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Hi,
I have a few questions about this PVR, bear with me a minute while I explain.
First off, I am NOT a "gamer", I do not own or use game machines, at all. I bought this to record from Dish...
I am a subscriber to Dish, I get AT250 and a few of the premium channels.
For the past year and a half I have had a 2tb disk on my VIP211k and I had recorded a LOT of stuff.
A few weeks ago my HD dish (I use three separate and very large dishes, loooooong story) had lost alignment because the ground dried out and the dish drooped.
So I needed to take my tuner outside to the dish and realign the dish. I went to the tuner and entered the menu utilities and told that to remove the disk from the system.
I followed the on screen prompts and did what the tuner told me to do. I powered everything down, took the tuner outside, re-aligned the dish, took the tuner back inside and reconnected everything.
The disk was never recognized by the tuner again.
I tried and tried everything imaginable to get the tuner to recognize the disk. Nothing would work at all. I even plugged it into a little laptop I have that runs Mint Linux.
In the past, out of curiosity I plugged the disk into that laptop and it recognized it and I could browse the contents however the contents are encrypted and I couldn't do anything other than view proprietary, encrypted files.
I reconnected the disk to the tuner and it saw it just fine and I was able to use it for more than a year.
So, after losing a LOT of stuff I really wanted to keep, I got MAD!
I decided this would never happen again. Everything else I own, I can make backup copies of. But not my Dish disk! And if there was ever a reason to back it up, this was the reason!
So I went and purchased a very small disk, the smallest I could find, 160gb. I wish I could have found one even smaller but this was about the bottom. It was only $29 so that's fine.
I also bought the Hauppauge HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition Plus from Amazon.
The reason I bought the smallest disk possible was to prevent me from stockpiling a bazillion recordings, again. It also goes through the mandatory daily disk check in a matter of minutes. With the 2tb disk it was taking TWO HOURS every morning. It was pretty much full though.
The reason I bought this specific PVR is because it was the only model that came with a Mac OS X app AND it can do HDMI pass-through. Or so they claim. It also was the only one that came with all the cables to connect to ~anything~.
I installed the app on my Mac and that part of it seems to work just fine. I like that I can click on stuff in Titan and schedule recordings however, it does not have the IR blaster option
and I have to also create a timer in the tuner to auto-tune the show. The bad this is, while it's doing it's thing, I can not press anything on the remote control because it will also record any info pop-ups that the tuner would display onscreen.
I also have to cause the tuner to auto-tune the channel rather than record the channel because it will often record the channel in the background while it plays a local OTA channel on screen.
So here's my real problem with it. They claim that the device will record via HDMI pass-through. Ok, so I tried that. Not so much, no worky-worky...
What happens when I put the Hauppauge recorder inline between the Dish tuner and my TV is that the video plays just fine but on the TV, there's a horrific sputtering noise that is unbearable and makes it totally impossible to use in this way. I tried all sorts of different setups and different cables but it was always the same horrible noise. However, I did try to make some test recordings while connected in this way and they came out just fine. The video was great and the audio was great too. So as a recorder, it did as it was advertised to do. But it just would not pass the audio through without ruining it at the TV end.
Is this due to something Dish is doing to prevent people from trying to do what I tried to do? I know they want you to be locked into their little garden, that they don't want you to be able to take recordings and save them in the way YOU want to save them, that they don't allow you to back up your disks to recover from disaster. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing something to prevent recording on your terms.
What I ended up having to do is connect the Hauppauge recorder to the component video of the on the VIP211k which is limited to 1080i/60. But as I understand it, Dish broadcasts only in "HD Lite" and that there are no 1080p broadcasts anywhere in the US anyway, everything in the US is either 720p or 1080i so connecting to the component shouldn't be an issue.
For audio, I used the red laser wire, I can't ever remember what it's called, optical something, it's the little fiber wire with a red light.
Is there any way to use the HDMI pass through on D* or is it just forbidden by them?
The other question is about recording and bit rates. The Hauppauge app has a lot of options to select when recording.
They are, using variable rate in the kbps range,
1. Good - 5 to 7
2. Better - 7 - 9
3. Best - 9 -10
4. Insanely Good - 14 - 14
Of course the faster it goes, the more it burns up disk.
Ultimately I will end up editing out the commercials and scaling them down from 1080i/60 to 720p/24. Doing that will save disk space. But I want to maintain a balance between the best possible quality but still keep a focus on saving disk space..
Here's some info I took from a recording log.
Input #0, mpegts, from '/Volumes/2tb-Video/new-PVR/20130806_161020.m2ts':
Duration: 00:00:01.61, start: 1.490078, bitrate: 5183 kb/s
Program 1
Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 59.92 fps, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1[0x1100]: Audio: ac3, 0 channels
Output #0, mp4, to '/Volumes/2tb-Video/new-PVR/20130806_161020.m2ts.mp4':
Stream #0.0: Video: 0x0021, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 60k tbn, 29.97 tbc
Stream #0.1: Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 128 kb/s
What would be the suggested bit rate to record using the Hauppauge PVR?
