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n1wbd
n1wbd
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Your thoughts on tonight's tech forum.

First off let me say DISH and Sling has been coming out with some great equipment this past year.

But I'd like to make a few observations or constructive criticisms if you will.

In the beginning Dish and Directv's business plan IMHO was to serve the rural parts of the US that had no cable service available. Your only option at the time for cable type programming was to get a C/Ku dish. Dish and Directv hit a home run when they started their services.

I myself started with Dish in 1998 and have been with them ever since. A simple single dish and receiver and very low cost programming is fantastic. Dish has again IMO has always beat Directv when it came to monthly costs etc.

Lately though they have started expand their product lines to include Sling Products and other products that cater to those that have Broadband Internet available to them and I don't mean Satellite Internet. I believe Satellite Internet customers especially in rural areas that have no other option area are at a disadvantage with latency and fair access policy issues which does'nt allow those customers to take full advantage of all the options such as VOD etc.

It's seems at least IMO Dish is turning away from there "core customers" and that is those of us in rural America that have no cable or dsl or even cell phone service by introducing these other accessories that depend on a broadband connection. Keep in mind all these accessories are fantastic until you lose your broadband for whatever reason and then these devices are nothing more than a doorstop that will not work.

What I'd like to see Dish do in the future is to introduce more features to their receivers (and not just their top of the line receivers) that work with all customers not just those with broadband.

Also those that do have Sling Equipment have you ran into any issues with those Cable/Broadband companies with fair access policies where the company has throttled you back because you have watch too much tv and used alot of bandwidth and or data?

What do you think?

Bob
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tigerfan33
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Dish bought Sling a while back. That's why you see them push their products.

I have AT&T and have no problem with my Sling.
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n1wbd
n1wbd
Thats great and thats all well and good but there forgetting about those without ANY broadband availabilty. Yes I know there is Satellite ISP's available but I think you'll find the majority of the Sling Products won't work well if at all.

Broadband penetration in the US is approx only 60% of the country.




tigerfan33 said:
Dish bought Sling a while back. That's why you see them push their products.

I have AT&T and have no problem with my Sling.
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the mack
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move out of the sticks fellas
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JDGJr
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move out of the sticks fellas
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hell no, i just got here... and I plan to stay.

I see the point of the OP, and i also wish Dish would work on expanding the functionality of their receivers instead of developing new add-on products. But Charlie and company are all about making money and seem to move on to new boxes as soon as some of the bugs are worked out of the current ones. Or E* develops another plugin box so they can charge me additional monthly fees to see recorded shows on other TVs.
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whatchel1
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Why?

n1wbd said:
Thats great and thats all well and good but there forgetting about those without ANY broadband availabilty. Yes I know there is Satellite ISP's available but I think you'll find the majority of the Sling Products won't work well if at all.

Broadband penetration in the US is approx only 60% of the country.
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And why is it you think that it won't work w/ sat broadband? It takes very little to send a request to E* that can be done via the lowly phone line. Then the download of the program VOD can come down at the highest rate your sat ISP can provide.
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n1wbd
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Well if you ck out the various sat broadband companies fair access policies I believe you'll see that one's total data allowed to be downloaded per month would'nt take much to exceed your monthly limit if you watch a lot of VOD especially 1080p movies not to mention your normal internet surfing on top of that.


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And why is it you think that it won't work w/ sat broadband? It takes very little to send a request to E* that can be done via the lowly phone line. Then the download of the program VOD can come down at the highest rate your sat ISP can provide.
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n1wbd
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Exactly, darn I wish they had kept the Dishplayer I always thought for what it was. A great receiver/DVR/webtv box I had one for years and it ran great and was a webtv subscriber I loved the GUI they used and heck I even made my own website with it and the wireless keyboard years ago. Too bad Microsoft stopped supporting their portion of the unit. Newer models could have incorporated a choice for those that wanted to use it for accessing the net by adding a ethernet card and gave the customer a choice either to use dialup or broadband.

So what else would I like to see??? Well the older VIP 211 and 222 and 501 and 508 510 etc. could use a bit of a update on the GUI's. Think of it as throwing on a new coat of paint. I would'nt think it would be all that hard to do. Maybe improve on some of the current features the older receivers have. Think of it as like updating your OS on your computer.

