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Last reply · posted in Old VOOM News and Developments Archive
A FAMILY FEUD'S FALLOUT



BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
STAFF WRITER

January 25, 2005

Last Wednesday, Cablevision chief executive James Dolan hopped the corporate jet to Denver to help clinch a deal that would mean the demise of the company's failed nationwide satellite TV venture.

The same day, his billionaire dad, Cablevision chairman Charles Dolan, sent an internal memo to employees of Voom saying it had to survive, even if that meant he would personally try to buy the costly venture from Cablevision.

The stunning boardroom victory of the son, who had long been seen on Wall Street as an unworthy successor, over the visionary father who founded the company has been heralded by Wall Street analysts as foreshadowing a transformation of Cablevision Systems Corp.

Even though Charles Dolan directly controls 41 percent of the voting shares, a narrow majority of the board rejected his wishes, saying the company would no longer pursue a venture that was chalking up huge losses and attracting few subscribers.

The analysts predicted Cablevision, the biggest cable operator in the New York metropolitan area, which also controls Madison Square Garden, the Knicks and Rangers, and Radio City Music Hall, as well as cable channels like AMC, may even be sold to Time Warner for as much as $13.5 billion for its cable business alone, partly as a result of the family feud.

But even if it is not, major questions have emerged on the future role of Charles Dolan, who had planned to become chairman of a Voom spinoff company and leave Cablevision's board.

Will friction persist between Charles, 78, and James Dolan, 49, who had been slated to take over as chairman if his father left? Will Charles, who through the Dolan family controls 75 percent of the voting shares, seek to oust some of the board members? Or will Charles finally make way for James to move out of his father's shadow?

For years, media moguls and Wall Street analysts said only Charles Dolan stood in the way of a sale of Cablevision.

Now that impediment may be removed, analysts said, especially since Charles Dolan's focus has shifted away from cable TV.

As James Dolan cemented the deal to sell Voom's sole satellite to competitor EchoStar Communications for $200 million, its stock price zoomed, gaining 18.5 percent for the week, as investors gained confidence Cablevision will be less likely to go off on costly tangents that depress the stock.

"There is a far greater likelihood with Chuck Dolan having been overruled by the board that someone could make a bid for Cablevision and that he would be receptive to such an offer, given that he is far less focused on the cable business than ever before," said analyst Richard Greenfield of Fulcrum Global Partners.



Channels likely to be sold

Even if a sale of the whole company is not imminent, chances have improved that the cable channels it owns, especially AMC, will be sold, analysts said. AMC alone is worth $2.6 billion, and packaged with IFC and WE: Women's Entertainment, the total price could reach $3.9 billion, according to analyst Jessica Reif Cohen of Merrill Lynch.

Sumner Redstone, chairman of MTV parent Viacom, which has considered buying AMC in the past, said recently he is eager to buy cable channels and expects some to be offered.

"In light of Comcast's plan to launch a competing classic movies channel with MGM, Cablevision would be shedding AMC at a time when risks around the network are mounting," said analyst Craig Moffett of Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

The shift in Wall Street's view of Cablevision is remarkable, given that Charles Dolan had been considered the guiding force. James Dolan had been written off by some analysts as a lightweight prone to expensive misadventures such as The Wiz electronics chain, to mismanaging the Cablevision-owned New York Knicks and Rangers and to battling Mayor Michael Bloomberg over a planned Jets stadium in Manhattan.

During the prolonged family feud over Voom, a venture that Reif Cohen said cost Cablevision $1.4 billion in investments, the son has emerged as a born-again pragmatist and shareholder advocate, promising that Cablevision's profits would no longer be threatened by risky ventures or uncontrolled spending.



Deal lifts spirits

It is not even that the EchoStar deal was seen as a coup for Cablevision, given the price.

"It's slightly more than EchoStar wanted to pay, but it's still a bargain-basement price," said Satellite Business News editor Bob Scherman.

But the deal has lifted the spirits of investors and analysts, who had long complained that the Dolan family was too much of a wild card.

Greenfield said that if sold, the cable company could be worth up to $4,500 for each of its 3 million subscribers, or a total of $13.5 billion.

A Cablevision spokesman declined to comment.

Douglas Shapiro, an analyst at Banc of America Securities, told investors that Charles Dolan appears "more interested in developing new businesses than running a mature cable company," adding that it raises "the question whether he still feels compelled to own it."

