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TheForce
Verizon recently announced effective March 2nd that the limit on all 3G services that were previously "unlimited" will be limited to 5GB for the base rate and any overage will be at $.49 per Mb. AT&T and Sprint also have adopted the 5Gb limit for all 3G "unlimited" data plans but said they will work with any customers who go over for the month.

At this time I suggest you all ignore anyone who advises you there is no limit or these rules don't apply and at least be aware of your usage as you can see on the website for your account and if you are running close, contact Verizon to see where you stand.


I think I am a power user by most standards and I typically average 3.5 - 4 Gb per month on my phone. I use my phone far more for data than talk.

I poll e-mail every 5 minutes and poll about 25 RSS feeds including many podcasts, plus monitor sling CNBC and Bloomberg all day. That runs things up. If I get too close to the limit, I'll have to get off my butt and switch these bandwidth hogs to wifi.
JAG72
Verizon recently announced effective March 2nd that the limit on all 3G services that were previously "unlimited" will be limited to 5GB for the base rate and any overage will be at $.49 per Mb. AT&T and Sprint also have adopted the 5Gb limit for all 3G "unlimited" data plans but said they will work with any customers who go over for the month.

Source for the AT&T and Sprint change. Until my Sprint bill changes from saying Unlimited to 5GB then as far as I am concerned there is no cap on my service.
TheForce
Source for the AT&T and Sprint change. Until my Sprint bill changes from saying Unlimited to 5GB then as far as I am concerned there is no cap on my service.


FYI- On the Verizonwireless website they have removed all references to the word "unlimited" and now post all data limits at 5 Gb or less per plan with a definition of what a Gb is.

5 GB (5,120 MB)
of data usage for
Internet access


Sprint: also has eliminated the reference to "unlimited" in their 3G plan offerings:

They still reference "unlimited" for the 4G laptop device

With this plan and your Mobile Broadband device, you have instant Internet access wherever you go on the Sprint Mobile Broadband Network.
This plan includes

* 5 GB/mo. in total or 300 MB/mo. while off-network roaming. (1024 kb=1MB. 1024 MB=1 GB)
* Additional monthly usage over 5 GB costs 5¢/MB. You may not use more than 300 MB/mo. while off-network roaming. You can check your usage online anytime. Log into www.sprint.com/mysprint and click on usage details.
* International data roaming may incur additional charges.
* Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred. See what you can do with 5GB or 300MB a month.
* Learn more about what's included in this plan


AT&T: Had trouble finding their plans but for laptops only:

DataConnect 5 GB

* Rate Plan Details
* Features

Rate Plan Details
Included Data 5 GB
Additional data $0.05 per MB
Canadian Data $0.015/KB
International Data $0.0195/KB


For cell phones with data plans I had to dig deep into the fine print of the TOS contracts for this paragraph:

DataConnect Plans: DataConnect plans may ONLY be used with AT&T certified Laptop Connect (PC Data) Cards and other devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). On Data Connect Plans with a monthly megabyte (MB) or gigabyte (GB) allowance, once you exceed your monthly allowance you will be automatically charged for overage as specified in the applicable rate plan information (generally per Kb for any data used or a fee for additional MB allowances to be used during the month). All data allowances must be used in the billing period in which the allowance is provided. We may, at our discretion, suspend your account if we believe your data usage is excessive, unusual or is better suited to another rate plan. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly MB/GB allowance and additional data usage rates, you agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month; provided that, prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your Service.

Note- Bold was mine:

Also in Bold on their TOS they had a whole list of prohibited uses for their data plans- to include but not limited to video broadcast from a PC to redirect TV programming, P2P connections, and tethering.


So as of now, it appears that the word "unlimited" has all but disappeared from these three carriers. Only AT&T is a bit cryptic about this by not posting specific limits of 5Gb on their plans web page.

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Forgot to mention about Sprint- When I was first advised that the 5Gb limit did not apply to cell phones or PDA's, only laptop devices ( last October), I went in and checked this out at a local Sprint store. I was told this is confusing but untrue. The data rate for non-internet usage is still unlimited on the Sprint PDA's and phones but for internet data it is the same limitation as for laptops. In addition, Sprint store manager explained that this was an FCC mandate for all carriers selling 3G service but it did not include 4G and that was still unlimited. If you have a PDA phone or internet surfing data connection it is subject to the FCC limit of 5Gb.
LER
LER
I believe the 5GB max on Sprint 3G ONLY applies to Data Cards, and not phones.

