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Need help deciding on a HD DVR

Hey guys, just signed up for the site, been a lurker for years. I had some questions regarding upgrading to a HD DVR. First post so please bear with me.

I currently have two vip211's, one for hdtv upstairs, and one for hdtv downstairs. I was deciding between a 612 or a 722. The hddvr is going to replace the vip211 on the downstairs hdtv.

Questions:

If I get the 722, could I just use it for single mode instead of dual mode? Wouldn't mind the extra HDD space and PIP function.

Also, if I did decide to use the 722 for dual mode, I was thinking of using a RF transmitter/receiver to output to the second hdtv upstairs.
I understand that the TV2 output is 480i, etc, but here is where i was confused (might be a dumb question so please no flaming lol), would I still keep the vip211 i have upstairs and use the tv2 output from the 722 on another input on my hdtv? How exactly does that work because I still want to be able to view HD programming upstairs.

Finally, would there be any additional installation that would be needed to run a 722? I currently have classic 200 hd with locals, intl programming, and am running a DP44 switch.

Ideally, this is what I would like:
1. If I get 612, then self-explanatory. One hddvr functionality downstairs.
2. If I get 722, either single mode downstairs and hd programming upstairs via vip211, or dual mode with wireless output to upstairs tv and still having hd programming on upstairs tv. Of course this second scenario is contingent on still being able to receive hd programming upstairs.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I am a noob, so I apologize in advance if I asked any asinine questions. Thanks in advance to all those who reply!


EDIT: Ok so I called up Dish and the CSR I spoke to said that if I wanted dualmode output, I could get a 622 instead of the 722, only difference being recording time capabilities. I dont even see the 622 on dishnetwork.com. Any pros/cons on the 622 vs the 722? Thoughts or comments please?
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Liquidforce88
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Why not just get External hard drives for both of your 211's. Pay a one time fee of $40.00 for each and have an HD DVR on both TV's with no DVR fee's.
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Liquidforce88 said:
Why not just get External hard drives for both of your 211's. Pay a one time fee of $40.00 for each and have an HD DVR on both TV's with no DVR fee's.
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Wouldn't I need an HDDVR to be able to record to an external HDD? I cannot record using the 211.

Could you clarify what you were saying? I know that I could record to an external HDD and then use that on my 211 upstairs, but I would still need to get a hddvr, probably the 612 instead of the 722.

Thanks for the response! take care!

EDIT: wait i re-read your response. are you saying that if i paid the 40 dollar fee and got an external HDD, i could record programming from my 211? I didnt know that the 211 could do that.
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lakebum431
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Yes that is correct. You will be able to record with the single tuner on the 211 (ie you won't be able to record one thing and watch another or record two things at once.
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THE5RIVERS said:
Wouldn't I need an HDDVR to be able to record to an external HDD? I cannot record using the 211.

Could you clarify what you were saying? I know that I could record to an external HDD and then use that on my 211 upstairs, but I would still need to get a hddvr, probably the 612 instead of the 722.

Thanks for the response! take care!

EDIT: wait i re-read your response. are you saying that if i paid the 40 dollar fee and got an external HDD, i could record programming from my 211? I didnt know that the 211 could do that.
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Yes the 211 can be activated for an EHD for $40. The EHD will be able to be taken from one 211 to the other or you could get an EHD for each. One time charge. You will not be able to use an EHD from the 612/622/722 with the 211. They are not compatible.

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lakebum431 said:
Yes that is correct. You will be able to record with the single tuner on the 211 (ie you won't be able to record one thing and watch another or record two things at once.
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teachsac said:
You can record one sat and one OTA channel at the same time. You can watch something prerecorded off the EHD while recording a sat and/or OTA. You can watch OTA while recording a sat and vice-versa. you just can't watch another sat channel while recording a sat channel or OTA while recording an OTA.

