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Last reply Jul 5, 2010 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

HR21-700/H21 vs HR24/H24

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I did search and didn't see specific comparison. I've been a cable customer all of my life. I had read a lot about the HR24/H24 and decided it was time to switch. Directv.com only shows pictures of those boxes and I assumed ordering directly from them that I'd get those boxes - especially since I was ordering the whole house DVR service. They set up the euquipment today and I got a HR21-700/H21 combination - with a bunch of stupid DECA boxes hanging all over the place! I'm really disappointed. The 24 series is the only reason I switched and I'm stuck with technology from a year or two ago. So my question:

What are the big differnces between these 2? Should I even care? What sold me was the RF remote, which I found that the 21 series has, the hard drive capacity they advertise, which I haven't figured out how to verify, and of course the look and performance of the new box. The menu loads pretty slow. Even my crappy Scientific Atlanta DVR was more responsive. I also liked the built in DECA, but of couse the little adapters accomplish the same thing. Also, I thought the H24 was a little smaller which I liked for where I was placing it. Are the differences betweeen these two units worth worrying about or should i be happy with the 21 series?

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swzine

Jul 4, 2010

I called them today and they gave the same line they give everyone else - that they won't gaurantee any particular unit and if you want something specific then they tell you to go into a retailer. I understand their point of view that they have all kinds of equipment laying around, but I think their advertising is pretty misleading. On their website under equipment they really only show the new equipment. Their customer promise talks about cutting edge technology. While it's still good technology the 24 series is clearly cutting edge. I realize that I could sign up today and something new comes out tomorrow and I'm willing to accept that. I jst figure that when you sign up you should get today's "cutting edge" equipment. I mean I'm stuck with it for 2 years. And their leases are bogus in my opinion. Like how you pay $200 for a piece of equipment that you "lease". It's really kind of like a cell phone agreement - you get a discount for a contract. But they decide to call it a lease - probably so that we can't bring our own device. Whether we owned it or leased it I bet the pricing would be about the same. The lease just makes us return it and pay a bunch of money if we don't. Rather than just keeping it forever and putting on a guest room TV or maybe giving to a friend, selling on ebay, etc.

I realize I'm in a contract with an ETF. I'll probably complain a few more times and more than likely file a complaint with BBB and FTC. The rep who said that they can't gaurantee specific equipment even acknowledged that the website strongly implies you'll get the 24 series. I'm just pretty annoyed because the 24 series was what finally sold me to make the switch, and instead i get the equipment I could have gotten 2 years ago!

Anyone know how to check the hard drive capacity on this thing? I'd really like to know the difference between the hard drive I received and the capacity advertised in the promotion I responded to.

jaj1701

Jul 4, 2010

swzine said:
Anyone know how to check the hard drive capacity on this thing? I'd really like to know the difference between the hard drive I received and the capacity advertised in the promotion I responded to.

I'm sure one of the veterans around here do.....as for me, a newbie, it should have a 320gb hard drive, if my memory serves me right.

Sincerely wishing you all the luck in your battle with DirecTV.

swzine

Jul 4, 2010

jaj1701 said:
I'm sure one of the veterans around here do.....as for me, a newbie, it should have a 320gb hard drive, if my memory serves me right.

Sincerely wishing you all the luck in your battle with DirecTV.

It's not the end of the world if I'm stuck with this equipment. Their service (programming, not customer service) is decent. I'm sure there are some die hard DirecTv fans here, but comparing it against Comcast or Time Warner which I had in the past, I actually don't see much of an edge except the multi room DVR. The fact that you can hook up unlimited TVs without converter boxes had always left me finding cable more cost effective. Comparing DirecTv against my local municipal cable company, DirecTv is much better. Our on demand content was limited and our HD signal often got pixelated.

