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AMIKO  Sling TV on A3

I decided to try the new Sling TV service. I mainly wanted to because I saw where Joe had posted about his experience over at FridgeFTA. So download the app they send in an email link, FTP'd it over to the A3 from my computer and fired it up and not bad. Looks pretty decent on my 60" plasma. I don't know what the bit rate it was sending at. I use HughesNet for internet so I can't let it run 24/7, but it is another option. I could tell by looking it was at a lower quality than other stuff. It was very watchable though, it looks like the contrast is set weird, but other than that ok. I am running 2.0.69 beta, BTW.
For those of you that have nice internet and want to add some more viewing options to your A3 Sling TV is a nice way to go for $20 for the basic channels.
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I had meant to post my review of Sling TV on Amiko A3 here last night. Unfortunately I got a bit busy. During the third quarter of the game the factory skyped wanting to help me with an A3 project. I guess they weren't watching the superbowl. :biggrin

Anyway here is my rather long winded testing and review. If you can read the entire novel it probably answers most any question about how the service works on A3.

Sling TV on Amiko A3 Review

Summary

Good: $20 price, good picture quality, no contracts, multiple devices and it works.

Bad: not flawless, cumbersome GUI.

Bottom line: Worth the $20 for premium live streaming content on A3 if you like the channel lineup.


Testing and comparison setups

-Amiko A3 Production Sample, 2.0.70-ALPHA ROM, wired/wireless.
-Amiko A3 (stock), NA ROM40D-2.0.61, wired.
-OnePlus One Phone, Cyanogenmod 11S
-Sling Android App 4.0.3.137
-Comcast Business Internet, 50/10.
-AT&T 4G.
-Comcast Xfinity TV running on A3.
-47" Philips LCD 1080p 120Hz
-32" Insignia LED cheapie 60Hz


I am going to skip the fine details of the Sling TV service. There are more than enough posts, articles and early reviews that get into this. My main focus is Sling TV as a cheap way for True FTA Amiko A3 owners to get some premium live content on their STB's.

Here is what is available as of 1 February 2015:

Best of TV ($20/month)
ESPN, ESPN2, TNT, TBS, Food Network, HGTV, Travel Channel, CNN, ABC Family, Disney Channel, Cartoon Network, and Adult Swim

News and Info Extra (+$5/month)
Cooking Channel, DIY Network, HLN, and Bloomberg News

Kids Extra (+$5/month)
Disney Junior, Disney XD, Boomerang, BabyTV, and ducktv

For testing here I went with the Best of TV (core package) and the News and Info Extra. Sling TV is currently still in the invite only stage and has a free 7 day trial which includes the add on package I chose. They apparently don't have the online management part of their site up yet. I had to call to sign up. Much to my shock (especially for a DISH Network company) the phone was answered right away by a live person, an American. No India call center that DISH is infamous for. The whole process took around 15 minutes. I did let the rep do some explaining so I could hear the whole sales pitch. There was no pressure to add anything but I chose the News and Info Extra for testing purposes. I received 2 emails and the rep stayed on the phone to ensure I received them. One was a welcome email with the links to download the apps. The other was from DISH World (DISH Satellite) with instructions to reset my password. Sling apparently does not have their own user management yet so they are using the DISH setup for user/password access.

Once Sling TV is fully rolled out the signup and management will be online and I'd assume the App will be in Google Play. I had to download it from a link and sideload on my devices. Very easy especially with FTP on all my Droids, but Play Store is easier. I'll get the Sling App into A3 F-droid Appstore next time I update it so A3 owners won't have to sideload.

After the quick install I launched the Sling App, entered my info from DISH World and was watching live ESPN in seconds. Nothing hard or complicated at all.

The first thing I noticed was the surprisingly good picture quality. On any TV bigger than 40" you really notice the quality (or lack of) in streams and media. Sling TV isn't just "watchable", it is good. I also have Comcast/Xfinity Digital on the A3 for comparison. The Xfinity SD channels typically run around 3Mbps and look decent. Sling TV looks better. Last night I compared Sling's TBS against Xfinity TBS HD. In that case there was no comparison, the Xfinity HD is very noticeably superior to Sling. It also isn't a fair comparison as Sling is not advertised as HD and it is a fraction of the price of Xfinity.

One thing I noticed on both A3's is sometimes the video motion seems "unnatural" for short periods. I don't know how else to describe it. There are no interlace lines, it doesn't stutter and audio sync is perfect. It doesn't seem to be just with high motion scenes or anything that falls under a typical video issue. Whatever it is, it isn't a dealbreaker. After watching for awhile you tune it out. Unlike many video issues on other platforms this is still totally watchable. I didn't really see this on the OnePlus One but I haven't been watching Sling nearly as much on it.

On to the App itself. It works, but I personally don't care for the layout and GUI for navigation and EPG. I'd prefer a traditional EPG list type layout. Sling TV has a popup horizontal scroll thingy with icons that you flip through side to side. It isn't the worst thing in the world on A3 but on the phone it blocks out nearly the whole picture. Again it is not a dealbreaker by any means, just something I don't care for. I'd assume the App will be improved and change over time so I'm sure the GUI interaction will be refined in the future.

