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Initial pictures of the HR24-100 and H24-700

dbstalk has initial pictures of the HR24-100 and H24-700 today.

DirecTV uses several manufactures to keep up with demand, so this is expected. The -100 is made by Technicolor (formerly RCA) and the -700 by Pace.

The H24 appears to be practically the same.

The HR24-100 is very close to the original HR24-500, but I see one major difference. The -500 has a nice exaust fan on the back to cools the hard drive, and only the hard drive. The -100 resorted to a simple fan that blows out the side of the unit, blowing the hard drive heat over part of the power supply unit and is not directly connected to the side of the unit. This may result in less effective cooling, theoretically.

Both receivers have the same software and same connectors on the back. No word on chipsets and stuff, but I would expect them to be the exact same.

Here is the pictures from dbstalk:
http://hr20.dbstalk.com/docs/24 Series Second Look.pdf
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Western Digitals "intellipower" that suggests a varied rotation speed is basically crap. I think they were already approached on a potential lawsuit over it and I thought they'd removed that from their marketing material.

There is no consumer grade technology for varying rotational speed. The drives run at a fixed speed of either 5400 or 5900, I forget which. Some lab rats actually hooked up some equipment to it and ran it through its paces and found the same approximate fixed speed as every other drive in this category.

Rotational speed isnt really that crucial in a DVR disk drive. Lower speeds usually equals lower power consumption and lower heat output. Whats important in performance is how many platters/heads are in use and the density of the data, since that has a major effect on throughput. I have a 7200 rpm drive with three platters and low data density and a single platter 5400rpm drive with high data density. The 'slow' drive kicks the 'fast' drives butt.

Another critical performance factor in DVR drives are the 'AV' features. The two chief features of an AV model drive is that the disk abandons a read error almost immediately rather than retrying for a lengthy period of time, and the cache can be divides into as many as 12 distinct pipes, rather than one single cache.

I own both the Seagate pipeline and the western digital AV drives. Both are extremely quiet, low power drives. My pipeline has been in use for nearly a year, about 4 months on the WD AV drive.

My disk experiences have varied. For many years I had very bad luck with WD and Samsung. Lately it seems the Samsung drives have improved considerably, and the WD drives are pretty good. I stuck with Seagate for years because I never had a drive failure. That seems to have gone downhill lately, as I've seen a lot of seagate fails over the last couple of years along with some major issues that effected entire series of drives and required firmware fixes. Seems a lot sloppier than what they used to put out.
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Appears they don't "suggest" anything. Drives with intellipower vary in speed between sizes, but the drive doesnt vary it's speed.

Can Western Digital drives vary their spin speeds?



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There has been some confusion about whether Western Digital's IntelliPower technology varies a drive's rotation speed or not. Well, it doesn't.
A WD spokesperson said that IntelliPower does not vary a drive's spin speed while it is in use. The drives have fixed spin speeds and these may vary with individual drive capacity points within a particular drive model.


But the 1 and 2TB AV-GP drives both have a 5400rpm rotation speed.

IntelliPower is the marketing name for a particular choice of spin speed, caching algorithms, and transfer rates that WD uses to indicate a drive has a low power draw combined with good performance characteristics. The inference is that pure rpm numbers alone don't provide an adequate picture of a drive's performance.
However, for technology aficionados, spin speed is an essential element in understanding a hard drive's overall performance characteristics and being able to compare and contrast it to other drives from the same and from different manufacturers
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Can Western Digital drives vary their spin speeds? ? The Register
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elwaylite said:
Appears they don't "suggest" anything. Drives with intellipower vary in speed between sizes, but the drive doesnt vary it's speed.
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Originally WD did in fact suggest a variable rotation speed and for some time refused to state a rotational speed.

This was their way to obfuscate consumer reception for the product, much like some CPU manufacturers dropped MHz ratings for 'performance ratings'. WD originally advertised this as a '7200 rpm "class" drive that uses variable rotational speeds', then after some guys measured the motor frequency during use to find that the rotational speed was fixed.

Further, using a variable rotational speed would cause heavy fluctuations in power demand and heat output, which would be contrary to the power savings objectives.

Here's an example of how the marketing-speak confused a leading expert at the time of release:
Seagate and Western Digital 1TB Drives: Improved and Green - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

Tomshardware ran into the same "variable between 5400 and 7200" claim and republished it as well.

Here someone starts getting to the bottom of it:

Western Digital's Caviar Green hard drive - The Tech Report - Page 1

"When it first launched the GreenPower Caviar, WD refused to disclose the drive's actual spindle speed, saying only that it was somewhere between 5,400 and 7,200RPM. The company later admitted that the drive ran at closer to the former than the latter, but we haven't been able to coax out an exact spindle speed."

I'm a little pressed for time right now, but a later analysis measuring the frequency of the drive motors found that almost all of the WD 'intellipower' drives ran at 5400 rpm, with a single model running at 5900. While the statement that the motors could be set at the factory to run at any speed between 5400 and 7200 rpms is accurate, it was fairly meaningless once the drive left the factory and in the absence of other performance factors related to the drive.

The point remains that these drives run at a fixed rate of rotation which is similar to competitors drives, that originally WD sought to obfuscate the performance characteristics, and that it took over a year of cajoling and 3rd party testing before they backed off of implying a variable rotational speed.
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Just FYI, my install was 4 x HR24-500's with April manufacture dates. I had seen the "2nd look" and am glad that I got the 500's just for the fan location. Not sure it matters, or that the other design isn't better.....I just felt better about this design.
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My install is scheduled for July 11. I requested the HR24 model so we'll see which variant I get.
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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Another example:

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
www.colts.com

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.
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Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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