Basically, I'm just going to make another call or two and then file complaints with the BBB and FTC for misleading advertising. I wish I had read more on these forums before subscribing. I would have paid careful attention and sent the installer on his way. I saw the posts on here after I signed up and I assumed that only the 24 series would support the whole house DVR. I didn't realize the DECA adapters gave the older boxes that functionality.

I told DirecTv when I called them, whether they promise a certain device or not, if the hard drive capacity isn't what was advertised to me it's a pretty simple case of bait and switch. They may say they only promise HD and HD DVR receivers, but the ads they sent state specific DVR capacity levels. If the capacity isn't the same it seems pretty cut and dry. The part that bugs me the most is that I get less than what I expected and i'd be hit with a ETF if I wanted to cancel. There are some customers that don't care if they get a 21 or 24 series - I'm not one of them. They can keep their old junk lying around for them.

I know people say the cable companies are no different, but I don't feel like that's true, because the cable company only charges you the lease fee and not an equipment fee and a lease fee. And you don't have to be in a contract. Although cable companies sometimes trick people into contracts, it's usually only certain promotions, specifically price locking. I had also found that when better devices were (rarely) released, I had no problem bringing it in and swapping it out for the newer model with no fees, contract extensions, tech visits, etc. I just brough it in and said I want the new one.

Not sure I like the 24 series enough to go pay $200 and then pay to "lease" it from them for 2 years on top of that!

jaj1701

Jul 4, 2010

swzine said:
It's not the end of the world if I'm stuck with this equipment. Their service (programming, not customer service) is decent. I'm sure there are some die hard DirecTv fans here, but comparing it against Comcast or Time Warner which I had in the past, I actually don't see much of an edge except the multi room DVR. The fact that you can hook up unlimited TVs without converter boxes had always left me finding cable more cost effective. Comparing DirecTv against my local municipal cable company, DirecTv is much better. Our on demand content was limited and our HD signal often got pixelated.

Basically, I'm just going to make another call or two and then file complaints with the BBB and FTC for misleading advertising. I wish I had read more on these forums before subscribing. I would have paid careful attention and sent the installer on his way. I saw the posts on here after I signed up and I assumed that only the 24 series would support the whole house DVR. I didn't realize the DECA adapters gave the older boxes that functionality.

I told DirecTv when I called them, whether they promise a certain device or not, if the hard drive capacity isn't what was advertised to me it's a pretty simple case of bait and switch. They may say they only promise HD and HD DVR receivers, but the ads they sent state specific DVR capacity levels. If the capacity isn't the same it seems pretty cut and dry. The part that bugs me the most is that I get less than what I expected and i'd be hit with a ETF if I wanted to cancel. There are some customers that don't care if they get a 21 or 24 series - I'm not one of them. They can keep their old junk lying around for them.

I know people say the cable companies are no different, but I don't feel like that's true, because the cable company only charges you the lease fee and not an equipment fee and a lease fee. And you don't have to be in a contract. Although cable companies sometimes trick people into contracts, it's usually only certain promotions, specifically price locking. I had also found that when better devices were (rarely) released, I had no problem bringing it in and swapping it out for the newer model with no fees, contract extensions, tech visits, etc. I just brough it in and said I want the new one.

Not sure I like the 24 series enough to go pay $200 and then pay to "lease" it from them for 2 years on top of that!

Your thoughts are logical. Your missing out on capacity, speed, a slicker looking box, and perhaps a bit of energy costs. Otherwise, at least you get the same functionality, interface, feel, etc.

Worth a fight, yes. Worth an additional $200 of upfront cost.....I would think absolutely not.

swzine

Jul 5, 2010

Well the nice thing about leasing is that it might just break one day! Maybe they'll bring some decent equipment when it does. Not like filing complaints will do much good since cable, satellite, and cell phone companies apparently have the highest rate of customer dissatisfaction and complaints.

