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Idea for new type of Dish Network receiver

I am not sure if anyone has pitched this idea but here goes, Why not make a receiver that is HD but has multiple outs in OTA format, so the idea is the receiver has 4 tuners inside and outputs to 4 tvs via this one box, now the problem how do we send an HD signal to the TV's ? Well of course we cannot use HDMI way to long of a cable run for most homes, the idea that I am thinking of is, most newer HDTV's have a built in HD OTA tuners built in! Why not utilize them by have the receiver output a HD OTA signal for each of the 4 tuners so just like you tune to channel 60 or 73 for Tuner 2 on the 622,722,722K, ect..... the idea would be you tune to a OTA ATSC HD channel ? And the best part is of course no receiver to have to hide if you have a wall mounted tv, just put this box into your main cable junctions, i.e maybe near a electrical panel or furnace room or maybe even in one of the rooms your tv is. as for the remotes they will be most likely UHF or 2G just like on the 922 and of course all will be on different channels to accomidate the TV's

What do you think guys? Is this a good idea or am I just way off the charts here?
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To the OP: TheKrell hit it on the head. Dish did (some years ago) in fact have a prototype (or at least definitely plans on paper--I think they built a prototype) of just what was suggested: a "Whole Home DVR" that was centralized and everything was to be re-modulated in ATSC, so all one would have to do is tune to one ASTC channel to view all the content and a different ATSC channel for the 2nd room and so on. The content owners did NOT like their stuff being re-transmitted UNENCRYPTED. In fact, DirecTV had to drop a really good wireless "Whole Home" system because they had problems ensuring encryption.

Don't feel bad. It is a really good idea. Engineers are pretty smart and it isn't that no one has thought of a solution, it is just that content owners have shot down and still shoot down some great innovations. It is what they live to do.

The good news is we have the forthcoming XiP 813 that will do pretty much the same functionality and content owners don't have a problem with it. Technically, it sounds GREAT. My only concern would be cost. We would need maybe 3 of those boxes and I hope the fees aren't so high that it becomes impossible for this sub.

Keep thinking of the good ideas, and be prepared for a "already thought of, but content owners said, "NO, no, no!"
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DishSubLA said:
To the OP: TheKrell hit it on the head. Dish did (some years ago) in fact have a prototype (or at least definitely plans on paper--I think they built a prototype) of just what was suggested: a "Whole Home DVR" that was centralized and everything was to be re-modulated in ATSC, so all one would have to do is tune to one ASTC channel to view all the content and a different ATSC channel for the 2nd room and so on. The content owners did NOT like their stuff being re-transmitted UNENCRYPTED. In fact, DirecTV had to drop a really good wireless "Whole Home" system because they had problems ensuring encryption.

Don't feel bad. It is a really good idea. Engineers are pretty smart and it isn't that no one has thought of a solution, it is just that content owners have shot down and still shoot down some great innovations. It is what they live to do.

The good news is we have the forthcoming XiP 813 that will do pretty much the same functionality and content owners don't have a problem with it. Technically, it sounds GREAT. My only concern would be cost. We would need maybe 3 of those boxes and I hope the fees aren't so high that it becomes impossible for this sub.

Keep thinking of the good ideas, and be prepared for a "already thought of, but content owners said, "NO, no, no!"
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This idea has been sitting on the back burner of my head for awhile, just thought I would finally post, and another good point about how the modulators for ATSC are expensive, another reason the idea kept coming to my mind the fact that the TV2 feed for all the 622/722/722K ect, didn't have a second HD feed for TV2 hence why I thought why not just do it for multiple tuners,

all say this though lets here it for the future because maybe something similar will pop out of the industry!!
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Is it that general-purpose ATSC are expensive or can one make a single-purpose one (single frame size and rate) for a lot less?
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m3repair said:
This idea has been sitting on the back burner of my head for awhile, just thought I would finally post, and another good point about how the modulators for ATSC are expensive, another reason the idea kept coming to my mind the fact that the TV2 feed for all the 622/722/722K ect, didn't have a second HD feed for TV2 hence why I thought why not just do it for multiple tuners,