I have searched high and low but I can not find anywhere that tells what bit rate Dish Network transmits their HD content.. I mean, are they using a low bit rate? If they are using a low bit rate then it's my thinking that I won't gain anything by recording in a higher bit rate than they transmit, right? Like if they are only using 3.5kbps for HD(lite) then it would not help me to record it at 5kbps or higher, right?
In other works, if they are using 3.5kbps I could set it for variable bit rate between 3.5 to 5kbps and still get a good quality recording. That's what I'm thinking.
I don't really know the working of Dish equipment as they have a "hands off" policy and don't allow people to explore or peek inside what they are doing.
I am a professional photographer, I own a Canon EOS 5D Mark II so I know about image compression and how BAD it is. I shoot and work in RAW mode so that I can always have the very best results.
I only use jpg when I publish stuff online for others to see because most people can't view RAW images, they are very large and most people wouldn't know the difference or care anyway. But I do.
I want to have good video recordings but I know very little about Dish technical and this new Hauppauge PVR, well it's new to me. My thing is still photography, I don't have a whole lot of knowledge about video. Except watching them. I have a LOT of experience with that..
Any advice would be appreciated!
?Thanks!
I have a few questions about this PVR, bear with me a minute while I explain.
First off, I am NOT a "gamer", I do not own or use game machines, at all. I bought this to record from Dish...
I am a subscriber to Dish, I get AT250 and a few of the premium channels.
For the past year and a half I have had a 2tb disk on my VIP211k and I had recorded a LOT of stuff.
A few weeks ago my HD dish (I use three separate and very large dishes, loooooong story) had lost alignment because the ground dried out and the dish drooped.
So I needed to take my tuner outside to the dish and realign the dish. I went to the tuner and entered the menu utilities and told that to remove the disk from the system.
I followed the on screen prompts and did what the tuner told me to do. I powered everything down, took the tuner outside, re-aligned the dish, took the tuner back inside and reconnected everything.
The disk was never recognized by the tuner again.
I tried and tried everything imaginable to get the tuner to recognize the disk. Nothing would work at all. I even plugged it into a little laptop I have that runs Mint Linux.
In the past, out of curiosity I plugged the disk into that laptop and it recognized it and I could browse the contents however the contents are encrypted and I couldn't do anything other than view proprietary, encrypted files.
I reconnected the disk to the tuner and it saw it just fine and I was able to use it for more than a year.
So, after losing a LOT of stuff I really wanted to keep, I got MAD!
I decided this would never happen again. Everything else I own, I can make backup copies of. But not my Dish disk! And if there was ever a reason to back it up, this was the reason!
So I went and purchased a very small disk, the smallest I could find, 160gb. I wish I could have found one even smaller but this was about the bottom. It was only $29 so that's fine.
I also bought the Hauppauge HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition Plus from Amazon.
The reason I bought the smallest disk possible was to prevent me from stockpiling a bazillion recordings, again. It also goes through the mandatory daily disk check in a matter of minutes. With the 2tb disk it was taking TWO HOURS every morning. It was pretty much full though.
The reason I bought this specific PVR is because it was the only model that came with a Mac OS X app AND it can do HDMI pass-through. Or so they claim. It also was the only one that came with all the cables to connect to ~anything~.
I installed the app on my Mac and that part of it seems to work just fine. I like that I can click on stuff in Titan and schedule recordings however, it does not have the IR blaster option
and I have to also create a timer in the tuner to auto-tune the show. The bad this is, while it's doing it's thing, I can not press anything on the remote control because it will also record any info pop-ups that the tuner would display onscreen.I also have to cause the tuner to auto-tune the channel rather than record the channel because it will often record the channel in the background while it plays a local OTA channel on screen.
So here's my real problem with it. They claim that the device will record via HDMI pass-through. Ok, so I tried that. Not so much, no worky-worky...
What happens when I put the Hauppauge recorder inline between the Dish tuner and my TV is that the video plays just fine but on the TV, there's a horrific sputtering noise that is unbearable and makes it totally impossible to use in this way. I tried all sorts of different setups and different cables but it was always the same horrible noise. However, I did try to make some test recordings while connected in this way and they came out just fine. The video was great and the audio was great too. So as a recorder, it did as it was advertised to do. But it just would not pass the audio through without ruining it at the TV end.
Is this due to something Dish is doing to prevent people from trying to do what I tried to do? I know they want you to be locked into their little garden, that they don't want you to be able to take recordings and save them in the way YOU want to save them, that they don't allow you to back up your disks to recover from disaster. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing something to prevent recording on your terms.
What I ended up having to do is connect the Hauppauge recorder to the component video of the on the VIP211k which is limited to 1080i/60. But as I understand it, Dish broadcasts only in "HD Lite" and that there are no 1080p broadcasts anywhere in the US anyway, everything in the US is either 720p or 1080i so connecting to the component shouldn't be an issue.
For audio, I used the red laser wire, I can't ever remember what it's called, optical something, it's the little fiber wire with a red light.
Is there any way to use the HDMI pass through on D* or is it just forbidden by them?