All and all I am a loyal supporter of Dish since 1998 and have no plans to switch even if cable came to town here in the sticks. Cable just can't compete no matter how hard they try.





JDGJr said:
hell no, i just got here... and I plan to stay.

I see the point of the OP, and i also wish Dish would work on expanding the functionality of their receivers instead of developing new add-on products. But Charlie and company are all about making money and seem to move on to new boxes as soon as some of the bugs are worked out of the current ones. Or E* develops another plugin box so they can charge me additional monthly fees to see recorded shows on other TVs.
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n1wbd said:
Exactly, darn I wish they had kept the Dishplayer I always thought for what it was. A great receiver/DVR/webtv box I had one for years and it ran great and was a webtv subscriber I loved the GUI they used and heck I even made my own website with it and the wireless keyboard years ago. Too bad Microsoft stopped supporting their portion of the unit. Newer models could have incorporated a choice for those that wanted to use it for accessing the net by adding a ethernet card and gave the customer a choice either to use dialup or broadband.

So what else would I like to see??? Well the older VIP 211 and 222 and 501 and 508 510 etc. could use a bit of a update on the GUI's. Think of it as throwing on a new coat of paint. I would'nt think it would be all that hard to do. Maybe improve on some of the current features the older receivers have. Think of it as like updating your OS on your computer.

All and all I am a loyal supporter of Dish since 1998 and have no plans to switch even if cable came to town here in the sticks. Cable just can't compete no matter how hard they try.
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Once MPEG4 rolls out completely ALL those old boxes will be door stops. So upgrades to guide appearance ETC is probably a waste of money and time, besides opening the door to NEW BUGS:(
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n1wbd said:
Exactly, darn I wish they had kept the Dishplayer I always thought for what it was. A great receiver/DVR/webtv box I had one for years and it ran great and was a webtv subscriber I loved the GUI they used and heck I even made my own website with it and the wireless keyboard years ago. Too bad Microsoft stopped supporting their portion of the unit. Newer models could have incorporated a choice for those that wanted to use it for accessing the net by adding a ethernet card and gave the customer a choice either to use dialup or broadband.

So what else would I like to see??? Well the older VIP 211 and 222 and 501 and 508 510 etc. could use a bit of a update on the GUI's. Think of it as throwing on a new coat of paint. I would'nt think it would be all that hard to do. Maybe improve on some of the current features the older receivers have. Think of it as like updating your OS on your computer.

All and all I am a loyal supporter of Dish since 1998 and have no plans to switch even if cable came to town here in the sticks. Cable just can't compete no matter how hard they try.
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So, your hope is that they continue to upgrade MPEG2 receivers? Why? Their focus needs to be making MPEG4 receivers better so people will switch to them, making the eventual MPEG4 transition easier. I believe trying to improve an MPEG2 receiver would be like trying to improve on the VCR. No reason to improve on the obsolete technology.

And is the VIP 211/222 GUI really that different than the 622/722? It has been 3 years since I used a 211, but I remember it was similar.
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n1wbd
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Well if the current receivers "are'nt broke don't fix them" whether it's older MPEG2 receivers or MPEG4 receivers. Yes I agree when they breakdown replace them with newer models but don't force subs to shell out more money for something they don't need if they are happy with their current setups. If anything if Dish wants to dump MPEG2 altogether then switch them out to MPEG4 receivers for free.

Just my opinion. :)



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So, your hope is that they continue to upgrade MPEG2 receivers? Why? Their focus needs to be making MPEG4 receivers better so people will switch to them, making the eventual MPEG4 transition easier. I believe trying to improve an MPEG2 receiver would be like trying to improve on the VCR. No reason to improve on the obsolete technology.

And is the VIP 211/222 GUI really that different than the 622/722? It has been 3 years since I used a 211, but I remember it was similar.
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Foxbat
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
www.apple.com

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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navychop
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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slow_poke_pete said:
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
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No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Edq2eavsQ


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Space 232
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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oRVxjGm0qtE


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Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


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Direct YouTube Link - Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!
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The Apple HomeView

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0k5iT-OlpdE


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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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dishstaller
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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dishstaller
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Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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Project Hail Mary

If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!


View: https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI



Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
www.ign.com

'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
www.ign.com

'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.
www.ign.com www.ign.com
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That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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