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Why ssuch a low tmer limit?

I get a message at around 85 saying the max # of timers has been reached. With memory cost so low you would think they allow a lot. While on the subject how do you back-up timers to the remote on a 722k?
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It is much more likely that the limit is there for performance considerations rather than memory use.
The memory needed to store 96 timers and 576 events shouldn't be much more than a few hundred kilobytes, I'd be surprised if it's more than one megabyte.
When you do get to 96 times or 576 events, you'll notice that skipping events and such is much slower than if you only have a handful.
I would guess that the limit is merely there to control possible complaints about slowness.

What I've noticed (on my 622) is that it works fine if you have 96 timers, however if you get to 576 events then strange things start to happen.
For example, it will stop adding events to certain timers, even if the number of events dropped below 576 again.
What I mean by that is that when you look at the upcoming events for a timer, it will show no events or only a few, while if you do a search, it will clearly show events that should be in the timer but aren't.
Unfortunately, just about the only solution when this happens is to recreate the timer.
If the event list stays below 576, I don't have this problem.
I suspect that this problem has more to do with the way the handling of the limit is programmed, rather than any sort of memory or other resource shortage.

Most of the time I have 96 timers, but I don't get to 576 events very often.
When I do though, it can be nightmare of constantly monitoring that you don't miss anything because the timer stopped working.
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well at least it stops you from exceeding the limit and crashing the box.

my wife got into that with cooking shows, she didnt cook, just watched others:(

I think it was our 721? it went into endless reboot, till some timers aged out of the system. What a PIA. E hadnt a clue and sent replacement boxes that refused to download initial software off a quad:(

I ended up with 5 replacement receivers that refused to work, when my original one had some timers expire. By that time I had driven a hour one way to buy a difdferent LNB that would do the software download.

HAVING LIMITS IS FAR BETTER THAN CRASHING BOXES!

I have no idea if TIVO has a limit, at least I have never hit it:)
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ESPNSTI said:
It is much more likely that the limit is there for performance considerations rather than memory use.
The memory needed to store 96 timers and 576 events shouldn't be much more than a few hundred kilobytes, I'd be surprised if it's more than one megabyte.
When you do get to 96 times or 576 events, you'll notice that skipping events and such is much slower than if you only have a handful.
I would guess that the limit is merely there to control possible complaints about slowness.
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Given the way microprocessors are continuously improved, it may be the limit of the 622, but the 722 may have more power. The 922 would still have more processing power. I can see them keeping the limit on the 622, but the 722 and 922 should have the limit adjusted to better reflect their processing power.
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Given the way microprocessors are continuously improved, it may be the limit of the 622, but the 722 may have more power. The 922 would still have more processing power. I can see them keeping the limit on the 622, but the 722 and 922 should have the limit adjusted to better reflect their processing power.
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I would agree with that if I thought that the slowdown was linear, however from what I can tell the performance degradation is non-linear.
For example if you only have 1 timer and you add 1, you experience some performance loss.
However if you have 95 timers and you add 1, you experience many, many times more performance loss than when you went from 1 to 2 timers.

If that is indeed the case, then you can maybe push the limit somewhat on the 722 and 922, but you probably can't take it too far since the non-linear increase of performance loss on the timers beyond the 96 mark will rapidly make up for any hardware difference.

What would probably be needed to be able to really push the limits is to either rewrite the scheduling portion of the software so that it can handle additional timers / events with near linear effect on performance.
Or rewrite the timer / event management portion of the software so that it behaves asynchronously. What this would mean is that if you press skip on an event, it would still take just as long as it does now, however it would let you do other things while it's in the process of skipping the event.
Both of these things would take a lot of effort to implement I suspect, so I doubt that would happen anytime soon.
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When you add the first timer there are no conflict checks but for n timers there will be n*n/2 or so checks, where n is the number of events or events + timers. This means as you get to 96 timers or 500+ events, each addition gets more "expensive" of time.
-Ken
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Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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