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flabyboy

Last reply Jun 15, 2010 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Question about switching to Directv

So currently I am a Dish Network customer. I have a VIP 722 receiver. I had one HD set and one standard set, but the standard set bit the dust last week. Enter the second HD TV. Dish is going to charge me $200 for a second HD DVR plus $7 more a month for HD service to the second set.

I am thinking about switching to Directv and doing the whole home DVR service. My understand is I will only need 1 HD DVR and one HD receiver and I will have both HD content and DVR services on both my sets. Not sure how this works but sounds good to me. The only thing that will be tough is getting a second cable into my house from the satellite since my utility room is in the center of my house and the basement is fully finished. The Dish network guy did it 2 yrs ago and it wasn't too bad.

Anyway, what HD DVR receiver and HD receiver should I get as a new customer. What do they typically give out? Should I demand the newest and best now while I have some leverage or will I have to pay a lot extra? My experience with these companies is they take care of their new customers, but once they got your contract, your stuck with the old equipment for a long time.

The lady on the phone said I would be getting the HR 21, some research tells me this is not the newest model. What are your opinions? Any help appreciated

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joed32

Jun 14, 2010

MRV runs over the coax with a DECA set up. It doesn't need to be connected to the internet at all. If you want to use VOD you do need to be connected to a router. The DECA install won't be free it's kind of pricey. Most pay $150 + $25 and some newbies are charged another $50. Long term customers usually only $100 total.

R0ss

Jun 15, 2010

flabyboy said:
So currently I am a Dish Network customer. I have a VIP 722 receiver. I had one HD set and one standard set, but the standard set bit the dust last week. Enter the second HD TV. Dish is going to charge me $200 for a second HD DVR plus $7 more a month for HD service to the second set.

I am thinking about switching to Directv and doing the whole home DVR service. My understand is I will only need 1 HD DVR and one HD receiver and I will have both HD content and DVR services on both my sets. Not sure how this works but sounds good to me. The only thing that will be tough is getting a second cable into my house from the satellite since my utility room is in the center of my house and the basement is fully finished. The Dish network guy did it 2 yrs ago and it wasn't too bad.

Anyway, what HD DVR receiver and HD receiver should I get as a new customer. What do they typically give out? Should I demand the newest and best now while I have some leverage or will I have to pay a lot extra? My experience with these companies is they take care of their new customers, but once they got your contract, your stuck with the old equipment for a long time.

The lady on the phone said I would be getting the HR 21, some research tells me this is not the newest model. What are your opinions? Any help appreciated

Hi,
Just curious what receiver did you request when you called Dish? The only one I am aware of that might cost $200.00 for an upgrade is a VIP922 and unless you plan on watching TV away from home, and have really good broadband upload speeds it's probably not what you are looking for. If you have DHPP and are a customer that has been paying on time, especially auto pay, you should be able to up grade/add a receiver for a lot less than that. You should be able to add a 211K single room HD receiver for $50. This receiver can be turned into a DVR by adding an external HD and paying dish the one time $40.00 activation fee. Note that if you already have an EHD on your 722 you can not swap them back and forth. Also there is no additional fee for HD service over and above what you are already paying to dish (if you qualify you should be receiving HD for life at this point any way which eliminated the $10/month HD fee. You would still pay the $10.00 for platinum service as that is extra). You will pay a monthly lease fee for the second receiver.
Just a thought,and of course I have no idea what your TV viewing habits are, but will you spend enough time watching your 2nd tv to justify either switching to Direct or adding an HD receiver from Dish to make it worth it? I guess what I am saying is if you didn't feel it necessary to upgrade your second TV 2 years ago when you had Dish installed then maybe having HD on your second set isn't that big a deal??? We currently have a 722 hooked up to an HD set in the den and we also have an hd set as TV 2 however we don't spend enough time watching tv2 to justify the extra cost of an HD receiver for that TV. Just an opinon

Good Luck in what ever you decide

Ross

DodgerKing

Jun 15, 2010

Do you need to use a DECA? Can I just connect an either cable from both receivers to my router?

sundrop

Jun 15, 2010

joed32 said:
MRV runs over the coax with a DECA set up. It doesn't need to be connected to the internet at all. If you want to use VOD you do need to be connected to a router. The DECA install won't be free it's kind of pricey. Most pay $150 + $25 and some newbies are charged another $50. Long term customers usually only $100 total.

