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Thanks for taking time to read this post, I appreciate the help/advice anyone can offer... I am fairly new to DISH and have only been a customer for about 4 months.
As a side note have done cat5e cabling and large scale networks, but I am a newb when it comes to TV/SAT cabling so please be gentle...
The current install is
--Dish about 40ft away on the north side of the house that is almost to the woods line and points generally in a South-ish direction (Installer set it all up and it works great).
--Hopper in the main living room (main level)
--Joey in the guest bedroom (2nd floor)
--Joey in the master bedroom (main level)
**From what I can see in the crawspace there are two dish cables coming in. One of them seems to go to a 1:2 splitter, and then to the Joeys. The other runs directly to the Hopper from what I can tell. (does this make sense?)
-- I have two rooms (kids bedrooms) that do not have dish but have cable wall jacks ( I found out there they terminated under the house to a non-used splitter that was left over from comcast)
We are adding a pool house ~75ft away from where the dish cable comes into the house and I want to switch the layout to this..
--Hopper in the main living room (main house/main level)
--Joey in the master bedroom (main level/main house) *** This is optional see note below
-- 2x Joeys in the Pool house (one tv inside in the main area, and the other under a canopy outside)
*** Comcast called me up and offered me a $5 a month uptick on my cable internet that doubled my speed, and gives me 24 months of their lower tier digital TV. The nice thing is that without High Def/dvr the extra boxes are $1.50 a month via comcast and that works great since the largest tv in the guest bedroom/master is 32'' and high def isn't that needed.
--Comcast would likely be ran to all three upstairs bedrooms, and potentially our master bedroom.. It seemed more economical to just do this vs getting another hopper etc... I have tested this out and it works fine, so I am good here.
The questions I have are ..
1.) Is this as simple as taking the cable that is connecting to the two joeys and tracing it back to the dish and re-routing it to the pool house (replacing it with premium rg11 buried cable ina straight-ish line). I would connect it just like it is under the house to a splitter then running it to the independent joeys I want to use via RG6? (Effectively in my mind this just moves the two joeys that are currently in my house to a different location and that should work?)
2.) Any suggestions on RG11 vs RG6 cable ran in a conduit (I can run it in the same one as phone and internet, or use a buried cable outside the conduit in the ditch).. The total run from the dish is less than 125' which I read should be fine without terrible signal loss.
3.) Would you recommend anything different?
4.) Are there better brands/types of cable out there I need to look at to minimize signal loss ?
5.) Should I just throw in the towel before starting and just call dish to send a tech out to help?
6.) As an alternative to #5 if there are any pros are in the Nashville TN area I could pay you in beer to help out
Thanks again,
~Shoulda2
As a side note have done cat5e cabling and large scale networks, but I am a newb when it comes to TV/SAT cabling so please be gentle...
The current install is
--Dish about 40ft away on the north side of the house that is almost to the woods line and points generally in a South-ish direction (Installer set it all up and it works great).
--Hopper in the main living room (main level)
--Joey in the guest bedroom (2nd floor)
--Joey in the master bedroom (main level)
**From what I can see in the crawspace there are two dish cables coming in. One of them seems to go to a 1:2 splitter, and then to the Joeys. The other runs directly to the Hopper from what I can tell. (does this make sense?)
-- I have two rooms (kids bedrooms) that do not have dish but have cable wall jacks ( I found out there they terminated under the house to a non-used splitter that was left over from comcast)
We are adding a pool house ~75ft away from where the dish cable comes into the house and I want to switch the layout to this..
--Hopper in the main living room (main house/main level)
--Joey in the master bedroom (main level/main house) *** This is optional see note below
-- 2x Joeys in the Pool house (one tv inside in the main area, and the other under a canopy outside)
*** Comcast called me up and offered me a $5 a month uptick on my cable internet that doubled my speed, and gives me 24 months of their lower tier digital TV. The nice thing is that without High Def/dvr the extra boxes are $1.50 a month via comcast and that works great since the largest tv in the guest bedroom/master is 32'' and high def isn't that needed.
--Comcast would likely be ran to all three upstairs bedrooms, and potentially our master bedroom.. It seemed more economical to just do this vs getting another hopper etc... I have tested this out and it works fine, so I am good here.
The questions I have are ..
