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John Kotches
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I've been working on a move from 2TB to 3.0TB drive over the weekend and thought I'd discuss this topic. Now that I've "walked a mile in their shoes" I understand why drives are limited to 3TB. I don't understand why they chose to take this path to get to where they are, but that's another story for another day.
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First off, they use MBR/MSDOS partitioning, yeah, good ole fdisk and all its limitations. So that means there is a 2TB limitation for any partition. You can have a > 2TB drive so long as the partitions don't exceed 2TB.

So here's the partition table from the 2.0TB drive I started with:
Code:
Disk /dev/sdc: 2000.4 GB, 2000398934016 bytes
1 heads, 63 sectors/track, 62016336 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 63 * 512 = 32256 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

 Device   Boot  Start  End     Blocks  Id  System
/dev/sdc1         2       33290  1048576  83  Linux
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc2  33290  16677353  524288000  83  Linux
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc3  16677353  33321417  524288000  83  Linux
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc4  33321417  62016336  903889974+  85  Linux extended
Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc5  33321418  49965481  524288000  83  Linux
/dev/sdc6  49965482  62016336  379601911  83  Linux
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They've taken this drive and split into an odd configuration. There's a very small partition (sdc1, about 1GB) that is empty. I'm not sure what role it plays in things. Next, they build 2x 500GB partitions (sdc2+sdc3 @ 524280000) you'lll have to trust me that it comes out to 500GB in binary math.

This next part is where it gets funky... to avoid running out of primary partitions (sdc1+2+3 are primary partitions) they build partition 4 with the remainder of the disk as an extended partition. This is inherently limited to 2TB because we're using fdisk. That's reason 1 for the 3TB disk limit.

We still have unused space on the disk, because they keep carving up the disk within the extended partition. So, we have a 500GB partition (sdc5) and a ~375GB (sdc6) partition within the extended partition.

When you move over to a 3TB drive, you run into the next limitation, which is no more than 8 partitions on an MBR/MSDOS partitioned disk. They simply extend the partitioning scheme outward thusly:

Code:
Disk /dev/sda: 3000.6 GB, 3000592982016 bytes
1 heads, 63 sectors/track, 93024336 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 63 * 512 = 32256 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

  Device Boot  Start  End  Blocks  Id  System
/dev/sda1  33  33321  1048576  83  Linux
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2  33321  16677385  524288000  83  Linux
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda3  16677385  33321448  524288000  83  Linux
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda4  33321448  93024336  1880640984  85  Linux extended
Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda5  33321481  49965544  524288000  83  Linux
/dev/sda6  49965577  66609640  524288000  83  Linux
/dev/sda7  66609673  83253736  524288000  83  Linux
/dev/sda8  83253737  93024336  307773880+  83  Linux

So you can see that this disk got extended out to 8 partitions (sda 7+8), with 1,2,3,5,6 and 7at 500GB and the 8at around 300GB.

I understand what Dish has done, but at this point I haven't the faintest clue as to why this method was selected.

Please bear with me, I'll probably be editing this several times to get the spacing just so in the code sections.
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navychop
This just makes me want to get back to my Linux project to catalog my EHDs. I just don't think it would be hard, but I -REALLY- don't have the time. Just finishing up our tile laundry room floor.

THIS project, sad to say, isn't even in volume 1 of the To Do List anymore. It's a "me" item, not an "us" item.

BUT- I may just spring for a 3 TB hardware RAID and be done with it.
charlesrshell
This just makes me want to get back to my Linux project to catalog my EHDs. I just don't think it would be hard, but I -REALLY- don't have the time. Just finishing up our tile laundry room floor.

THIS project, sad to say, isn't even in volume 1 of the To Do List anymore. It's a "me" item, not an "us" item.

BUT- I may just spring for a 3 TB hardware RAID and be done with it.
Priority issues!! :(
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TheKrell
I always thought that the 2GB partition included the decryption keys for the account. I'll bet it isn't really zero-filled. <-- my wag
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John Kotches
I haven't gone hunting for keys... Yet. I'm just moving data around.

The 2TB partition isn't directly accessed. It is the extended partition that contains the additional space beyond the first TB. The space is accessed through logical partitions 5-8. As many as are needed to use all the drive.

I suspect that the keys might be in the 1GB partition (partition 1) but I have not investigated it.



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John Kotches
Thinking out loud here...

The keys don't need to be on the external at all. The encryption could be upstream of the write. The drive would just be a bucket of bits.

Most efficient would be a cryptochip/ASIC or an FPU to do encryption chores. The datastreams aren't particularly intensive (low data rate) so even multiple streams would be possible easily.

This also means the keys to the store remain inside the Hopper / HWS. It would be more secure this way.

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Tron2012
Good luck! I'll give Dish credit and suspect that in order to allow EHD transfers/storage of electronic assets they do not own outright (recordings) that they had to fully demonstrate to the movie and TV moguls that their encryption standards and protocols were as protected from prying eyes as much as possible. So that the movement of recordings was secure and not easily (if at all) hacked. To John's point above.

Still say the 1GB is for swapping and nothing of interest or secretive. Why it is most likely empty and not a big partition.
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
Foxbat
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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navychop
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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navychop
Will do!
cpdretired
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Howard Simmons
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.