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We had two DVRs (HR22 and HR21) that had been connected to the internet for a long time. They were connected to two wireless bridges and everything was working fine. Back when DTV was testing whole-home DVR, we even had them connected and working (they were choppy, but they worked). And they didn't have an issue connecting to the internet and downloading on demand stuff.

A couple of months ago, we got whole-home DVR and they sent a tech to set it up. He brought a wired CCK, and because my firewall is in the basement (where the RR connection comes in), I asked him to just plug it in to one of the wireless bridges. That's when things started to go south. He said he wasn't sure if it was going to work because of the wireless bridge... At that point whole-home seemed to be working fine. But the DVR couldn't download anything from the internet (we were using YouTube to test). The DVR actually showed connected and they were getting an IP from my firewall (on the other side of the wireless bridge) but no luck getting to YouTube. He called DTV and they said "it needs to be connected directly to the router and blah blah blah blah...". He tried a couple more things but no luck. So after a while he left and to let the receivers on overnight to see if the would get the on demand content... He said he would come back. After he left, just to make sure it wasn't a problem with the wireless bridge, the access point or the firewall, I unplugged the CCK from the bridge and the DECA ethernet cable from DVR and plug the DVR directly to the wireless bridge. Magic! Internet connection and YouTube available. He came back, called DTV, they insisted it was a problem with our wireless bridge. So we asked them to send the wireless CCK and the tech came to install it about a month later. No change. Same symptoms and behavior. The tech said they would have to send somebody else who knew the whole-home configuration better. So another guy came after a few days. He said the first guy installed the wrong equipment, so changed a couple of things. Still no luck. And now they were blaming the internet connection or the router. We went back and forth for a while and they finally said that whole-home dvr and on demand wouldn't work with our configuration, whatever that means. Even with the wireless CCK, they kept insisting the problem was with the internet connection, even though other devices connected to the same wireless network had no issues whatsoever. At that point, we told the guy to unplug the whole-home dvr stuff and take it. He asked us not to do that because if the issue wasn't resolved he wouldn't get paid for the call, and he said he would have his boss come over and explain why it would not work. Never heard back from anybody. And the connection from the DVRs is not working. So I unplugged the DECA from both DVRs and plug them into my wireless bridges again. Bam! Internet connection again... and whole-home over wireless (yeah, I know, it's crappy).

So that's where we are. We were charged for a tech call, even though it never worked and it should all have been part of the same call, and we are paying for a service we can barely use (it's really choppy over wireless). Any idea what could be the problem?

Sorry for the book, but it wasn't a short story :)
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Yep. Everything you describe is quite accurate and should behave the way you describe it. Unfortunately, the D* techs simply don't have the necessary training on network setups even today. My installer was so confused the day he was here. And since I did not have a CCK on my order he was baffled just trying to get vanilla MRV working. When he called his D* installer support and I overheard what they were telling him to do and realized that MRV was just basic IP networking over D*'s coax. And that is the issue you are encountering with your system.

When setup correctly, you should be able to see all your HD IRDs on your router table. The best (simplest) way to accomplish this is to connect a wired CCK to your router (which you refer to as a "firewall"). Then you run a coax from the CCK to a port on your splitter (or add a two-way splitter) to the line and insert it there. This allows all your receivers/DVRs to have their own IP address and be directly connected to your router. (For your receivers you have to have the external DECAs to transfer the IP signal from the coax to your receiver.) The other option is to use the DirecTV wireless CCK and insert it into the coax line close to one of your receivers. (The wireless CCK has a coax in and out so you do not need a separate splitter to insert it into your line.) Paralleling the wired CCK, the wireless CCK apparently acts as a switch that retains the individual addressibility of each receiver to retain a direct connection to your router. Your wireless bridge cannot provide this vital functionality.

So, everything you have seen is exactly how one would expect things to behave. Hopefully, D* can find someone who can get this to work for you. But, as you have discovered, MRV loves to work over your home network and if you are content, you can just live with this option. Although, you need to know that D* will refuse to provide any support for problems with this configuration.
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AJ,
Hopefully the installer left you with the terminators he removed from your splitter. For SWM to work correctly all open connectors need to be terminated with a 70 ohm terminator. Those are the things that look like tire valve caps with a little blip sticking out of them. It would be best to get to your splitter and disconnect the line they ran from your CCK to the splitter. Just put the terminator on that open connection.

