurbished.
I've suggested and even configured, ordered a few for friends who were a bit iffy in deciding what they needed and wanted.
Refurbished doesn't mean that they came back defective and were repaired. Companies and organizations who order quantities of the same computers often cancel or modify their requirements.
Dell builds usually on demand. Their direct refurbished line will be brand new, unused. Perhaps not exactly the "today" specifications of the latest-greatest. And you can get a nice pc for quite a bit less with full warranty.
Just a suggestion.
"I use the laptop to mainly surf the web and keep up with my finances, money and bills. I would like to have at least a 15" screen and having a touchscreen is a plus".

As far as Asus, HP goes. And others you may consider. I'd think $600 (new) would get you a laptop. A quality, long lasting one? Not so sure. Now. If you could get a $1000 lappy for $600. Good deal, don't you think?
Surf the web doesn't need a killer Nvidia graphics chip. Nor a pinnacle, top of the line Intel, AMD processor.
12-16 gigs of memory will get you by just fine.
I'm personally an Asus fan. Brands aside. The one thing is the batteries. We discussed that here someplace else.
I repair these critters. Batteries. Cheap laptops have cheap batteries. Asus suggests that you don't keep the charger plugged in all of the time to make them last. Like you see on phones where 85% vs full charge is suggested to preserve battery life.
Just an edit. I did look on Dell's refurb site. To me I didn't really see anything approaching the six-hundred dollar range that I'd even consider owning. That's me though. Marginally in the $700 range.
Upwards of $1000, sure. Me? I'd save up a little more. I think their warranty is 100 days. Not that you'll need it. Square Trade is a viable option too.
The other guys replies after my first post here are viable. All I can say is that my friends and folks who chose refurbished over new have been entirely happy.

Just beware of cheap. It might just bite you. We do have tariffs now since when you bought your lappy 8 years ago.

Harshness' comment of on-cpu gpu. Intel Integrated Graphics is usually accompanied with and Nvidia gpu also.
Low power drain, good graphics and when needed, the Nvidia kicks in.


2 in 1 goes along with touch screen. Fold the display over and use it as a tablet. They go hand in hand. The keyboard shuts off. Normally open, the touch screen works as is should. I never use the touch screen when opened normally on mine. Kind of clumsy. In tablet configuration, does as it should.
harshness
In a world where Chromebooks are retailing for upwards of $600, that probably isn't enough for a self-respecting Windows laptop.

Come to think of it, it is barely enough for a reasonable mini PC with a monitor, keyboard, and mouse these days.

If a laptop is a mandate, you're looking in the used market, and that's a complete crap shoot unless you can get a factory refurb with a >90-day warranty.
R
After checking on new laptops and not liking the prices I checked to see when I replaced the battery in mine. It was about five years ago. I also installed a bigger 1TB SSD drive a few years ago. It already has 12GB of RAM which was more than most new laptops I looked at. I plan on replacing the battery to see what happens. The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5570. Is there anything else I need to replace?
primestar31
After checking on new laptops and not liking the prices I checked to see when I replaced the battery in mine. It was about five years ago. I also installed a bigger 1TB SSD drive a few years ago. It already has 12GB of RAM which was more than most new laptops I looked at. I plan on replacing the battery to see what happens. The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5570. Is there anything else I need to replace?
Maybe replace the CMOS battery? Power on while taping the F2 key to get into the Setup screen, then take photos of all your cmos settings before replacement, so you can easily restore them after replacement.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I had an old Wireless Joey replaced by a Wireless Joey 4 (Android TV) - still have a Hopper 3 without the Hopper Plus. What do I have to do to get the EPG to show channel logos instead of "Dish"? This is annoying as hell and it's been this way for over a month…
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That kind of crap annoys me to no end.
That is one reason I haven't switched to h3and the same wireless joey 4
Hope you get it resolved.
KAB
KAB
Just so you know, my WJ4 (with no Hopper+) shows all the logos. I can't think of why yours isn't. I'll do some digging in the settings.
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Scott Greczkowski
They "should" appear after a few days. If not reboot the hopper and joey. Sometimes it needs a kick.
Almighty1
There are some channels that would not show the logos but the ones you listed should all have logos as I have a Hopper 3 + Hopper Plus here. You might try forcing a Guide Update first before doing what Scott mentioned.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Fountain Of Sorrow - James Browne
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Funk #49 - James Gang
long_time_Dish
Back On The Chain Gang - The Pretenders
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My City Was Gone - The Pretenders
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Already Gone - The Eagles
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Was raining yesterday so I went to Sams up in Dothan to stock up on some things. Haven't been there in quite a while. I was amazed at how large most of the TVs were. When I walked in they had a 100 in Vizio (I think it was Vizio) that was marked down to something like $1,200. The first rows of TVs were all in the 80 in + sizes. The next couple of rows had the "smaller" models....those 75 and under. I was amazed at how small the 75s looked when lined up with the larger screens.
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Foxbat
I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…
TRG
TRG
I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…

55" is plenty big.
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55" is plenty big.
And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
Jimbo
And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
I remember buying my 1st Sony .... a whopping Big 27" CRT XBR .... $1200. :)
Bobby
I bought my 50" Mitsubishi rear projection in 1981!
dishstaller
I remember buying my 1st Sony .... a whopping Big 27" CRT XBR .... $1200. :)
Yep....because they weren't going to get any bigger and the CERTAINLY weren't going to get any cheaper.

I remember MANY years ago I went into Sams Club and saw a thumb drive on sale for $49.88....the storage capacity was a whopping 256mb....yes, MB. I just KNEW that was as cheap as they could ever go and there was simply NO way they could fit any more memory into something that small.
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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
dfergie
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
Foxbat
Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Last reply · posted in TV Shows

View: https://youtu.be/nK0HytQwrw8


Coming December 20, 2023
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Foxbat
Still enjoying the show.
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Ive got to find time to get back to it. Watched the first episode and been too busy to squeeze it into out watch schedule.
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The latest trailer for Season 3 starting November 20th just came out:
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Ramy
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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