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Last reply Jul 11, 2009 · posted in The Sports Section

How do you feel about the designated hitter?

This is something I've been thinking about posting for a long time.

The designated hitter has led to a long-running debate about whether it's a good idea or not.

Here's my take: it's a good thing.

I admit, it's a bit personal. I used to be a DH when I played high school baseball. I know everyone says it's good to have everyone field, but not EVERYONE can field well. I couldn't play any positions at all- drop too many balls, sometimes get distracted easily- and can do one thing well- hit the ball well. (Also, if I stay in the dugout, I could fire up my teammates. Much better than losing balls in the sun)

Also, I have felt for years and years that pitchers don't hit well, but also, they can hurt themselves (Chien-Mien Wang and Jake Peavy last year, Randy Johnson will be out for 4-6 weeks because he hurt his shoulder swinging at a pitch.)

THE PEAVY FIASCO | Major League Baseball Blog - MajorLeagueBlogging.com

This is an article that sums up my opinions- it can be dangerous for pitchers, who can hurt themselves and damage their team's chances for the season.

(Bill, if the Red Sox need a big hit to score a run, who would you want at the plate- a proven clutch-hitter in Big Papi or a hurler hitting below the Mendoza Line that couldn't hit a ball hard enough to dent a pie's crust?)

People who rave about the double switch and strategy- well, you do not play to develop good strategies and pull off double switches because it makes a game better.

In the words of Herman Edwards, "You play to win the game!"

Finally- people like to call the National League "real baseball."

Well, since 1987, the league of "real baseball" has gone 3-18-1 in All-Star Games and 6-15 in the World Series. To me, "Real baseball" means real failur in games that count.

People hype up N.L. baseball as being pure and real, the best there is- like the Dallas Cowboys, San Jose Sharks (and the AFC in Super Bowls from 1985 to 1998), they usually fall flat in the games that matter the most.

That's my opinion.

What's yours?

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BillD1984

Jul 10, 2009

I think that it's beyond assinine that, for the last 37 years, the two leagues have played under different rules.

I personally don't care if there's a DH or not, just play by the same rules.

DodgerKing

Jul 10, 2009

BillD1984 said:
I think that it's beyond assinine that, for the last 37 years, the two leagues have played under different rules.

I personally don't care if there's a DH or not, just play by the same rules.

I actually like distinct rules.

In fact, I preferred it when the two leagues were even more distinct by never playing against each other in the regular season, using different umpire crews, using different set of rules for meetings at the mound, and having two distinct league presidents.

Baseball, unlike other sports, is made of 2 different leagues.

BillD1984

Jul 10, 2009

DodgerKing said:
I actually like distinct rules.

In fact, I preferred it when the two leagues were even more distinct by never playing against each other in the regular season, using different umpire crews, using different set of rules for meetings at the mound, and having two distinct league presidents.

Baseball, unlike other sports, is made of 2 different leagues.

Okay fine, but whose set of rules do we use for the World Series?

DodgerKing

Jul 10, 2009

BillD1984 said:
Okay fine, but whose set of rules do we use for the World Series?

The home team

BillD1984

Jul 10, 2009

DodgerKing said:
The home team

That's EXACTLY what I don't like.

You play 162 games and up to 12 postseason games, then you get to the World Series and the rules change for one team!??

Sorry, but IMO, that's ludicrous!

TNGTony

Jul 10, 2009

BillD1984 said:
That's EXACTLY what I don't like.

You play 162 games and up to 12 postseason games, then you get to the World Series and the rules change for one team!??

Sorry, but IMO, that's ludicrous!

The rules change for BOTH teams. Each team gets home games so there is no disadvantage.

I ask all you DH proponents again, why not have a designated hitting team and a defensive team? What is the difference between having a DH for a pitcher and having a DH for a great SS with a weak bat? Or a fabulous veteran catcher with no knees left to run the bases? Or an outfielder with a rocket arm and great skills and a propensity to strike out?

Or even more outlandish... a designated runner (DR) for slow players with good bats? This is a SERIOUS question. Why not? If one is a good thing, why not the others?

This is a serious question? If you are for a pitcher's DH, how can you be against a completely different offensive team and defensive team?

"I hate seeing pitchers hit"

I hate seeing bad hitters (sub .250) try to hit and being left in the game because they are great defensive players! (not really--but it's the same silly statement)

rittjc

Jul 11, 2009

I am for the DH. I don't want to see pitchers injure themselves (i.e. Wang-Yankees) running bases. I want to see pitchers pitch without a rally-buster hitter (i.e. the pitcher) that couldn't hit the Mendoza line in his best season.