The other question is about recording and bit rates. The Hauppauge app has a lot of options to select when recording.
They are, using variable rate in the kbps range,
1. Good - 5 to 7
2. Better - 7 - 9
3. Best - 9 -10
4. Insanely Good - 14 - 14
Of course the faster it goes, the more it burns up disk.
Ultimately I will end up editing out the commercials and scaling them down from 1080i/60 to 720p/24. Doing that will save disk space. But I want to maintain a balance between the best possible quality but still keep a focus on saving disk space..
Here's some info I took from a recording log.
Input #0, mpegts, from '/Volumes/2tb-Video/new-PVR/20130806_161020.m2ts':
Duration: 00:00:01.61, start: 1.490078, bitrate: 5183 kb/s
Program 1
Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 59.92 fps, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1[0x1100]: Audio: ac3, 0 channels
Output #0, mp4, to '/Volumes/2tb-Video/new-PVR/20130806_161020.m2ts.mp4':
Stream #0.0: Video: 0x0021, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 60k tbn, 29.97 tbc
Stream #0.1: Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 128 kb/s
What would be the suggested bit rate to record using the Hauppauge PVR?
I have searched high and low but I can not find anywhere that tells what bit rate Dish Network transmits their HD content.. I mean, are they using a low bit rate? If they are using a low bit rate then it's my thinking that I won't gain anything by recording in a higher bit rate than they transmit, right? Like if they are only using 3.5kbps for HD(lite) then it would not help me to record it at 5kbps or higher, right?
In other works, if they are using 3.5kbps I could set it for variable bit rate between 3.5 to 5kbps and still get a good quality recording. That's what I'm thinking.
I don't really know the working of Dish equipment as they have a "hands off" policy and don't allow people to explore or peek inside what they are doing.
I am a professional photographer, I own a Canon EOS 5D Mark II so I know about image compression and how BAD it is. I shoot and work in RAW mode so that I can always have the very best results.
I only use jpg when I publish stuff online for others to see because most people can't view RAW images, they are very large and most people wouldn't know the difference or care anyway. But I do.
I want to have good video recordings but I know very little about Dish technical and this new Hauppauge PVR, well it's new to me. My thing is still photography, I don't have a whole lot of knowledge about video. Except watching them. I have a LOT of experience with that..
Any advice would be appreciated!
?Thanks!
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Yes, and no... If I plug ONLY the Hauppauge into the D* tuner, it will record audio and video just fine. BUT, it will not pass through the audio when I plug my TV in.
When I plug in the TV to create a pass-through situation, the recording still comes out just fine but the audio coming out of the TV is utterly ruined, it "sputters" loudly and you can not listen to it. The video on the TV looks fine though.
Well, I can't really do this because my system is a little weird. The VIP211K feeds into an HDMI 3 to 1 switch. That feeds into a 1 to 4 splitter.
With the switch I can I can select which video source I want to see. That goes to a 4 way splitter so that it then will display on all the TV's in the house at the same time.
I have never had any problems with this configuration. When I tried to insert the Hauppauge into it all and it didn't work, I thought maybe it maybe have to do with the switch or the splitter.
So I tried putting it in before the switch, then between the switch and the splitter then between the splitter and the TV in my office. No luck..
Then I tried putting it straight in the middle between the satellite and the TV in my office, without the switch or splitter in it at all. Still no..
So it seems that the Dish system does not like the Hauppauge trying to record through the HDMI.
Well, that's ok, I just hooked it to the component and optical on the tuner and that works fine. The HDMI circuit remains the way it was before and works just fine.
Oh, and as for some sort of IR blaster thing, I'm open to suggestions! Is there one I can buy that plugs into my Mac? In the setup there is an option for using an external channel changer. ???
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I tried to use the auto-tune on something last night and while it did work, for some reason it didn't record audio. So I've decided that I'll have the tuner actually record to disk then play that back into the tuner so that in case the Hauppauge doesn't record properly I can try again and again until I get it right then I can delete the file from the Dish disk.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.
Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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For the naysayers who did not think this service would make it, just added another 4.9M subscribers and that was after the removal of 1.2M Russia subscribers.
This is even better, Paramount+ revenue grew 120% and Subscription revenue grew 74% year-over-year ( 2nd quarter 2021/ 2nd quarter 2022) to $830M, principally reflecting paid subscriber growth on Paramount+.
Now compare that to Peacock with only 13 million paid, 13 million free.
This is even better, Paramount+ revenue grew 120% and Subscription revenue grew 74% year-over-year ( 2nd quarter 2021/ 2nd quarter 2022) to $830M, principally reflecting paid subscriber growth on Paramount+.
Now compare that to Peacock with only 13 million paid, 13 million free.
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So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.
Paramount+ has always had the CBS shows on the CBS local channel and yes with commercials. What they are doing now is releasing the OnDemand versions of the show which I believe they don't release until after the shows air on the west coast. And they will be commercial free if you subscribe to the ad free version of Paramount+.So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.
I wasn't up at 3:00 am to check but they are there at 8:00 am today.
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
Apple TV 4K
Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
