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Broadcasting and Cable magazine has a great article about Fox's plan for the Super Bowl this weekend. The article discusses many of the technologies that will be making their debut during the game. Two highlights are the six new HD slo-mo cameras that record 120 frames per second and "gopher cams" embedded in the turf. The article also mentions that very few markets will have the game in HD: no E*, only 25 markets for DTV, and the 20 Sinclair-owned Fox stations will not have it either.

Rob.

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Here's the link to the full article: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA500064.html?display=Feature&referral=SUPP

This is a subscription site, so in case users can only view it for a short time withouth subscribing, here is the full text:

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Super Tech for the Super Bowl
A 2-inch camera buried at the 3-yard line is just one treat Fox has planned

By Ken Kerschbaumer -- Broadcasting & Cable, 1/31/2005

In this story:
"110-112 decibels"
A videogame-like view

The prospect of airing the Super Bowl for a worldwide audience usually inspires TV producers to try to make the broadcast a technological marvel. But Fox Sports may have achieved a first recently when its planning required a groundskeeper's permission to dig up the field. In what is likely to provide one of the more memorable aspects of the Feb. 6 broadcast from Jacksonville, Fla., Fox is embedding tiny cameras in the grass at Alltel Stadium. If the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots meet on the 3-yard line, viewers will be able to look up into the linemen's faces before the snap.

Ed Mangan, the NFL's Super Bowl groundskeeper, "helped us figure out a way to place the cameras in the turf," says Peter Larsson, general manager of Broadcast Sports Technology, which built the cameras for Fox. About the diameter of a pencil and 2 inches in length, the TurfCams will be connected to the production trucks by cables running through 3-inch plastic piping buried more than a foot under the grass. The cameras will provide ant's-eye views from the middle of the field at the 3-yard and 20-yard lines, as well as from the stadium tunnel used by the players, and from perches inside the four pylons marking the front corners of the end zones.

"That's one of the places on the field where there is incredible action. The players run for that corner," says Jeff Court, Fox Sports VP of field operations, clearly eager to try out his new toys. Of course, Court is already familiar with what he's getting: Fox used similar cameras near home plate during the Major League playoffs last fall—with riveting results.

But the "gopher cams," as Court calls them, are hardly the only special hardware Fox is rolling out for this Super Bowl. The network's production compound, staffed by 400 Fox employees, is three times larger than that for a regular-season NFL broadcast. From the high-definition broadcast equipment down to the microphones the announcers use, much of the production hardware will be making its Super Bowl debut.

Preparations began last March, Court says, with a visit to the host site to get a sense of the available space and facilities. One hurdle immediately became apparent: Alltel Stadium, home of the Jacksonville Jaguars, has a relatively small parking lot by NFL standards, and, with Fox's oversized contingent, as well as crews from such organizations as HBO, NFL Films and Japanese broadcaster NHK Television, Court worries that "there won't be any room for those going to the game to park."

Many of the Fox crew members began arriving three weeks before the game to begin the process. "They're long days, but by the time you get to game day, everything is well-tested," Court says. There's a certain level of comfort, he adds, in knowing that the crew working the game is essentially unchanged from the one that was in place in 1994 when Fox launched its NFL coverage.

"110-112 decibels"
The crew might be the same, but the technology for the broadcast has changed radically. High-definition was only a dream a decade ago; this year, it will be a wall-to-wall element of Fox's broadcast, from the pre-game hoopla through to the post-game interviews. The crew has the HD aspects of the telecast fairly well in hand, since Fox has broadcast HD games all season long and spent the past two years doing productions in widescreen. So the production team is well-versed in shooting with HD, and especially the wider picture, in mind.

