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Why is everybody so anxious for MPEG4 to come out?

I fail to see why everybody wants MPEG4 to come so badly. Sure it will allow the addition of a few more channels, but it's not gonna make the picture look any better. Am I missing something? :confused:
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Frank Jr.
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From what I have read no one outside of DishNetwork knows when that will be implemented. I don't think DishNetwork even has an exact date or their not telling. Swapping out everyones receivers will be costly. Costly for whom? Don't think that DishNetwork will pay for it. No matter what product or service it is when there is a cost increase the consumer ALWAYS pays for it. It does however pay for the consumer to be informed. All these current receivers will at some point be door stops. Think about the receiver you are currently thinking about buying from some retailer or even directly from your dbs provider or even the ones you currently own. They all know that one day in the future it will be useless. It seems as though what the dbs industry wants is for everyone to lease the equipment not own it.
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From what I have read no one outside of DishNetwork knows when that will be implemented. I don't think DishNetwork even has an exact date or their not telling. Swapping out everyones receivers will be costly. Costly for whom? Don't think that DishNetwork will pay for it. No matter what product or service it is when there is a cost increase the consumer ALWAYS pays for it. It does however pay for the consumer to be informed. All these current receivers will at some point be door stops. Think about the receiver you are currently thinking about buying from some retailer or even directly from your dbs provider or even the ones you currently own. They all know that one day in the future it will be useless. It seems as though what the dbs industry wants is for everyone to lease the equipment not own it.
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Yep. Undoubtedly, they will jack up the monthly programming rates to pay for the cost of this changeover. DirecTv will do the same, and you may have to pay $75-80/month for the most basic package! At some point, you will have to decide if it's time to stop feeding the (dbs) pig.
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BobMurdoch
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BabaLouie said:
Yep. Undoubtedly, they will jack up the monthly programming rates to pay for the cost of this changeover. DirecTv will do the same, and you may have to pay $75-80/month for the most basic package! At some point, you will have to decide if it's time to stop feeding the (dbs) pig.
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They'll STILL be cheaper than Cable which is jacking up prices twice a year lately.
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joemama said:
I fail to see why everybody wants MPEG4 to come so badly. Sure it will allow the addition of a few more channels, but it's not gonna make the picture look any better. Am I missing something?
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They CAN improve the PQ if they lower the compression ratios on the actual signal. PQ is a matter of bytes ... let's pretend for one second they are pixels, even though they are not. Satellite providers like D* & E* will benefit because the more efficient compression scheme of MPEG4 would allow them to double the content overnight. Since we know they would not do this they will bump of things like HD and hopefully back off on the signal encoding. Meaning a pixel is a pixel: if currently they are sending 1024 pixels from a transponder but it is compressed to the point that only 720 of the pixels are effectively displayed they should easily have the room to display the entire 1024 under MPEG4 ... which subsequently could provide for 2048 pixels in the same amount of bandwidth.

Wow, even I am confused now ... but the point is that MPEG4 could make the picture better, but that does not mean that is what they will do with the increased bandwidth.
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My initial question was somewhat loaded. I know how MPEG2 works, and I know some of the advantages that MPEG4 can bring. I was trying to guage what the average poster here knows. From most of the posts I've read, it seems a majority of the people here think once the MPEG4 switch is thrown the amount of channels will double and the picture quality will increase. Over time this may happen, but in a side by side test, the average Joe won't even know the difference.
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Bruce
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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ncted
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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Jimbo
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(((Garyd))) said:
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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The weak point would be the connection between the outdoor feed and the indoor feed.
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Jimbo
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brice52 said:
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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Copper lines are fine ... until it hits the AIR.
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Bruce
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dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one
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Bruce
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Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

You would believe both companies would of learned from what happened with their TV services, which was ignore that cord cutting was a thing, allowed competition ( streaming) to get a foothold in the industry.

Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, than Fiber, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

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Spectrum Loses 233,000 Internet and 77,000 TV Customers in Third Quarter As Cord Cutting 2.0 Grows | Cord Cutters News

Charter Communications reported a further erosion of its core broadband base in the third quarter of 2026, with Spectrum losing 233,000 Internet customers on a pro forma basis that incorporates the recently completed Cox acquisition. Residential accounts accounted for nearly all of the decline...
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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ewindowman
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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Scott Greczkowski
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Bruce
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Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Bruce
Bruce
Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

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man00
Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week :)
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Foxbat
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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
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Religious Exemption from Using AI?

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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92AtfTLge4

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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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dishstaller said:
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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osu1991
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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Rodney Dangerfield is great. One of his best one liners - "My wife likes to talk to me during sex, last night she called me from Florida!"

Jackie Gleason is another one of the greats.


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