Copyright © 2005, Newsday, Inc.
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hbk409
FrankJo said:
Remember,

What you want, and what's best Cablevision are two different things. James did the right thing. Charles is the one who was looking out for what he wanted, but not neccessarily what's best for the company.

charles i believe was doing whats best for the company, he was expanding his market. right now cablevision has 3mill tv subs, over 1mill optimum online subs and about 500,000 optimum voice(ip telephony) subs. they only way that they can dramatically increase their tv subs is to either buy another cable company, wich is not going to happen as they want everything to remain close to their current headquarters(tri state area) or for them to go with voom. now lets just say in 5yrs from now voom has 2mill subs and growing now do you think it was a good investment. also i with the band with that they would have with the additional satellites it would suprise me if they offered wireless broadband.
F
hbk409,

I think your plan will work in 3 years. But, its too soon for a heavily dependent HD service. I think that they could have started a satellite service, with all the HD that they had, added more of the same SD offerings than the other 2 competitors had. That way, they could have sold themselves as an alternative for anyone (with more HD), but not just marketed themselves to HDTV owners, (whose numbers pale in comparison).
mdonnelly
TYORK said:
goes to show that the kids these days don't appricate nothing that way do for them they just take to granted and then turn there back on you as soon as they get a chance.
Bitter, eh? Sounds like more going on here than just VOOM. :D
V
VMI
What most people don't realize is that gaining customers was not VOOM's problem. In fact, they had more than they could handle. It's the logistics of installing and maintaining that was screwed up. So for all those that say the HD market is too small is simply wrong and guesswork on their part. If VOOM could fix the basics they would be more than a thorn in D* and Dish.
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FrankJo said:
hbk409,

I think your plan will work in 3 years. But, its too soon for a heavily dependent HD service. I think that they could have started a satellite service, with all the HD that they had, added more of the same SD offerings than the other 2 competitors had. That way, they could have sold themselves as an alternative for anyone (with more HD), but not just marketed themselves to HDTV owners, (whose numbers pale in comparison).

Remember the early bird gets the worm.. That also holds true in business. That means profits.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
R
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
I saw Gibbs walk into the door, but I did not see Tony.
Jimbo
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
Tony was Not in this episode ... you may remember Gibbs walking into the office and those around Welcomed him home, Voices only.

If you also watch the Mothership, Tony has been in that one ...
dfergie
Tony was Not in this episode ... you may remember Gibbs walking into the office and those around Welcomed him home, Voices only.

If you also watch the Mothership, Tony has been in that one ...
I must have seen that in previews
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"MysteryMan"
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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EarDemon
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
WhiteBeard
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
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EarDemon
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
HipKat
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
I'm sorry, but the Dock is optional. I run Arch Linux, and tbh, as someone without specific, niche needs like your radios, the GUI is really no different, and I worry less about my OS being infiltrated. The OS is less bloated; there is no OEM Software that I have to dig through to disable or remove; coding is not a massive pile of problems that require constant patching, and if there is a problem, I can easily fix it myself (ChatGPT is great for Linux or any programming issues), and setting it up to look the way I want it to does not take days/weeks. It takes barely an hour. Not to mention, a cold boot takes barely 30 seconds from Power on the being fully booted.

Ubuntu is a joke, btw

TRG would back this up better than I can, I'm sure
EarDemon
I have no OEM bloat, on CTO devices where I can access the drive, I order it with the smallest allowed drive and crack the device open throw the factory drive in the garbage and put in my own WD Black and install Windows from bootable media. For Windows bloat, I install Windows using the English - World option which limits preinstalled MS bloat.

Windows and Office features I wish to block, like CoPilot and Cortana, macro enabled Office files and others are blocked with GPOs.

Between keeping all software up to date, doing firmware updates, putting IoT devices on a separate VLAN, running Symantec Endpoint (say what you want about it, it's been good to me) and practicing safe hex, I'm vigilant but not paranoid about security.

With NVMe SSDs, my cold boot up time on all devices is under 30 secs as well. Fast boot disabled, BitLocker drive encryption enabled.

I have nothing against Linux, been paying with it on and off since 2004ish, it's just not the right solution for me.
HipKat
it's just not the right solution for me.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.

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harshness
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.
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EarDemon
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?
Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Kiss - The Art Of Noise
long_time_Dish
Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
long_time_Dish
White Sun - The Doobie Brothers
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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Foxbat
Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…
navychop
If Earth had shorter days,

Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
Foxbat
Wouldn't we then die of old age sooner?

🙄
Still the same number of years, just more Sunsets…😉
K
Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.
JSheridan
Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.
EarDemon
Yep, I got the notification a few days ago. I'm not totally surprised.

Never used the address for anything, so no big loss to me.
meStevo
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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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K
Probably starting season 3 tonight. :D
meStevo
Finished it this evening. General impressions with no story spoilers, but will spoil it anyways as it just came out today.

Not quite as impactful of a finale as past seasons I thought, we'll see how far down the rabbit hole things go as the latest plot twists and turns unravel. Thought this season had a full episode or two too much rom-com style disagreements, but it was more or less paid off later. Ultimately didn't enjoy that being more of a throughline in the stories this season compared to what I remember of the priors.

My least favorite of the 3 seasons, but still very good. Really wonder how far they'll go with things, hard to see a nuclear attack or something ever actually happening. They just had a better story to tell and more meaningful beats in the prior season.
KAB
KAB
Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
K
Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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Foxbat
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Bobby
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
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Bobby
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
As an edit, you need to sub to the National Action Pack at $12 a month to receive those channels.
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Foxbat
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
I've saved a boatload of money!
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
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