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I appreciate the responses guys. I think I am going to be getting either the 622 or 722. I am trying to figure out how this RF transmitter/receiver (RF Link AVS-5811) works, because I am going to be keeping my 211 upstairs so that I can still watch HD programming upstairs, and just receive the tv2 output from the hddvr wirelessly so that I have the option of watching any recorded material. Going to search to see if anyone has used a RF transmitter/receiver to output TV2 to another tv. Thanks again guys!!
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THE5RIVERS said:
I am trying to figure out how this RF transmitter/receiver (RF Link AVS-5811) works, because I am going to be keeping my 211 upstairs so that I can still watch HD programming upstairs, and just receive the tv2 output from the hddvr wirelessly so that I have the option of watching any recorded material. Going to search to see if anyone has used a RF transmitter/receiver to output TV2 to another tv. Thanks again guys!!
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Looks like it will work with your setup, as others have commented. Read some reviews on the product:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/RF-Link-AVS-5811-5-8GHz-Transmission-Repeater/dp/B0002EXJ8Y"]Amazon.com: RF-Link AVS-5811 5.8GHz Audio and Video Transmission System with IR?@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410VBtVGP2L.@@AMEPARAM@@410VBtVGP2L[/ame]

Transmits from your sat-box to wherever you put the receiver. Just make sure your TV has the RCA inputs for analog audio/video. You ought to be able to use the TV#2 remote for the sat-box with no issues.

Just go with the ViP722, it's the same as the 622 but black and with a larger HD. I doubt you really get to choose - you probably just get what they give you.
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bebop said:
Looks like it will work with your setup, as others have commented. Read some reviews on the product:

Amazon.com: RF-Link AVS-5811 5.8GHz Audio and Video Transmission System with IR Repeater: Electronics

Transmits from your sat-box to wherever you put the receiver. Just make sure your TV has the RCA inputs for analog audio/video. You ought to be able to use the TV#2 remote for the sat-box with no issues.

Just go with the ViP722, it's the same as the 622 but black and with a larger HD. I doubt you really get to choose - you probably just get what they give you.
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Yea i was reading those reviews too. Looked like it would work from what I read. And yea I have some A/V in on my tv so it should be good to go.

I called Dish back and asked for the 722 and they said $125.00, or I could get the 622 for free. I figured that I dont want to pay 125 to get the 722 when I could just pay 40 dollars and use an EHD which could be any capacity I want.

Thank you all for the responses!
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sure about dat?

teachsac said:
Yes the 211 can be activated for an EHD for $40. The EHD will be able to be taken from one 211 to the other or you could get an EHD for each. One time charge. You will not be able to use an EHD from the 612/622/722 with the 211. They are not compatible.

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I've not heard that a HDD used on a 211 isn't compatible with the other VIP units before. Are you sure about that & why would that be they are all VIP units that encryt the output to the EHDD.
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whatchel1 said:
I've not heard that a HDD used on a 211 isn't compatible with the other VIP units before. Are you sure about that & why would that be they are all VIP units that encryt the output to the EHDD.
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It's for sure and because of two different software bases. The 211 needs to become a DVR, whereas the others already are.
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whatchel1 said:
I've not heard that a HDD used on a 211 isn't compatible with the other VIP units before. Are you sure about that & why would that be they are all VIP units that encryt the output to the EHDD.
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Yeap. As KAB said. They use a different software platform.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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SpaceX boldly goes into 'huge' 5G network rollout with Qualcomm

After trying satellites and small cells, Elon Musk's SpaceX is to build a terrestrial mobile network across tens of thousands of sites with Qualcomm.
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AT&T, T-Mobile Are Reportedly Ready To Boot Boost Mobile If SpaceX Buys It

Semafor’s Rohan Goswami said that AT&T and T-Mobile have discussed removing Boost Mobile from their networks if SpaceX acquires the EchoStar unit, creating a potential obstacle to Elon Musk’s push to become a major U.S. wireless carrier.
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For your viewing pleasure...
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AT&T, T-Mobile Are Reportedly Ready To Boot Boost Mobile If SpaceX Buys It

Semafor’s Rohan Goswami said that AT&T and T-Mobile have discussed removing Boost Mobile from their networks if SpaceX acquires the EchoStar unit, creating a potential obstacle to Elon Musk’s push to become a major U.S. wireless carrier.
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That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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comfortably_numb said:
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
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That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
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They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
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Bruce said:
www.lightreading.com

SpaceX boldly goes into 'huge' 5G network rollout with Qualcomm

After trying satellites and small cells, Elon Musk's SpaceX is to build a terrestrial mobile network across tens of thousands of sites with Qualcomm.
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Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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comfortably_numb said:
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
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Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal
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Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
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Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
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That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
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Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
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Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
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Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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Juan said:
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
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Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
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There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Updated to H715 on a Hopper 3 from H713

After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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dishstaller said:
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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That brought tears to my eyes.
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Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.
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Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


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dishstaller
dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


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This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


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Juan
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
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