On my usage page:
Data/Others Included Used Remaining Additional Used Additional Charges
Sprint Data Unlimited 212302 Unlimited -- --

that's just my phone.
TheForce
Just got back from the Verizon store and got some new info on this 5Gb cap. According to the store manager, Verizon will grandfather in anyone who has an older plan with "unlimited" Apparently my TP2 has this older plan.

But, the reason I was in there is because I plan to completely revamp my accounts to a family plan from a business plan soon. The bad news I will lose that grandfathered no limt data plan. The good news is by restructuring my service on all three of my lines, I will save $200 a month.

Seems there are lots of changes surfacing that heats up the rate war among the cell carriers.
JAG72
Sprint: also has eliminated the reference to "unlimited" in their 3G plan offerings:

They still reference "unlimited" for the 4G laptop device

Edit-
Forgot to mention about Sprint- When I was first advised that the 5Gb limit did not apply to cell phones or PDA's, only laptop devices ( last October), I went in and checked this out at a local Sprint store. I was told this is confusing but untrue. The data rate for non-internet usage is still unlimited on the Sprint PDA's and phones but for internet data it is the same limitation as for laptops. In addition, Sprint store manager explained that this was an FCC mandate for all carriers selling 3G service but it did not include 4G and that was still unlimited. If you have a PDA phone or internet surfing data connection it is subject to the FCC limit of 5Gb.

FYI - Sprint still has plenty references to their 3G data plans being unlimited. This has to be for the tethering plans only.

http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASA...lans_Filter&id12=CHP_PlansTab_Link_SharePlans

Everything Data Family - with Any Mobile, AnytimeSM

Unlimited data: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Music Premier, TV Premier, NFL Mobile Live and NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM

If this is a FCC mandate then there should be some documentation out there. I personally call BS on this one as why would the FCC care if they offered unlimited data or not.
SatinKzo
All I know is I am not worried about any 5gb data limit on my everything family plan. This same spat of 5gb caps went round and round a year ago and even with all the fuzzy wording out there, in the end, it only applied to the data card plans and had nothing to do with the phones.

I also cannot find FCC statements regarding anything to do with 3g data. To me that is a another carrier cop-out similar to the "bandwidth shortage" created by the HSI providers to justify caps and extra fees.

Don, I think the verbiage is confusing. Mobile Broadband in the past only referred to the data cards, not the phones. Now carriers could have changed it, but this certainly would be a TOS change and if they started applying this to the phones, we would have all gotten notices and the forums would be abuzz about it, which they are not. I would even bet you'd see stuff on engadget and other sites.

Btw, if you search sprints online customer service forums (which are monitored by sprint reps and they actively post on them), the 5gb caps are only referenced with data cards, not a single thing about data capable phones.

Edit:

Just got done with online chat with sprint rep, they confirmed what I have in an email from earlier this month

You: Can you clarify the 5gb data cap
Kate: The 5GB cap only applies to data cards or PAM plans, not data capable phones.
You: What about tethering?
Kate: Tethering would be a PAM option unless you used 3rd party software to enable tethering, in which case it would be at Sprint's discretion if you violated your TOS of your phones data plan. Also please noted, no caps exist on the 4G network, just 3G.
You: Thanks, just wanted to check.
Kate: Thank you for choosing Sprint.

Now I use my phone alot, but honestly I have only reached 5gb + a few times in the years I've had a smartphone with sprint. But I'm sure if sprint saw my usage all of a sudden jump it would cause a flag in their system. For me, it's pretty hard to hit 5gb of phone data, whereas using a datacard or tethering, it's would be relatively easy to hit the cap with just normal use and loading non-mobile optimized websites and downloading (I don't do much downloading of items to my phone and what I do download is very small phone related stuff)
TheForce
I personally call BS on this one as why would the FCC care if they offered unlimited data or not.