Although the audience watching on regular TV sets won't be able to detect a difference, HD viewers are likely to be wowed by Fox's slow-motion replays. The network is using six Thomson LDK-6200 Super Slo-Mo cameras. They're the first in the world to capture slow motion in HD, recording 120 frames per second on the EVS replay server. When the 120 frames are broadcast at 60 frames, the viewer sees a slow-motion but super-clear image. "We tried it out for one of the games earlier this year, and the reaction from the production team was, 'Oh my,'" Court says. Before the cameras went on the market last summer, slow motion in HD resolution wasn't an option because the cameras and recorders couldn't handle all of the data. "The Super Slo-Mo really was the last great missing link," says Jeff Rosica, Thomson VP for strategic marketing and business development.

But a lot of HD-set owners are going to be disappointed on game day because satellite and cable operators don't carry Fox's HD feed in many markets. EchoStar doesn't have an HD carriage agreement with Fox. DirecTV has one, but only in the 25 markets where Fox owns its own stations. Sinclair Broadcasting—which owns 20 Fox affiliates—hasn't granted local cable systems the right to carry the HD feeds in any markets, including Baltimore and Syracuse. The same goes for some other Fox affiliates, including Pittsburgh. Comcast averted a similar blackout in San Francisco last week.

Despite all the emphasis on camerawork and image delivery, Fox has also focused on the audio side of the broadcast. Cheering NFL crowds might reach ear-splitting levels during regular-season games, Court says, but Super Bowl crowds take the noise up a notch. "When that stadium is rocking, it's at 110-112 decibels," he says. That's why Fox is equipping its announcers with new microphones from the Danish company DPA.

Even with headphone-mounted microphones, announcers sometimes have to shout to be heard above the crowd noise that filters through. Court says the DPA microphones do a better job with noise reduction, giving the audio team greater control over the mix between commentator and background noise. Fox is also deploying two Holophone H2-PRO surround-sound microphones, developed by Rising Sun Productions in Toronto.

A videogame-like view
One of the biggest challenges faced by Court and the rest of the Fox Sports team is simply getting used to the scale of the network's own operation. There are 300 technical crew members on hand for the game; a typical regular-season game tops out at 65. Extra crew means extra organization and bigger facilities. The tech compound, for example, is 430 by 70 feet. Court calls it the equivalent of a mini-broadcast center, complete with temporary studio sets. One pre-game set will be located in Metro Park, requiring a fiber-cable run of 3,800 feet.

All told, Fox will employ 35 HD Thomson Worldcam camera heads and bodies with Canon lenses to capture 720p images. Not all of those cameras, however, will be covering game action. Manned cameras in the stadium will account for 26 of them. The rest are mostly robotic and those used for shooting on the sets outside the stadium. And then there's the CableCam, which will fly overhead, giving viewers what Court calls a "videogame-like" view of the action.

The camera feeds will be brought into an NEP Supershooters transmission truck, which will function as a centralized distribution system. By bringing all the feeds into one location and then sending them back out to other trucks for recording and playback, the production team will be liberated from the complication of figuring out how to share feeds among the trucks.

Despite all the extra people, extra gear and extra hype, once the game begins, the responsibility for executing the broadcast will be concentrated in the main production truck, NEP's SS18, where the personnel and the jobs they perform will be no different from a regular-season game. "The core people take the same positions," says Court.

Even the Fox Sports veterans on hand, though, don't know quite what to expect from the teensy hidden cameras down on the field. The TurfCams used during the Major League post-season performed well, but baseball is rarely a contact sport, and the home-plate area provided a nice flat dirt surface that didn't block camera shots.

Football offers neither amenity to producers with delicate gadgets to deploy. In order to shoot the Eagles and Patriots in action without the view blocked by leaves of grass, the in-the-field cameras (which are not HD) have to be positioned to shoot nearly vertically. They're not rigidly mounted, so there's no threat of gouging a player who lands on one with an unpadded part of his body.

The danger is entirely to the camera. "If five or six NFL players land on one of the cameras," Court says, "you can say goodbye."
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
RaiderPower
Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers
iJustine
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It's not even where it folds!
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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S
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
navychop
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!
dishstaller
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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FTA4PA
Rest In Peace
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
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dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Scott Greczkowski
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
bookworm370
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
S
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
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dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Almighty1
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.
B
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Almighty1
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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