1.) Is this as simple as taking the cable that is connecting to the two joeys and tracing it back to the dish and re-routing it to the pool house (replacing it with premium rg11 buried cable ina straight-ish line). I would connect it just like it is under the house to a splitter then running it to the independent joeys I want to use via RG6? (Effectively in my mind this just moves the two joeys that are currently in my house to a different location and that should work?)
2.) Any suggestions on RG11 vs RG6 cable ran in a conduit (I can run it in the same one as phone and internet, or use a buried cable outside the conduit in the ditch).. The total run from the dish is less than 125' which I read should be fine without terrible signal loss.
3.) Would you recommend anything different?
4.) Are there better brands/types of cable out there I need to look at to minimize signal loss ?
5.) Should I just throw in the towel before starting and just call dish to send a tech out to help?
6.) As an alternative to #5 if there are any pros are in the Nashville TN area I could pay you in beer to help out
Thanks again,
~Shoulda2
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Thanks for reading this reply it have been a nightmare dealing with contractors and BS building something without a main contractor.. But I am about 2 weeks out from being ready to pull the wire through the conduit ...
I have decided to just move my two Joeys to the pool house and have just the Hopper in the main house (might add a 3rd joey at some point in the main house but not soon).. Mainly this is because comcast who I have my internet through called me up and offered basic digital tv for $5 more per month and doubled my Internet speed as well in that package... I can now get basic digital TV in my two kids rooms (good enough for them) + guest room + master bedroom for $5 a month added to my bill ( I negotiated little digital boxes for the bedrooms for free). However the main TV in the house + the two tv's at the pool house will all be on the better Dish service..
So the big questions i have are.
1.) Do I connect the long run (~180ft) from the node out of the client port to the pool house and then split it there to the two Joeys? Or is there a reason to connect two long run cables and have the splitter closer to the node? ( I would obviously prefer the first way for fewer cables in the conduit)
2.) I am intending to use RG11 not RG6 for the long run ~180ft, is there a reason I shouldn't do this other than cost? I am very likely going to run two cables through for redundancy in case one goes bad for any reason and leave extra lengths on the end to trim. However only one cable will be active (if I can do it the way I want)... I know I *might* be able to use RG6 but the contractor doing this is going to charge me the same either cable (11 vs 6)
3.) Is there a reason the same conduit can't share cat5e?
My connections ( you can't see the splitter for the joeys under the house but it's there, the tap seems to have a capped end for what I can figure is a third joey.)
Here is the pic from the side of the house to to the pool house + satellite etc.
a Pic of the coduit coming into the pool house (2'' and it will share ethernet cable)
I have decided to just move my two Joeys to the pool house and have just the Hopper in the main house (might add a 3rd joey at some point in the main house but not soon).. Mainly this is because comcast who I have my internet through called me up and offered basic digital tv for $5 more per month and doubled my Internet speed as well in that package... I can now get basic digital TV in my two kids rooms (good enough for them) + guest room + master bedroom for $5 a month added to my bill ( I negotiated little digital boxes for the bedrooms for free). However the main TV in the house + the two tv's at the pool house will all be on the better Dish service..
So the big questions i have are.
1.) Do I connect the long run (~180ft) from the node out of the client port to the pool house and then split it there to the two Joeys? Or is there a reason to connect two long run cables and have the splitter closer to the node? ( I would obviously prefer the first way for fewer cables in the conduit)
2.) I am intending to use RG11 not RG6 for the long run ~180ft, is there a reason I shouldn't do this other than cost? I am very likely going to run two cables through for redundancy in case one goes bad for any reason and leave extra lengths on the end to trim. However only one cable will be active (if I can do it the way I want)... I know I *might* be able to use RG6 but the contractor doing this is going to charge me the same either cable (11 vs 6)
3.) Is there a reason the same conduit can't share cat5e?
My connections ( you can't see the splitter for the joeys under the house but it's there, the tap seems to have a capped end for what I can figure is a third joey.)
Here is the pic from the side of the house to to the pool house + satellite etc.
a Pic of the coduit coming into the pool house (2'' and it will share ethernet cable)
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.
So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll callThey ought to have fun with this…
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
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We've literally got a movie already about this
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Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.
That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:
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Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke 
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN
Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