Deca was included free with my new install. This was installed less than 2 weeks ago. I just ordered MRV and they installed a DECA downstairs by the HR24

flabyboy

Jun 15, 2010

R0ss said:
Hi,
Just curious what receiver did you request when you called Dish? The only one I am aware of that might cost $200.00 for an upgrade is a VIP922 and unless you plan on watching TV away from home, and have really good broadband upload speeds it's probably not what you are looking for. If you have DHPP and are a customer that has been paying on time, especially auto pay, you should be able to up grade/add a receiver for a lot less than that. You should be able to add a 211K single room HD receiver for $50. This receiver can be turned into a DVR by adding an external HD and paying dish the one time $40.00 activation fee. Note that if you already have an EHD on your 722 you can not swap them back and forth. Also there is no additional fee for HD service over and above what you are already paying to dish (if you qualify you should be receiving HD for life at this point any way which eliminated the $10/month HD fee. You would still pay the $10.00 for platinum service as that is extra). You will pay a monthly lease fee for the second receiver.
Just a thought,and of course I have no idea what your TV viewing habits are, but will you spend enough time watching your 2nd tv to justify either switching to Direct or adding an HD receiver from Dish to make it worth it? I guess what I am saying is if you didn't feel it necessary to upgrade your second TV 2 years ago when you had Dish installed then maybe having HD on your second set isn't that big a deal??? We currently have a 722 hooked up to an HD set in the den and we also have an hd set as TV 2 however we don't spend enough time watching tv2 to justify the extra cost of an HD receiver for that TV. Just an opinon

Good Luck in what ever you decide

Ross

$200 for VIP 722 and $500 for 922. Plus an extra $7/month for the extra receiver. I called 3 different times just to make sure.

flabyboy

Jun 15, 2010

R0ss said:
Hi,
Just curious what receiver did you request when you called Dish? The only one I am aware of that might cost $200.00 for an upgrade is a VIP922 and unless you plan on watching TV away from home, and have really good broadband upload speeds it's probably not what you are looking for. If you have DHPP and are a customer that has been paying on time, especially auto pay, you should be able to up grade/add a receiver for a lot less than that. You should be able to add a 211K single room HD receiver for $50. This receiver can be turned into a DVR by adding an external HD and paying dish the one time $40.00 activation fee. Note that if you already have an EHD on your 722 you can not swap them back and forth. Also there is no additional fee for HD service over and above what you are already paying to dish (if you qualify you should be receiving HD for life at this point any way which eliminated the $10/month HD fee. You would still pay the $10.00 for platinum service as that is extra). You will pay a monthly lease fee for the second receiver.
Just a thought,and of course I have no idea what your TV viewing habits are, but will you spend enough time watching your 2nd tv to justify either switching to Direct or adding an HD receiver from Dish to make it worth it? I guess what I am saying is if you didn't feel it necessary to upgrade your second TV 2 years ago when you had Dish installed then maybe having HD on your second set isn't that big a deal??? We currently have a 722 hooked up to an HD set in the den and we also have an hd set as TV 2 however we don't spend enough time watching tv2 to justify the extra cost of an HD receiver for that TV. Just an opinon

Good Luck in what ever you decide

Ross

Having Hd on the 2nd set is a big deal to me. It is the main reason I am doing this. Standard def just looks awful on an HD set and there is so much more HD content out there these days. Plus I get free install, a HDDVR, and HD receiver, a comparable package, $35 first 10 months than $45 months 10-12 and $55 for the second year. Pretty hard to beat. I am a sports junkie as well and Directv has a few more options. That being said. If he/she doesn't come to my door with a HR 24 and H24, I will most likely turn them away.

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Bruce

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Last reply 46 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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dishstaller

Oct 22, 2026

Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

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ncted

Oct 24, 2026

Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

brice52

Oct 24, 2026

ncted said:
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

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(((Garyd)))

Oct 24, 2026

brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration

The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

Bruce

Oct 25, 2026

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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brice52

Oct 25, 2026

(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.

I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one

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Bruce

Today at 8:28 AM

Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

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Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, Fiber soon after, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

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Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

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Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

I think the cable companies didnt either, back when they had no real competition in their footprint.

But today, for many, maybe even most, cable isnt the only choice, or even the best.

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Monday at 12:22 PM

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Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Yesterday at 12:15 PM

Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:16 PM

Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:54 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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renjy651

Today at 6:37 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
dish has new sats dtv does not

Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?

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