I know all the arguments against the DH. "Everybody plays everybody hits". But, by the exact same logic you can expose another arbitrary hypocrisy and turn it around and say that everybody bats, so everybody pitches. Every player should have 1 inning of pitching. It is the same "balance" issue to the game because pitching is far more difficult than hitting. Don't punish teams with good pitchers by making them be pulled from a game to get a potential "critical hit" in a 0-0 game. It rewards poor hitters and punishes good pitchers. How is that fair? Same could be said of rotating through all specialist positions from catcher to outfielder like they do in volleyball. It makes no sense.

But, I don't want to watch football and see a QB be forced to play linebacker and the seemingly "less professional" defense that would display. Every position in football has a specialist so we don't have to see a QB trying to be a LB. It optimizes the talent that people come to see.

If you are hung up on tradition, then consider the change of tradition of raising the pitchers mound. Could Babe Ruth as fat and non-muscular as he was, hit the 98 mph fast balls we see regularly today with the higher mounds? Ask any pitcher and they say the modern speeds come from higher mounds. Babe Ruth never had to hit against rocket balls like hitters do today.

Just my 2 cents.

Ramy

Jul 11, 2009

TNGTony said:
The rules change for BOTH teams. Each team gets home games so there is no disadvantage.

I ask all you DH proponents again, why not have a designated hitting team and a defensive team? What is the difference between having a DH for a pitcher and having a DH for a great SS with a weak bat? Or a fabulous veteran catcher with no knees left to run the bases? Or an outfielder with a rocket arm and great skills and a propensity to strike out?

Or even more outlandish... a designated runner (DR) for slow players with good bats? This is a SERIOUS question. Why not? If one is a good thing, why not the others?

This is a serious question? If you are for a pitcher's DH, how can you be against a completely different offensive team and defensive team?

"I hate seeing pitchers hit"

I hate seeing bad hitters (sub .250) try to hit and being left in the game because they are great defensive players! (not really--but it's the same silly statement)

Babe Ruth had a designated runner at one time.

jbernardi

Jul 11, 2009

I'm totally against the DH. It dumbs down baseball. It removes one of the classic managerial situations. (Do I remove a pitcher who's throwing well because we need a hit here?)

TNGTony

Jul 11, 2009

ramy said:
Babe Ruth had a designated runner at one time.

A designated "pinch runner" maybe. Sammy Byrd. Once Babe came out of the game, he wasn't allowed back in. AFAIK the rest is a myth.

A designated runner would have the ability to run the bases every time, even from home plate. (Pinch runner from home plate is currently only allowed if a player hits a home run and on the way to first is injured or incapacitated --eg Faints, breaks his ankle on a gopher hole on the way to first) then the hitter could come back up and hit for himself once his turn at bat came back up.

See ya
Tony

DodgerKing

Jul 11, 2009

ramy said:
Babe Ruth had a designated runner at one time.

Babe Ruth was actually a sleak footed fast outfielder as well. Most people see his big belly and think that guy was not very athletic. The dude could actually run pretty well.

Paul Wozniak

Jul 11, 2009

rittjc said:
I am for the DH. I don't want to see pitchers injure themselves (i.e. Wang-Yankees) running bases. I want to see pitchers pitch without a rally-buster hitter (i.e. the pitcher) that couldn't hit the Mendoza line in his best season.

I know all the arguments against the DH. "Everybody plays everybody hits". But, by the exact same logic you can expose another arbitrary hypocrisy and turn it around and say that everybody bats, so everybody pitches. Every player should have 1 inning of pitching. It is the same "balance" issue to the game because pitching is far more difficult than hitting. Don't punish teams with good pitchers by making them be pulled from a game to get a potential "critical hit" in a 0-0 game. It rewards poor hitters and punishes good pitchers. How is that fair? Same could be said of rotating through all specialist positions from catcher to outfielder like they do in volleyball. It makes no sense.

But, I don't want to watch football and see a QB be forced to play linebacker and the seemingly "less professional" defense that would display. Every position in football has a specialist so we don't have to see a QB trying to be a LB. It optimizes the talent that people come to see.

If you are hung up on tradition, then consider the change of tradition of raising the pitchers mound. Could Babe Ruth as fat and non-muscular as he was, hit the 98 mph fast balls we see regularly today with the higher mounds? Ask any pitcher and they say the modern speeds come from higher mounds. Babe Ruth never had to hit against rocket balls like hitters do today.

Just my 2 cents.

The mound was actually lowered 6" in the late 60's, (I believe the timeline to be somewhere about then).

TheTimm

Jul 11, 2009

I like the DH exactly how it is. One league with it and one league without it. People who like it can watch the league with it, people who hate it can watch the league without it. Works for me.

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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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