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Okay, so here's an issue I have, and I'm hoping someone could answer this for me.

I just got DirecTV, and I'm able to get the locals (there are two, or three if you count the PBS one) and WBNX (the Cleveland CW affiliate). It's all good and all, except for one thing.

The FOX and ABC feeds suck. This be because of the affiliate carrying them: WTRF. I live in the Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH area, so WTRF carries CBS on it's main channel, FOX/MNTV on a subchannel, and ABC on another one. They are NEVER in HD (even though it says it is, though they seem to get lucky with the CBS feed), and whenever I watch them, it seems like it's really...what's the word I want to use for this...unclear (hard to describe what it looks like), but it seems like anti-aliasing isn't in this station's vocabulary), not to mention the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. WTOV, the NBC affiliate, never has this problem (and has been the lead for news in this area for the longest time because of the utter nightmare that WTRF's owners have put TRF into...it's awful and degrading on SO many levels, and the owners don't seem to care of how cheap it's gotten).

So I'm about ready to say "F" it and ask for the East/West Coast feeds of the CBS, ABC, and FOX networks. Yeah, it's crude, but I've about had it with the constant screwing over about the HD and picture quality these channels have because this station will never get it as long as Brad Cray (West Virginia Media Holdings, WTRF's current owner, head honcho). I'm willing to pay extra to be able to get these feeds.

Only one problem: I don't want to lose WTOV because of this (since I heard it's one or the other, and WTOV is very good with their HD, even though they do preempt some NBC programs for local sports, though not very often). We don't get the Pittsburgh channels like we did with Comcast (which got too expensive for us to keep up with). Also, I've heard that Brad Cray is a bit of a douchebag about signing waivers (WTOV, I've heard, doesn't mind signing them), and he's got a stranglehold over the state of WV with how these subchannels are set up (he owns three other stations in the state that do the same kind of crap: have all sorts of affiliations without any care to the quality to them...or their newscasts). I don't know if there is anything I can do about this short of trying to start some revolution to get a change in ownership of at least WTRF. I've heard it took such a long time for the satellite companies to get spot beams OR distants to this area because of Cray's persistence.

So...what do I do? What CAN I do about this? Should I call DTV to see what could be done about this?
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This station is weird, though. Like, on Comcast, you can tell that the station is in HD (of some kind) with the FOX feed, and then suddenly go SD for local programming, and it would be all full screen.
During Fox national programming on your Directv system does the screen have black bars on top and bottom?

It sounds like Comcast is doing some kind of flipping between HD 16:9 and SD 4:3 depending on program (if its Fox national or not)
videojanitor
I think I might be able to shed some light on this. It sounds like because this station has FOX on a subchannel, there is an issue with transporting it to DirecTV. More than likely, DirecTV is picking up the station over-the-air, and thus, poor quality SD is all that's available.

At the same time, it sounds like they have a fiber feed to Comcast (which is pretty common), and because the station can feed anything down this line they want, they are able to send them the FOX HD feed. If DirecTV was to arrange for a fiber feed from the station (which they do in many areas -- the station I work for feeds them via fiber), they could have it in HD as well.

The FOX network utilizes a feature of digital TV known as Active Format Description (AFD). You can read about it on Wikipedia, but in a nutshell, it is a signal that instructs *SD* gear on how to display the image. It can tell an SD device to letterbox the incoming 16x9 image, or center-cut it. Virtually everything on FOX is sent with the "letterbox" code, which is why it goes to a letterboxed picture during FOX programming. You may notice that on FOX Sports programming (check out the World Series for instance), they have graphics that utilize the full 16x9 area -- they're not crowded towards to center to protect 4x3 displays. They're able to do this because they transmit the "letterbox" code, which insures that people watching in SD (or an SD signal through cable or satellite) do not have the graphics chopped off.

Bottom line, I would say it's up to DirecTV to get a fiber feed to that station to get FOX in HD. If that doesn't happen, well, "moving" is a great option.
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Sorry if I'm resurrecting this, but there MIGHT (MIGHT, as in, extremely slim chance) be a chance that something could happen with these subchannels soon if what I saw today is any indication.

When WTOV began broadcasting their news in HD, a lot of stuff that wasn't usually broadcasting in HD on that channel despite being advertised in HD format (such as Jeopardy and WOF) suddenly was (some of the local commercials suddenly got upgrades, too).

Well, WTRF has just launched (as in, Dec 29th, 2011) their news in HD. Of course, right now, the ABC feed was still in SD for the simulcast (for some odd reason, right now, the 7.1 feed is down on DirecTV (the "No need to call" screen, if anyone is familiar with that "tech difficulty" screen). They launched it with a slightly better graphics package (though they didn't change everything; the way they display the 7 day forecast is still in the same format, which is an absolute mess of clouds and crap that I'm surprised anyone can make out what's what) and a new music package.

Thing is, if what happened when WTOV went HD happens with WTRF and its subs, there could be changes coming for the FOX and ABC feeds, too. I'm having my fingers crossed, but knowing how WTRF has been, I doubt they'll change anything.

I've also heard a few other things that could either ease or complicate the situation:
  • Locals have the ability to enforce "non-duplicate" laws (not sure how corporations continue to be allowed to hold so much power) so they could be the only ones that a carrier is ALLOWED to give you in that area period. Not sure the specifics on these laws, but it could prevent DirecTV from doing certain things about situations like this.
  • WTRF has had a good relationship with Comcast in the past. Comcast had WTRF newscasts on their VOD service, even. This might be a sign that, unless what I hope happens actually does, that DTV might never get the ABC/FOX feeds, because Comcast might actually have exclusive rights to broadcast them in HD, as someone on another forum speculated. Then again, that sounds pretty far fetched that Comcast would be allowed to do such a thing (but again, I'm dumbfounded sometimes on how much power some of these companies are allowed to possess and what a crapload of money can do to the game).
But yeah, hopefully the launch of HD news on WTRF is a sign of fixes to come.
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on your comcast box, hit power, not all on, (turns the box off leave the tv on) then hit guide, scroll down to 4:3 override, and i bet its set to stretch, which is correct, if you want your bars back, then set it to off, but stretching will keep the aspect ratio correct, this is not the same as using the hd zoom button. press power again to turn the box back on.
twizt3dsist3r
wow just saw the dates on this post.... way to go dark, now were doomed to talk about a possible issue that no longer plagues op lol
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One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
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One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
Great ending, but it ran in circles most of the season.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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