Some of the channels have timeshifting and the ability to pause. You'll see a time bar at the bottom when you launch a channel. If it is something you can timeshift you just air mouse and drag where you want to be or click the pause or whatever. On launching a channel/program some will give you the option to start the show from the beginning or watch it live or "resume" from where you were. This seems to work decent going from watching on TV, moving to the phone for awhile, then back to the TV.

This does bring up a service limitation: you can put Sling TV on 100 devices but you can only watch one at a time. I tried this out by launching on my phone while the A3 was playing. In about a minute the A3 stopped and popped up a message about stopping because I was watching on another device. Most guys have 1 A3 so this is not a big deal, but it definitely won't work in a 4 STB house with kids and everyone trying to watch at once. You also aren't going to be sharing your account with friends and family like Netflix because of the one device at a time limitation.

Sling TV is using a very nice adaptive bitrate system. I don't see it on the A3's since they are in a fixed spot with virtually unlimited bandwidth but on the phone it will change rates when I wonder toward the fringe of my 5.8GHz WiFi coverage. I've seen it drop as low as 300Kbps (with noticeably crap picture) but it doesn't stop, stutter or go out of sync. Same with when the datarate goes back up. It has good picture quality as low as 800Kbps so I'd say the service is watchable even on crappy 1Mbps DSL. It works fine on my AT&T 4G although it takes noticeably longer to load, buffer and get to the higher quality datarates.

The Sling App runs different on phone (Android 4.42) than on the A3's which are 4.2.2. The A3's don't seem to have the option to get into settings to limit bandwidth or show the current bandwidth. By default the App is running unlimited/variable so that is ok. It will adjust to your available bandwidth and network connection. On the phone I haven't seen it report higher than 1.6Mbps. Given the speed of my ISP and network it could run 20x this. I am thinking the datarate reporting just doesn't work right in the app or they are using super efficient H264. In any case it looks and works good. The A3's seem to always be running good picture quality and don't shift datarates that I can see with the setup here so I guess it doesn't matter.

I did find a couple hiccups with the service itself. Not dealbreakers and I think isolated incidents. Last night cooking channel audio was out of sync for at least a couple hour. The problem wasn't my devices, it was the same on the A3's and the OnePlus One. Start/stop/relaunch did not fix. I think they had an issue related to that channel and/or the timeshift encoding for the shows that were playing. This morning all is fine with it. The other issue I saw a couple times was incurred "now" EPG. One was a different show entirely, the other listed the wrong episode of a show. This type of thing happens all the time with EPG data whether it is on DISH satellite, Comcast, TitanTV or wherever. Not unexpected and really has nothing to do with the service itself.

Overall I think this is a great service for True FTA guys with A3's. Decent live and legal content, cheap. Sure, it isn't perfect but no device or service is. If you and/or the wife are looking for the content/channels Sling offers, get the service. You aren't going to get live and legal premium channels any other way unless you want to do the cable/satellite subscription/contract route for big bucks. This only runs $20 to try out and you can ditch it at anytime if you don't like it or go back to it only in months when shows you want to watch are in season. I'm thinking many A3 guys will get and keep this.

The only reason I am not going to keep it myself long term is that I have a "sweetheart" deal with Comcast. I get a good digital package with HD for free and I get it on my A3's. If I didn't have that I'd keep Sling TV for sure. For now I'll continue to run and test Sling for the A3's to make sure all stays well with it.
beavs2112
Thanks for the review :)
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· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life. 🍺

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Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.
I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.
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Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi
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I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.


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N5XZS
Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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N5XZS
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2
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Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet :)
N5XZS
Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it. :rolleyes: :hatsoff2
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According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

primestar31
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.
zippyfrog
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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zippyfrog
However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
zippyfrog
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05
These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.
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Does cable charge box rent?
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Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

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fmj77
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.
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Bruce
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.
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$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.
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I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?
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$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.


1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...
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mwdxer1
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.
I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.
tanman
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?
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nelson61
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more
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MikeD-C05
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more
In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.
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lordodogg
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
Hello again, haven't posted here in a while.

This morning, around 6:30am, I woke up and found the front panel lights on my HR44 on (I leave it off all the time as it is co-located with one of my Geminis).

Immediately thinking that either a reboot or power outage occurred, I checked the software version, and found that it's still the same release that was sent out last month.

I then ruled out a power outage by checking the clocks on my appliances and seeing that they're still correct (they reset when there's an outage, somewhat similar to the "blinking 12" on VCRs).

I then confirmed a reboot by checking the Upcoming Recordings (fka To-Do List) and seeing that the number was much lower than before (it always resets after a reboot).

I am definitely guessing what happened (and it may very well be actually what happened) is that the "Reset Required" prompt may have come up sometime overnight, and it eventually timed out and rebooted automatically. IIRC that prompt comes up when new software "plugins" have to be installed.

Would like to hear your thoughts, especially since I probably haven't talked to some of you reading this in a while (was a former CE member, left almost a year ago).

Thank you all in advance!
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Tom Speer
My HR54 blue light is on this morning. I think you ae right about the plugins. They are tweaking things in the customer National release. What version does your HR44 Genie have now? I think you are probably on the same varsion as the CE group today.
lordodogg
I believe mine says 0x1D7F
Tom Speer
That is what I have.
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Happened again today & have new software, 0x1d88