That's what I was told by SPRINT store manager! Something about a power play by AT&T to get this cap the same for all carriers.


Satinkzo-
Like you, I have not seen any docs from FCC but then I haven't looked that hard either. However, I have been getting more and more validation that the 5Gb data limit IS definitely for all data plans and Verizon and Sprint have told me it applies to all. Obviously Sprint people do not relate the same story. Figures! It was good you specifically addressed the issue of tethering. I thought the answer in the chat was excellent.

In my case with Verizon, the limit hasn't applied due to a grandfathering on the laptop card they claim I'm allowed. When reviewed, I did exceed the limit on my laptop twice which was due to watching sling player. On my cell phone, I poll e-mail every 5 minutes and download it as well as RSS services and download several 15-50 Mb podcasts per day and stream media while the phone is docked. That runs it up. Consequently, this subject is important to me.


"Mobile broadband device" Seems Sprint and Verizon define it differently. Sprint, it appears by your interpretation, determines the application of the 5Gb limit based on the device using the data while Verizon determines the application of the limit based on the plan and how long you had it, new plans have the 5Gb limit and old plans are grandfathered, but apply to all devices, PDAs, smartphones, and laptop cards and myfi devices. Well, mifi devices aren't old enough. :)
Scott Greczkowski
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The following is from Reddit. -
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/s/orzHBkmqQW


gemini.webp

There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/
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Scott Greczkowski
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
Tom Speer
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price model, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrange model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disable all HDR.
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b4pjoe
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price mode, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrannge model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disble all HDR.
I agree with that. The 2 LGs that we have Gemini's on looks far better with HDR enabled then it does with HDR off.
R
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.
That would be a deal-breaker for me. The Rokus default to having it on all the time but it's easy enough to change that to native. If the content is HDR it goes on. Otherwise, no.
R
I don't mind HDR being on as long as its adaptive. I don't need HDR on non-HDR content

Also, God only knows how much it'll cost to get this per month. 10 bucks a month for 3 TVs in my apartment is not worth it if I can just use my android boxes and appletv to watch
b4pjoe
I don't mind HDR being on as long as its adaptive. I don't need HDR on non-HDR content

Also, God only knows how much it'll cost to get this per month. 10 bucks a month for 3 TVs in my apartment is not worth it if I can just use my android boxes and appletv to watch
It is not adaptive. HDR is either always on or off. No in between. However with my Gemini on satellite everything looks much better with HDR on.
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Gary Toma
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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jamieh1
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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K
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
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The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
WINK-D3 (Weather) for Fort Myers

https://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-...st-partnership-with-wink-in-southwest-florida
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Nov 04 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Nov 04 2026 vs Oct 28 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:


2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13
Net 15 TID 17 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D15@103ca, TPN 18

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
266​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
144​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
-1​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
56​
18​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
Reshuffle setup ?
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 11/04/2026:
K
Prep for More TPN swaps

NewsMix -> ElectionHQ

MLBEI -> NBALP in the 740s

No sign of the additional CW affiliates that were added to stream a few weeks ago
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WINK-D3 (Weather) for Fort Myers
WINK-D3 Fort Myers is testing on the stream server
R
WINK-D3 Fort Myers is testing on the stream server
Could be for the Heat since they have the rights to that.

Its always a surprise to see DTV carry subchannels...
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osu1991
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Foxbat
James Spader gets the best lines so far. I'm enjoying this series.
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osu1991
Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.
Foxbat
Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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Foxbat
I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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osu1991
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin
Bobby
Wait (The Whisper Song) - Ying Yang Twins
harshness
I Can't Wait - Nu Shooz
gms49ers
Shooz - Styx
dishstaller
Too Much Time on My Hands - Styx
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
Nebugeater
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.


Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed
Bruce
Bruce
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

M
Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week :)
Foxbat
Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
dfergie
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teachsac
Dang. That had to hurt. I would have not handled it that well. Surprised it wasn't brought up by Heff at the challenge.
dfergie
First rule - if you get a clue follow it immediately, 2nd - keep your stuff with you in a strange place, 3rd - pay attention to your ride... (pre first - don't go if you think you might not want to stay Rob)
teachsac
Loved the tribal🤣
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Happy with the outcome, he was annoying...