It's a little off topic but I can't wait until something new comes along and makes all of the cable and satellite companies just like the phone companies. It seems like the internet has a lot of potential. I really don't understand why there isn't a good service where we can just do al a carte channel subscriptions over the internet in a consolidated pay service similar to cable and satellite. It's really just a matter of time. You can already see how DirecTv is leveraging the internet for VOD. I assume Verizon and AT&T's TV service are like what I'm describing, but they're not available everywhere. It just seems like there is the potential for a market more similar to VOIP - where anyone can sign up from anywhere. We all pretty much have 3-4 choices - the satellite companies, a single local cable company, and sometimes a single local phone company if you're in the right market. I can't wait till there is some real competition one day.

SpaethCo

Jul 5, 2010

swzine said:
It seems like the internet has a lot of potential. I really don't understand why there isn't a good service where we can just do al a carte channel subscriptions over the internet in a consolidated pay service similar to cable and satellite. It's really just a matter of time.

The problem with Internet video is that it's unicast traffic, meaning that every viewer gets their own stream of video. The amount of bandwidth required to deliver video grows linearly with the number of viewers, so 100 viewers requires 100 times more bandwidth than a single user.

So for DirecTV -- they launch a few satellites and start broadcasting their video. Their base operating costs are roughly fixed -- the satellite and uplink operations stay roughly the same regardless of the number of subscribers. With that master feed from space they can keep adding additional homes just by installing receivers and cheap antennas in homes. Their cost:revenue ratio continues to improve the more subscribers they add.

Contrast that to Internet delivery -- now as you grow subscribers you need to continually add servers, bandwidth, and start to engineer complex distributed environments such as those run by Akamai, Limelight, and Google. So your operational costs grow as your subscribers increase, and worse you tend to have performance issues with scale. Just do a quick search to find that a surprisingly large percentage of people are having issues with Youtube buffering or NetFlix streaming. ISPs aren't engineered to provide the kind of bandwidth that would be required for a significant number of people to switch over to all IP-based video delivery. The networks could eventually be scaled to meet this demand, but it would ultimately lead to massive increases in your HSI bill that would likely exceed what you were paying for cable / satellite TV in the first place.

All that said, Internet-based video delivery does have a bright future, just not as a replacement technology for broadcast video. I touched on this a bit here:

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tigerfan33

Jul 5, 2010

I had forgotten one of the big advantage of Directs dvr's is that you can watch live tv and then watch a recorded program and go back to live tv and rewind where you left off and watch the remainder. That is if the recorded event is not too long. The Dish VIP's, once you started watching the recorded program there was no going back on the live event.

swzine

Jul 5, 2010

tigerfan33 said:
I had forgotten one of the big advantage of Directs dvr's is that you can watch live tv and then watch a recorded program and go back to live tv and rewind where you left off and watch the remainder. That is if the recorded event is not too long. The Dish VIP's, once you started watching the recorded program there was no going back on the live event.

That is pretty cool. You can kind of do that with cable on the Scientific Atlanta boxes but you had to have PIP on to keep the buffer. Online scheduling is cool too. I do miss the "live" button on cable. Shocked dtv remotes don't have it. With all of the bs intellectual property laws I bet Someone has a patent. It's also good how you can take it with you when you move - hard not to be in svc area! But I feel until recently sat really only had benefit to sports fans and people in rural areas or who move a lot. The service, pricing, poor customer service etc is pretty comparable for every provider. The improved dvr service is what finally gave them an edge in my eyes.

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Last reply Today at 1:05 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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Almighty1

Oct 7, 2026

Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

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Almighty1

Wednesday at 7:51 PM

Almighty1 said:
Updated to H713 on a Hopper 3 from H712 with Hopper Plus a few hours earlier.

It brought a old problem back:

One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software.

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency but it's broken again.

Rick Durham and brittanygarden

Within the last few hours as I did check earlier today when it was still missing, the Available Joey Software line now has added "P154 P15403" which is for the Hopper Plus that I have but my Hopper Plus software is still on P15317, I will do a Download Android TV (ATV) Software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey which are all Android TV devices and then manually do a check update on the Hopper Plus to update the software shortly.

