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Last reply Feb 23, 2014 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

HD Free For Life (reg $10)

Is this something I should be proud that I have, or does everyone have it by now and used to make me feel good?

Their website now says HD Free for 24 months (assuming when you sign a 2 year agreement), do these people then have to pay $10 starting month 25?

I wonder if SD will ever really go away besides maybe to avoid the added bandwidth it takes to have duplicate channels. Its not exactly like phasing out analog to go to digital.

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Scott Greczkowski

Feb 20, 2014

It seems these days that people forget that businesses are in business to make a profit. Profit is not a dirty word.

Teehar

Feb 20, 2014

Scott Greczkowski said:
It seems these days that people forget that businesses are in business to make a profit. Profit is not a dirty word.

No it isn't but GREED sure is!

Scherrman

Feb 21, 2014

"Charge because you can fees" seems to be a popular term on here. Are you saying this is just a Dish thing or are you saying that every provider that charges for HD, extra receivers and DVR is doing the same thing?

foghorn2

Feb 21, 2014

Teehar said:
No it isn't but GREED sure is!

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Dish Network, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

mike123abc

Feb 21, 2014

Scherrman said:
"Charge because you can fees" seems to be a popular term on here. Are you saying this is just a Dish thing or are you saying that every provider that charges for HD, extra receivers and DVR is doing the same thing?

It is not really charge what you can, but what they think they need to maximize revenue and still remain competitive. The relative cost for a receiver to Dish has come down over the years, yet the fee has gone up. Your $7/month is not really covering the cost of the receiver (you pay it even if you bought it up front), but as a fee mechanism Dish uses to bring in more money. This is not to be construed as trying to screw customers out of cash but a way to get more revenue for a logical reason that the consumer can understand.

The business model is that there is a base package fee that is advertised and then you put on a bunch of fees below the line. In the past Dish tried to resist, but now they have joined the rest of the industry.

It is like Southwest Airlines. Currently they do not have a baggage fee. Does this mean that they do not have to pay for extra jet fuel to carry bags? No, but they think it is a better way to advertise being no fees on luggage, or ticket changes. Why do other airlines charge $25 when studies have show it is really only around $2 extra cost to the airline for a checked bag? Well it is a profit center that helps the airline to break even.

Make no mistake every fee that Dish and all the other providers have are completely decided by them, they could waive any of them if they decided they would get more customers and profit without them. Why does Dish now say they have a $10 HD fee? Well perhaps they never intend on charging it, but it looks good to say you get another $10 off for 2 years when they make their ad up - and there is more! save $10/month off the price for fee HD for 2 years!

I am sure Dish (and all the others) carefully study the impact of every fee. I am sure they have focus groups to see if they can make it sound reasonable and logical (i.e. you got another box so paying $7-$17/month is reasonable). They also then are able to use that money to lower the package price, or perhaps give more incentives to new customers.

Dish's least profitable customer is probably someone with just one 211 with EHD. No extra fees, just the base package price. But, they elected to set the system up that way. I am sure they are still making money on that customer, just not as much as others.

Scherrman

Feb 21, 2014

mike123abc said:
It is not really charge what you can, but what they think they need to maximize revenue and still remain competitive. The relative cost for a receiver to Dish has come down over the years, yet the fee has gone up. Your $7/month is not really covering the cost of the receiver (you pay it even if you bought it up front), but as a fee mechanism Dish uses to bring in more money. This is not to be construed as trying to screw customers out of cash but a way to get more revenue for a logical reason that the consumer can understand.

The business model is that there is a base package fee that is advertised and then you put on a bunch of fees below the line. In the past Dish tried to resist, but now they have joined the rest of the industry.

It is like Southwest Airlines. Currently they do not have a baggage fee. Does this mean that they do not have to pay for extra jet fuel to carry bags? No, but they think it is a better way to advertise being no fees on luggage, or ticket changes. Why do other airlines charge $25 when studies have show it is really only around $2 extra cost to the airline for a checked bag? Well it is a profit center that helps the airline to break even.

Make no mistake every fee that Dish and all the other providers have are completely decided by them, they could waive any of them if they decided they would get more customers and profit without them. Why does Dish now say they have a $10 HD fee? Well perhaps they never intend on charging it, but it looks good to say you get another $10 off for 2 years when they make their ad up - and there is more! save $10/month off the price for fee HD for 2 years!

I am sure Dish (and all the others) carefully study the impact of every fee. I am sure they have focus groups to see if they can make it sound reasonable and logical (i.e. you got another box so paying $7-$17/month is reasonable). They also then are able to use that money to lower the package price, or perhaps give more incentives to new customers.

Dish's least profitable customer is probably someone with just one 211 with EHD. No extra fees, just the base package price. But, they elected to set the system up that way. I am sure they are still making money on that customer, just not as much as others.

You hit the nail on the head with your thoughts on Dish's new HD promotion. When retailers voiced their concerns to Dish about changing the promotion Dish responded by saying the HD Free for 24 months showed more value to the customer. The Free For Life promo didnt' get recognized by customers as much.

Laddyboy

Feb 21, 2014

Scherrman said:
You hit the nail on the head with your thoughts on Dish's new HD promotion. When retailers voiced their concerns to Dish about changing the promotion Dish responded by saying the HD Free for 24 months showed more value to the customer. The Free For Life promo didnt' get recognized by customers as much.

WTF. For any consumer capable of rational thought, "Free HD for Life" should have greater value then "Free HD for 24 Months. I call BS on Dish's explanation.

Scherrman

Feb 21, 2014

Laddyboy said:
WTF. For any consumer capable of rational thought, "Free HD for Life" should have greater value then "Free HD for 24 Months. I call BS on Dish's explanation.

You'd be surprised. It really doesn't bother me any more. When they first announced it I thought it was a terrible idea but the more I think about it the less it worries me. The competition is doing the same thing so there are no concerns there. Existing customers are not affected. New customers are still getting their HD for free. By the time their 2 year contract is up HD may be free for life again. Who knows, it may be that you can only get HD channels in 2 years. Lets say after the 2 years are up you have to pay for your HD, I'll bet you can just get the promo extended by calling up Dish and telling them you're going to cancel.

I think the marketing department likes to be able to tell people that they can save $240 with Dish with their Free HD promotion. With the Free HD for Life they can't place a value to it and can't advertise the savings to the customer. Trust me, the general public is not that bright when it comes to looking at marketing materials.

dare2be

Feb 21, 2014

Laddyboy said:
WTF. For any consumer capable of rational thought, "Free HD for Life" should have greater value then "Free HD for 24 Months. I call BS on Dish's explanation.

I don't. You are making the bad assumption that the average consumer is capable of rational thought.

Teehar

Feb 21, 2014

foghorn2 said:
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Dish Network, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

Are you related to daffy duck?

Bobby

Feb 21, 2014

DishSubLA

Feb 23, 2014

Thank you kindly for your respone. I got now.

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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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Yesterday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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