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March 6, 2012, 12:00 a.m. EST
Roku is in a sweet spot in shifting TV land
Commentary: 'Friendlier partner' a force for pay TV to reckon with

By Therese Poletti, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — The little Roku box that 2.5 million consumers use in their living rooms to stream movies or TV shows from the Internet has become a thorn in the side of pay television.

With a small minority of consumers "cutting the cord," or ditching their cable service, the Roku box has become one of the popular ways for consumers to stream Internet video onto their TVs. What started out as a box designed to stream content for Netflix Inc. (NASDAQ:NFLX) has become one of the easier ways to get rid of cable service.

But Anthony Wood, the founder of the 150-employee start-up in Saratoga, Calif., doesn't really see it that way. The company, which is about to launch in Canada, just on the heels of last month's entry into the United Kingdom, tries to be a friend to all: cable and satellite companies, content providers, broadcast TV, even television manufacturers.

"We try very hard to be the happy, friendlier partner," said Wood, who is also Roku's chief executive. He noted that only about 35% of Roku's customers have canceled cable or scaled back on their subscriptions. But unlike rival Boxee, "We don't promote our box specifically for cord cutting."

Still, for all its partnerships — and Roku now has over 400 channels of content to choose from in its Channel Store — it has become a force for cable and satellite TV companies to reckon with. It is also one of the best placed companies as the Internet starts to have some serious impact on the shifting landscape of broadcast TV.

"If a consumer changes input [from a cable box] to a Roku box, they are now not anywhere near their pay TV service," said Colin Dixon, an analyst with the Diffusion Group. "They are using Roku's guide and Roku content and that is taking people away from the pay TV guide and pay TV content. They are in fact in competition."

Comcast Corp. (NASDAQ:CMCSA) , for example, won't let its customers who pay extra for HBO watch the HBO Go service over a Roku box. "They believe the television experience is theirs," Dixon said. Roku said HBO is having talks with the non-participating companies.

The numbers of cord cutters in the U.S. is still small, but when some providers lost subscribers last year, cord cutting was believed to be a cause.

"The whole cord cutting thing its sort of like the weather in Texas," said Kurt Scherf, an analyst with Parks Associates. "Wait a day and it will change...It's not 'chicken little, the sky is falling' yet." Scherf believes currently there is more "cord shaving" going on, as consumers cut down on extras to lower their cable bill, such as getting rid of a second cable box and replace it with a Roku box.

The recent fourth-quarter earnings reports contained some positive news for some, such as Dish Network (NASDAQ:DISH) , which gained 22,000 net subscribers in the quarter, and said it has "begun to turn the tide in subscriber losses." Comcast is still losing cable subscribers, but its fourth-quarter loss of 17,000 cable subscribers was its lowest drop in five years.

For some consumers, there is enough content coming in through the Roku box that they don't miss cable, if they have gotten rid of it.

"I cancelled Comcast and my kids didn't even notice," said Jan Narkiewicz, a software developer in San Jose. His three children watch "Glee," "Gossip Girl," "Pretty Little Liars," and many shows via Roku. And he can now watch baseball games across the U.S. on MLB.com on his big-screen TV for an extra $125 a year, or about 83 cents to watch each game played by his favorite team, the Boston Red Sox.

The Roku box works either with a direct Ethernet hard-wired connection or a WiFi signal and offers an easy-to-navigate user interface. The content includes unlimited streaming of Netflix for $7.99 a month, Hulu Plus for $7.99, video on Amazon.com (NASDAQ:AMZN) , and many free channels. The fully-loaded $100 Roku 2 XS comes with a free full edition version of Rovio's Angry Birds.

"I get asked a lot, 'what smart TV should I buy?' And my response is get a great TV and buy a Roku box for $50," said Dixon. "These smart TVs cost $1,500 and they keep changing the platform. If there is this new web standard and the TV doesn't support it, are you going to go and buy another one? It's a no-brainer."

Roku, which means six in Japanese, is Wood's sixth company. The best known of those ventures is ReplayTV, which he started in 1997, where he invented the digital video recorder. In 1999, ReplayTV beat rival Tivo for Best in Show at the Consumer Electronics Show. It was gearing up to start its IPO roadshow in March of 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed, and the IPO was cancelled. The assets of ReplayTV were bought by DirectTV.

Roku fashions itself as an agnostic device, open to all content and cable services and touts how easy it is for developers to program for it and offer new channels. It's similar to how Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG) sees Android against Apple's iPhone. Indeed, Roku's biggest competition is Apple Inc.'s (NASDAQ:AAPL) Apple TV. Wood said Apple TV isn't as open. "Roku is about being an open platform."

In January, Roku launched the Roku Streaming Stick, a small device only slightly bigger than a thumb drive, which can be attached to a slot in a TV.

The company saw strong sales in 2011, hitting $100 million in revenue, up from $46 million in 2010. Analysts, however, believe its profit margins must be pretty thin, based on its consumer-friendly prices. Still, Wall Street investment bankers have come calling regarding an initial public offering, Wood said. "We are very interested in an IPO but not this year," he said.

As broadcasters, cable companies and others deal with the consumer shift to on-demand viewing, Roku is well placed for the trend.

"We don't watch live TV in my house," Wood said, describing a recent moment when he put his 7-year-old in front of a TV to watch the Disney Channel. "She said 'it's not what I want to watch.'"
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Roku certainly broke some new ground for many people in choice! It's growth in program carriage is a symbol of its success and acceptance.

I know in my case, I could live with Roku and FTA/OTA! (no satellite subs...my minimal ones are the HITS system) I have friends who live outside the "broadband area" that enjoy visiting to watch now and then even though they have a dish subscription! On our staff, one semi-retired person is considering dropping the video portion of cable in favor of a good OTA antenna, cutback to internet-only via cable service and a ROKU! I bought and tried a similar SONY streaming box, but the many offerings it has pales in comparison by both amount and popularity of offerings (aside from Netflix and Amazon.)
BiggRedd
We have OTA for ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX,PBS,etc. We Recently purchased a Roku 2 XS and have certainly found plenty of Free movies and TV programming as well as a few live streaming events. For now we are enjoying the "zero" cost of TV viewing. Netflix or some other paid service is a possibility in the future, but for now FREE is good!
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Most people aren't brave enough to go cold turkey, but they can certainly use a Roku box to reduce what they pay for tv. I think pay-tv providers big concern is that people are using it on a tv instead of a leased stb and lower their packages. Who needs an expensive leased box when you watch HBOGO on your Roku? Using Netflix as a "premium" channel, Amazon for PPV and Hulu+ for "On Demand" plus the fact that MLB and MLS offer their season packages on Roku for discounted rates can put a serious hurt on revenue for pay-tv providers. This reduced revenue is the big worry right now, while showing people that they might not need that expensive package filled with channels they don't watch down the road.
Juan
Most people aren't brave enough to go cold turkey, but they can certainly use a Roku box to reduce what they pay for tv. I think pay-tv providers big concern is that people are using it on a tv instead of a leased stb and lower their packages. Who needs an expensive leased box when you watch HBOGO on your Roku? Using Netflix as a "premium" channel, Amazon for PPV and Hulu+ for "On Demand" plus the fact that MLB and MLS offer their season packages on Roku for discounted rates can put a serious hurt on revenue for pay-tv providers. This reduced revenue is the big worry right now, while showing people that they might not need that expensive package filled with channels they don't watch down the road.
you still have one "bill"..the cable internet bill (or DSL)..the days of unlimited bandwidth are coming to a close and soon we will have "tiers" one way or the other they will still get in our wallets!!
cpdretired
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
Almighty1
This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.