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BatStang2000

Yesterday at 1:29 PM

This happened to me. I was outside mowing and my wife came out and said that our nieces and nephews were going to be on the Noon News. She had it on in the bedroom on our Joey3. Since they weren't on yet, I decided to turn it on in the Living Room on our Hopper3. When I selected the channel (through Dish, not OTA) the Joey3 turned itself off. When I went back to the bedroom to turn it back on, the Hopper3 did a reboot. Luckily it all finished before their story came on, but I just found it strange.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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Last reply Today at 12:39 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Are you experiencing an issue with your 3rd party remote since the newest Hopper update?

Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.

If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.

Thanks!
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bookworm370

Monday at 9:50 AM

I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

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GRB1959

Monday at 10:31 AM

bookworm370 said:
I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

Excellent suggestion.

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Foxbat

Tuesday at 6:49 PM

I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.

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JeffN9

Tuesday at 7:14 PM

Foxbat said:
I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.

I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.

A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:13 PM

GRB1959 said:
Excellent suggestion.

Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!

Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!

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Astroman3427

Yesterday at 7:20 PM

Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 12:39 AM

Astroman3427 said:
Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July. <-----|

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JohnGalt1234

Last reply Today at 12:02 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

H3 EHD lists upcoming airings instead of recordings on EHD and often won't recognize EHD is connected after reboot

This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 6:55 PM

Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 6:55 PM

Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 6:56 PM

JohnGalt1234 said:
Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 7:00 PM

Almighty1 said:
Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

View attachment 194853

This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.

The image I just sent for master H3 is on hopper+., casino is not but both Vs and bootstraps are the same.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:18 PM

JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 9:02 PM

Almighty1 said:
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

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Almighty1

Today at 12:02 AM

JohnGalt1234 said:
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.

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Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Yespage

Friday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Friday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 7:45 PM

osu1991 said:
View: https://youtu.be/Dj-pH4x_Z1Q?is=CHrZoqR0K3GnQb35

Down Goes the SEC

Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

osu1991 said:

They ought to have fun with this… :devilish

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osu1991

Yesterday at 10:14 PM

Foxbat said:
They ought to have fun with this…

Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 9:36 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

Foxbat

Monday at 11:01 PM

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:36 PM

Oops.

AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show

An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 9:17 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The Carbonaro Effect

I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc

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dishstaller

Oct 11, 2026

This one however is my all time favorite. Look at the way this guy holds the drill when he starts freaking out.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5DpFBtZwk&pp=ygUXY2FyYm9uYXJvIGVmZmVjdCByb21sZXk%3D

dishstaller

Yesterday at 9:17 PM

This is a Best Of compilation

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-aR6JoVehU

Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Yesterday at 8:44 PM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Sep 18, 2026

Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX

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KyL416

Oct 8, 2026

PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.

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KyL416

Thursday at 6:36 PM

KyL416 said:
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX

These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls

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KyL416

Thursday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers

Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.

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dtv757

Friday at 9:12 AM

Thanks for the updates on CW norfolk
Hopefully comes to sat soon!!

dtv757

Yesterday at 8:34 PM

Not seeing 44 (WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk ) on my D* app for firestick

KyL416

Yesterday at 8:44 PM

It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)

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TheRatPatrol

Last reply Yesterday at 8:13 PM · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?

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Jimbo

Monday at 11:41 PM

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Tuesday at 6:25 PM

Jimbo said:
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

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Howard Simmons

Thursday at 1:19 PM

Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

Tony as the director.

Jimbo

Thursday at 2:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.

Would you rather have LaRoche ???

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Howard Simmons

Friday at 11:30 AM

Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???

No. Bring in someone new.

Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

Jimbo

Friday at 12:50 PM

Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new. Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.

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KAB

Yesterday at 6:18 AM

I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:40 AM

KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 8:13 PM

KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

Teased Meeting ?

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