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Hack5190
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Need Dish Alignment Advice

DISH DETAILS: After market 84 cm (33") dish with 3 LNB's for watching BELL (ExpressVu). The LNB for 91° is in the center, the 82° LNB is on the left (when viewing the dish from the satellite's perspective).

INSTALLATION: The same elevation works for both 91° and 82°. The 91° bird can be received with a skew between 40° to 92°. The 82° bird can be received with a skew between 62° to 72°. Signal strength ranges between mid 50's to mid 70's. Using an iPad and multiple augmented reality aiming apps there are no obstructions.

PROBLEM: Need to change the Azimut slightly to switch between 91° and 82°. Although the adjustment is slight, it's large enough that I'm unable to receive both 91° and 82° at the same time.

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QUESTION: What am I doing wrong?
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wvman
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When you have a dish with multiple LNB's, the offset angles is built into the mount holding the secondary LNB's. If the mounting hardware is off just a bit, there may be no way to tune it properly. Dish had a problem like that when they first came out with multiple LNB mounts. Since there's a 10 degree spread between the two satellites, which will also require accurate adjustments with the skew and elevation of the sister LNB's, I'd recommend a two dish installation for the best reception.

That way both LNB's are looking directly at the satellite. Whenever possible, a single dish application always nets better signal levels unless you have a monster dish designed for stationary mounting of the dish using multiple LNB's. At best, Dish's multi-LNB dishes nets a marginal signal level that falls within their specifications. As I found out, there's always more signal to be gained by using a single dish on each of the two or three satellites. Remember, companies like Dish are out for more bang for their buck, which doesn't necessarily mean maximum efficiency.

Just something you may want to consider since dishes of the size you need are relatively inexpensive. I've found that the parabolic shape of the economy dishes used by the satellite providers are marginal as well. Good parabolic dishes cost more, and that's something everyone wants to avoid, but shouldn't. It's the heart of the system. There are websites available that will tell you the skew angle, elevation of the dish and the azimuth from your location to these satellites. All you need is the GPS data from your location and the satellite name or location and it will calculate it for you. Happy hunting.
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wvman said:
When you have a dish with multiple LNB's, the offset angles is built into the mount holding the secondary LNB's. If the mounting hardware is off just a bit, there may be no way to tune it properly. Dish had a problem like that when they first came out with multiple LNB mounts. Since there's a 10 degree spread between the two satellites, which will also require accurate adjustments with the skew and elevation of the sister LNB's, I'd recommend a two dish installation for the best reception.

That way both LNB's are looking directly at the satellite. Whenever possible, a single dish application always nets better signal levels unless you have a monster dish designed for stationary mounting of the dish using multiple LNB's. At best, Dish's multi-LNB dishes nets a marginal signal level that falls within their specifications. As I found out, there's always more signal to be gained by using a single dish on each of the two or three satellites. Remember, companies like Dish are out for more bang for their buck, which doesn't necessarily mean maximum efficiency.

Just something you may want to consider since dishes of the size you need are relatively inexpensive. I've found that the parabolic shape of the economy dishes used by the satellite providers are marginal as well. Good parabolic dishes cost more, and that's something everyone wants to avoid, but shouldn't. It's the heart of the system. There are websites available that will tell you the skew angle, elevation of the dish and the azimuth from your location to these satellites. All you need is the GPS data from your location and the satellite name or location and it will calculate it for you. Happy hunting.
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My thoughts were along the same lines as this. Today I took down a old "Dish" brand dual LNB dish. This weekend I'm going to try replacing the triple LNB holder with the dual. Fingers crossed it will work, if not then I'll have to consider two dishes.

Thanks for the information!
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harshness
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Modern pay satellite dishes are multi-focal to some extent so they often don't work optimally when used with an unintended LNB assembly as the feed horns aren't located where the dish is shooting.
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wvman
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Hack5190 said:
My thoughts were along the same lines as this. Today I took down a old "Dish" brand dual LNB dish. This weekend I'm going to try replacing the triple LNB holder with the dual. Fingers crossed it will work, if not then I'll have to consider two dishes.

Thanks for the information!
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It would be interesting to know how many Dish Network dishes ended up in the scrap heap or still hanging on the side of homes across the country. Dish changes their dishes more often than most people change underwear. I started selling Dish when they first came onto the scene, and their big hook was "the 18 inch dish." Since then, they kept getting bigger and more sophisticated. Some of their dishes were duds from the start, especially their mounting hardware for the multiple LNB's.

I remember when Dish went under the name Echostar and sold C-Band equipment. Their receivers ran extremely hot due to the compact power supply situated in the back left corner of the cabinet. One of my old fishing buddies would have lost his home had he not been there when the power supply caught fire. It nearly caught the drapes on fire while they were watching it, and the drapes were three inches or so behind the receiver. I had never seen a power supply get hot enough to burn the paint off the cabinet. Anyway, hope you find a solution to your problem.
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harshness said:
Modern pay satellite dishes are multi-focal to some extent so they often don't work optimally when used with an unintended LNB assembly as the feed horns aren't located where the dish is shooting.
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Prime focus is always better.
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catamount
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If you use the Dish/Bell dual lnb holder (Y shape), it will work fine. I've used it on 30 inch elliptical channelmasters . Same or a bit better quality. The focal length on the channelmasters needed to be shortened by about 2.5 to 2.75 inches. I have done it on a non-skewable dish, but then you would have to put the mount at an angle to approximate the required skew for your location.

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wvman said:
Prime focus is always better.
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Your grand statement is mostly false outside of the degenerate case where you're using a single horn LNB assembly.

It isn't fair to compare a 1m round dish with an 19x24 multi-focal but any time your intention is to use the dish in some manner that it wasn't designed for, there will be big compromises.
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Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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look again mine says free for 1 month
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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slow_poke_pete said:
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
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No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


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The Apple HomeView

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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BIdMzUBHvjw?feature=share
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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