all say this though lets here it for the future because maybe something similar will pop out of the industry!!
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Something like this will never popup in the future. The content providers will not allow it. You'll have to have encrypted video transmitted to do something like this, which is exactly what XIP receivers will accomplish.
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Is it that general-purpose ATSC are expensive or can one make a single-purpose one (single frame size and rate) for a lot less?
-Ken
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You've really got two (technical) issues. Let's say you want to distribute a satellite channel, which is MPEG4. Since the ATSC standard only uses MPEG2, you have to first decode the MPEG4 and recode in MPEG2 in something close to real-time. Then, you need to modulate the bitstream in ATSC. Could this be made affordable in quantity? Probably, but, as noted above, there is no (mass) market for it because of the lack of DRM (digital rights management) capability. If we can ever get over that hurdle, this scheme might be affordable, but there are other ways to do this over coax (e.g. XIP series) now, so we'll probably never see ATSC outputs.
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m3repair said:
This idea has been sitting on the back burner of my head for awhile, just thought I would finally post, and another good point about how the modulators for ATSC are expensive, another reason the idea kept coming to my mind the fact that the TV2 feed for all the 622/722/722K ect, didn't have a second HD feed for TV2 hence why I thought why not just do it for multiple tuners,

all say this though lets here it for the future because maybe something similar will pop out of the industry!!
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I think a general purpose one is more expensive then a single purpose only because then only certain frequencies are used to deliver the channels, again I could be wrong
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m3repair said:
I think a general purpose one is more expensive then a single purpose only because then only certain frequencies are used to deliver the channels, again I could be wrong
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Agile modulators aren't all that much more expensive than fixed frequency modulators in the grand scheme.

The MPEG2 conversion and ATSC multiplexing are the hard parts.
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I think that Dish's cost while not necessarily cheap, would have been far less than many think for the ATSC modulators as Dish would have a critical mass that interested companies would exploit to bring the price per down significantly so that it would make economic sense for Dish. In other words, Dish would not have paid anywhere near what you or I would at retail.

I don't know how much Dish is paying for all the internal HDD's in its DVR's, but I am certain that while it is relativity expensive, Dish is NOT paying anywhere near retail and probably far, far, less than even one finds on Amazon because of Dish's (and other DVR makers) critical mass that the major HDD makers exploit that brings it much closer to the cost to manufacture to get the business.

This is a total speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dish pays close to $20 or so for each 1TB (maybe less) HDD simply because Dish needs hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of them, and for that they can get a darn good price with that kind of critical mass and a lot business for the HDD maker with that huge economy of scale.
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
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Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
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MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
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Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
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harshness said:
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
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osu1991 said:
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
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Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
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Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
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You say that like it's a Bad thing or something ... :biggrin
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MikeD-C05 said:
Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
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star trek GIF by HULU


Just sayin...
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You say that like it's a Bad thing or something ... :biggrin
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For a whole generation of adults it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

All In The Family Nostalgia GIF by Sony Pictures Television
All In The Family Singing GIF by Sony Pictures Television
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Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....
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Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
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If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter
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And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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medieval chain armor
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Aka "mail" or "maille".
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYRNrj5MQzw


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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qc5p2NdN4


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Club TWiT: Unpacking 'You Can See Everything' - Deception, Empathy, and the Art of the Documentary

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPXZ_k6ld-g


Direct YouTube Link - Club TWiT: Unpacking 'You Can See Everything' - Deception, Empathy, and the Art of the Documentary
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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvJmUuXvDHI


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200,000 Subscriber Livestream - Let's Giveaway some RADIOS!

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sqK9KJAt7E


Direct YouTube Link - 200,000 Subscriber Livestream - Let's Giveaway some RADIOS!
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
Ham Radio 2.0 on Facebook
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Brutal review of Netflix's series Below

Don't know if any of you have watched this series yet, it would be interesting to see if you feel this review was accurate. It was very humorous to listen to however.


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What a "pile of slop" review! I liked the show.
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KAB said:
What a "pile of slop" review! I liked the show.
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If the review is like the article, oi! Eighteen paragraphs into the review and... all they've done is not really talk at all about the actual thing they are reviewing.

Halfway into the "written" review, I know more about how the writer "thinks" than I do about what they are writing about. I understand their politics, their self-overestimated understanding of film, their inability to be funny.

Takes about 22 paragraphs to get to one that starts "Anyway, the story kicks off...". Talk about Slop! 😂
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