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Last reply Nov 22, 2017 · posted in General Home Theater Equipment

Home theater & 4K/UHD frustrations!

At this stage of the 4K/UHD game we have a slew of excellent TVs to choose from. In the US we only have one actual 4K/UHD BluRay player. Getting both of those together gets great video, but it takes adding a good speaker setup and AV Receiver to take advantage of the advanced audio available some streams and all 4K BluRay discs.

And until the 2015 models, most AVRs cannot do that. They aren't HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 equipped. And that's where the frustration can begin. You can either get a new AVR that does support 4K properly or give up the advanced audio codecs. Also many of the current AVRs that support 4K properly only do so on some of the HDMI ports, typically the first 3 ports.

And on 4K TVs some don't support 4K inputs on all of their ports, though that is becoming less of a problem.

For those with older AVRs that don't support 4K there is a workaround that will give you 4K video and DD sound. Originally when I got my 4K TV I connected my Hopper 3 and FireTV box to the TVs HDMI inputs and used optical audio to send DD back to the AVR. It works though it makes a bit more of a cable mess and you really need a universal remote unless you just like juggling remotes. As I said, it works, BUT DD wasn't cutting it for me. Netflix & Amazon use DD+ on many streams, possibly other services do too, and I want that.

Because the HDCP standard requires that everything in the chain be compatible, there aren't any HDMI splitters or switches that support it, so they won't work for 4K. With the sole 4K BluRay player you can workaround a bit because it has one HDMI output for the video/audio that is HDCP compliant and a 2nd one that does only audio, so using it with an older AVR can provide the advanced audio and the TV can give you the 4K experience.

Other than that, all the rest of the 'boxes' only have the single HDMI output so the choice is use the TV/optical trick and lose advanced audio codecs OR get a new AVR. I opted for the new AVR route.

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BearcatScott

Nov 20, 2017

I have a Sony XBR75x940E 4K tv (HDR capable), a Sony UBPX800 UHD Bluray player, and a Denon AVRx1400H receiver. My issue is I bought my first UHD Bluray disk (Fifth Element) and when I play the movie, I am getting a lot of noise in scenes with blue sky and other light colors (looks like snow, static like in the old times when you had electrical interference with the tv picture). The picture looks great except the blue sky has a bunch of snow/static in it. I have all new 4K capable cables connecting everything. I am connecting the Bluray to the Bluray input on the Denon and from the Denon i am connecting to HDMI 3 port on the tv which supports HDR. I turned on Enhanced on both the receiver and tv to support HDR. I am not getting this problem from my Apple TV 4K going through the Denon. I haven't tried going directly from the Bluray to the TV yet, but that is my next test. Anyone have any ideas what else I might try?

BearcatScott

Nov 20, 2017

Tried swapping cables. No luck. Tried going straight to tv. No luck. So ordered cables from Monoprice. Will have to wait until Monday to see if they work better.

jayn_j

Nov 21, 2017

BearcatScott said:
Tried swapping cables. No luck. Tried going straight to tv. No luck. So ordered cables from Monoprice. Will have to wait until Monday to see if they work better.

At this point, you need to start using logic to eliminate the problem. I expect the new cable won't fix it, so the problem will trace to the player, receiver or TV. You already took the receiver out of the equation by connecting the player directly to the TV. I think the TV is OK, because you say the Apple TV is working well in 4K using the same signal path.

You need to look at the Sony UHD player carefully. Check the menu settings for video resolution. Try forcing 4k instead of the auto default.

king3pj

Nov 21, 2017

BearcatScott said:
I have a Sony XBR75x940E 4K tv (HDR capable), a Sony UBPX800 UHD Bluray player, and a Denon AVRx1400H receiver. My issue is I bought my first UHD Bluray disk (Fifth Element) and when I play the movie, I am getting a lot of noise in scenes with blue sky and other light colors (looks like snow, static like in the old times when you had electrical interference with the tv picture). The picture looks great except the blue sky has a bunch of snow/static in it. I have all new 4K capable cables connecting everything. I am connecting the Bluray to the Bluray input on the Denon and from the Denon i am connecting to HDMI 3 port on the tv which supports HDR. I turned on Enhanced on both the receiver and tv to support HDR. I am not getting this problem from my Apple TV 4K going through the Denon. I haven't tried going directly from the Bluray to the TV yet, but that is my next test. Anyone have any ideas what else I might try?

Have you tried other content yet? It might just be that particular movie. What you are describing reminds me of the film grain that is in some TV and movies. I watched Marvel's The Punisher in 4K HDR on Netflix this weekend and it was very noticeable against things you mentioned like blue sky. The Walking Dead does this too.

I would try a different UHD blu-ray before you spend too much more time trying to diagnose all of your hardware. It might just be the way The Fifth Element was filmed. Read some reviews on blu-ray.com first and pick something that doesn't have film grain.

Edit: I just read their Fifth Element UHD review here and they mention the film grain in that movie. My guess is that this is what you are seeing. I'm not a fan of heavy film grain either by the way. I would much rather have a cleaner image even if that means I'm not a purist. At least UHD Blu-ray and Netflix have a high enough bitrate to handle the film grain. The film grain sometimes makes the compression get a little wonky during The Walking Dead on Dish.

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harshness

Nov 21, 2017

king3pj said:
Edit: I just read their Fifth Element UHD review here and they mention the film grain in that movie.

I think it's safe to say that most Bruce Willis movies have noticeable film grain.

gadgtfreek

Nov 21, 2017

jayn_j said:
At this point, you need to start using logic to eliminate the problem. I expect the new cable won't fix it, so the problem will trace to the player, receiver or TV. You already took the receiver out of the equation by connecting the player directly to the TV. I think the TV is OK, because you say the Apple TV is working well in 4K using the same signal path.

You need to look at the Sony UHD player carefully. Check the menu settings for video resolution. Try forcing 4k instead of the auto default.

He has the same tv and player as me, the X800 runs to the 940E perfectly with everything put on Auto. The Sony outputs UHD in 12bit, which could cause issue with the HDMI cables.

harshness

Nov 21, 2017

gadgtfreek said:
He has the same tv and player as me, the X800 runs to the 940E perfectly with everything put on Auto.

Of course this is only valid if the firmware on all of the involved components are of the same revision. Many problems are "worked around" by patches to firmware rather than actually fixing the root cause.

HDMI cabling is a disaster of epic proportions. I really wish the industry would switch to a connection scheme that does't have so many modes for failure (or at least had some method by which to pinpoint where the failure might be).

jayn_j

Nov 21, 2017

gadgtfreek said:
He has the same tv and player as me, the X800 runs to the 940E perfectly with everything put on Auto. The Sony outputs UHD in 12bit, which could cause issue with the HDMI cables.

I spced out on the disc choice, and that's the leading candidate right now. However, just because its the same model doesn't rule out his being a lemon.

BearcatScott

Nov 22, 2017

I got the Monoprice cables today. Hooked up everything and got same results. Firmware is up to date on all devices. I'm thinking it is the the Fifth Element UHD movie. I will buy a newer movie and try that out. Watching Longmire on Netflix through my AppleTV 4K and looks great including the sky in daylight scenes.

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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Yesterday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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Almighty1 said:
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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