You might get away with having a switch in line between your router and the HR34. But, I agree with your installer that it is better to make the connection directly to your router. What is key for all this to work is that each of your DVRs need to have an address in your router table. If you have more than one and do not see each in your router table you will need to make a direct connection to your router.

This adressability is particularly important for the app you describe. When you start that app DirecTV's servers need to make contact with whatever receiver contains the content you want to watch and begin to download that video. DirecTV then has to reformat it to something your handheld device can work with and then ship the converted packet back to your ipad. If you do not have the necessary addressability set correctly this whole process just fails. So when you get everything connected be sure to look at the connected devices list on your router to make sure everything is connecting correctly.

Have a great one,
Bob
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Thanks for the info Bob. I got home disconnected the CCK, plugged the cat5 into the HMC and rebooted it. It ran its cycle. I checked and it says connected to the internet via my switch! woohoo. checked the on demand and it all came up! Then went to the ipad and iphone and voila it all works now!!! CCK is in the garage in my box of extra network stuff.
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Very glad it all worked out for you. Do enjoy. D* is a great service.
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Yep. Everything you describe is quite accurate and should behave the way you describe it. Unfortunately, the D* techs simply don't have the necessary training on network setups even today. My installer was so confused the day he was here. And since I did not have a CCK on my order he was baffled just trying to get vanilla MRV working. When he called his D* installer support and I overheard what they were telling him to do and realized that MRV was just basic IP networking over D*'s coax. And that is the issue you are encountering with your system.

When setup correctly, you should be able to see all your HD IRDs on your router table. The best (simplest) way to accomplish this is to connect a wired CCK to your router (which you refer to as a "firewall"). Then you run a coax from the CCK to a port on your splitter (or add a two-way splitter) to the line and insert it there. This allows all your receivers/DVRs to have their own IP address and be directly connected to your router. (For your receivers you have to have the external DECAs to transfer the IP signal from the coax to your receiver.) The other option is to use the DirecTV wireless CCK and insert it into the coax line close to one of your receivers. (The wireless CCK has a coax in and out so you do not need a separate splitter to insert it into your line.) Paralleling the wired CCK, the wireless CCK apparently acts as a switch that retains the individual addressibility of each receiver to retain a direct connection to your router. Your wireless bridge cannot provide this vital functionality.

So, everything you have seen is exactly how one would expect things to behave. Hopefully, D* can find someone who can get this to work for you. But, as you have discovered, MRV loves to work over your home network and if you are content, you can just live with this option. Although, you need to know that D* will refuse to provide any support for problems with this configuration.

I haven't had time to work on this until this week. We got a new wireless CCK and DECAs from DTV, just in case. But as you can guess, still no luck.

A wired CCK is not really at option. The firewall (not just a router) is in the garage, and running CAT5 all over the house is not something I want to deal with right now. I connected everything back (wireless CCK and DECAs) and MRV works fine. And anything Internet related (On demand, YouTube, Pandora... ) doesn't. I did try something else today, just to verify the wireless network is not the issue.

I have an HR21 connected directly to the CCK, using a DECA adapter. So I unplugged the network cable coming from the DECA from the back of the DVR, and I plug another network cable directly between the DVR and the CCK. No other changes. The Internet connection now works fine. Connect it back through the DECA adapter and it's gone again. I thought that maybe the cabling had something to do with the issue, but I'm not sure anymore.

At this point, I don't know what else to try. To me, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's time to ask for an HR34 and try it that way....

I forgot to mention I can connect to both DVRs and the CCK from a wired client without issues.
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Amergim,
Exactly what device are you using as a firewall? And what is the make and model of your router? Something in your setup must be causing the failure you are seeing.
Bob
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
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Hondo is back with a new squad 9/25 only on Starz.


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Never watched the previous shows, so doubtful.
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Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.
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I like Zyra from La Brea (one with the prosthetic).
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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