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Hello,

We have had DirecTV in our small medical facility for over four years and have no real complaints until recently. With a planned HDTV upgrade, I called to inquire about switching from SD to HD receivers. I was surprised to find that doing so would cost $200 for the basic HD unit. Multiply this by three receivers and the bill comes in at $600! To get some comparison, I called Dish Network and was quoted about $100 (free installation with a two year contract and basic programing). WTF?

I have been around the block a few times and am extremely cautious when something looks too good to be true (like my first wife). I plan to research exactly what channel package we want and then get the quote in writing before I proceed. I will also take the time and pain to my brain to read all the fine print. In the meantime, any comments and/or links to safety tips here? There seems to be an equal number of customer complaints and scams about both companies via the Internet.


"Technological change is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." (Albert Einstein, 1941),
Dr. Z.
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JFaber99
Hello,
To get some comparison, I called Dish Network and was quoted about $100 (free installation with a two year contract and basic programing). WTF?

I'm ignorant. What was the $100 for? Commercial acct fee?

I put HD in three rooms (home). The Dish Network installer had to upgrade the wiring in two of the rooms and I paid nothing up front.
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STL
We have had DirecTV in our small medical facility for over four years and have no real complaints until recently. With a planned HDTV upgrade, I called to inquire about switching from SD to HD receivers. I was surprised to find that doing so would cost $200 for the basic HD unit.
Sounds like you got quoted the existing customer "sucker" price. Both E* and D* try the same tactic; you'd be surprise how many people fall for it. D* will upgrade you to three HD rec'rs for no more than $100 with only a little pressing (like kindly explaining to them that you'll leave for E* if they don't) as long as you agree to a contract extension.

If you decide to switch to E*, just be aware that their TurboHD packages don't have all the (non-premium) HD channels. Instead they make you spend an extra $18+/month more to buy the Classic(SD)+HD packages just to get many of the good HD channels. Also, don't believe any claims their CEO Charlie makes -- it's well known his statements are often misleading at best.
Lord_Vader
I've never had DirectTV (only Dish), but I would compare fees as well. See what your total cost is per month.
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I have D* Choice Xtra HD DVR package with the Sports Pack, and I have calculated it would cost it barely five bucks more than the comparable package from E* after their promotional period ends. Plus, by switching to E* I would give up access to MLB Extra Innings package and NFL Sunday Ticket; would not get the MLB Network and GOL TV; and be subject to the distinct possibility of having some or all local channels pulled off during E*'s notorious hardball carriage negotiations. For these reasons, I have decided to stick with D* despite E*'s ads proclaiming itself as the "lowest priced satellite provider."
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grb
I have D* Choice Xtra HD DVR package with the Sports Pack, and I have calculated it would cost it barely five bucks more than the comparable package from E* after their promotional period ends. Plus, by switching to E* I would give up access to MLB Extra Innings package and NFL Sunday Ticket; would not get the MLB Network and GOL TV; and be subject to the distinct possibility of having some or all local channels pulled off during E*'s notorious hardball carriage negotiations. For these reasons, I have decided to stick with D* despite E*'s ads proclaiming itself as the "lowest priced satellite provider."


The above summarizes the comparison between D* and E* very well.

E* is a little cheaper, but you will be shortchanged a few channels, probably sports. And you may lose some channels for a period of time while Charlie negotiates to save us all $.25 per month.

I have HD Absolute, which is no longer available. At $42/month total, including tax, the price works for me. The biggest drawback is no RSN's. I would have to pay an additional $30/month to get my 2 RSN's by getting a different package. And Dish refuses to accept an additional $10/month I would pay to get them.

If they try to squeeze me out of the Absolute package, I will bolt. I want the RSN's AND the MLB network, too, but for now, for what I get, the price is right ...
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Garden Party - Ricky Nelson
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The Garden - Rush
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Safe In My Garden - The Mamas & The Papas
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Mary Shut The Garden Door - Donald Fagen
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The Wind Cries Mary - Jimi Hendrix
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio
Some of the channels start next week.

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comfortably_numb
My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.
TRG
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It's not even Halloween yet.
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I like the Jimmy Fallon channel. This will be its third year. I like that it's all fresh each year. Also fun when he pops on live from time to time.
Don in CT
My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.
So it's a drunk father telling his in-laws to leave.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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dishstaller
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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Scott Greczkowski
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Scott Greczkowski
Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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(((Garyd)))
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.
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(((Garyd)))
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
I had a direct link to ]Political, thought provoking and debatable but now have to go in the main section or I get a warning on my Bitdefender
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dishstaller
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent. :baby
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I sent you a PM Scott. Doesn't really make any sense to me BUT....I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer....though I just might be the most persistent. :baby
Its an automated bot. Explained it to you in the PM.
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osu1991
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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meStevo

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
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GM said its next-generation vehicle architecture will provide 40 times more computing power and 30 percent less wiring than before and will expand from the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ to its high-volume SUVs, trucks, crossovers, and fourth-generation EVs, which will be powered by lithium manganese-rich (LMR) prismatic batteries

Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.
harshness
Let's tell it like it is. GM's EV efforts are coming from SAIC. The brain trust is almost entirely in China, and GM is hanging off of SAIC's shirt tails.

It is a lot like asserting that the Corvette was designed by Chevrolet when most of it came from the Cadillac CTS-V.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
That's how Ford did it- vertical integration. He even set up a rubber plantation in S. America
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
snissen
What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
I stand up from my chair with my glass in one hand and my plate in the other, when a story I really want to hear comes on the TV. So I say, "Alexa, pause DISH", and it waits for me to return from the kitchen, at which time I say, "Alexa, resume DISH".

Or maybe, when I return with a full glass in one hand and a new plate in the other, I realize I forgot to pause to hear this good story from its start. So I say, "Alexa, skip DISH backwards 3 minutes", and I still get to catch the whole story.

I use this every day. Or until I acquire a third hand.
navychop
The Resurrectionists can help you with that.

For a price.
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