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The new TV season starting with all of the new shows headed to cable and ota networks alike. Has anybody else gotten tired of worrying about the 'risk' involved in putting your time and subscription money into an expensive monthly package only to still have to worry about blackouts? I have and my response was to resort to cord shaving. That is I have downgraded to the cheapest package 'The Welcome Pack' until some kind of regulation is made or at least some type of A La Carte regime is set up that is 'Blackout Proof.' I can switch providers but the fear and worry that my $120/mo investment will be plagued by a continous threat of random blackouts does not make such an investment worthy anymore. That is after two months of paying for high end subscription service ($240) a blackout hits taking out my favorite show that I invested the money in. I feel it better to just wait the extra year or two for the shows to show up on a streaming provider. The content will be old at that point, but at least I can feel comfortable in making a large investment in that there is less a chance that there will be a blackout.

It would be nice if there was some kind of warning system in place to let us know what channels are likely to get blacked out several months in advance. The provider knows the experation dates of the contracts. Yet, these are not readily made available to the subscriber. These blackouts come as a surprise. We get blind sided by them. It is the fear of the surprise that makes me afraid to put money down like I used to.

Why does the FCC and Congress insist on allowing this? Can we file somekind of antitrust suit against Congress or the FCC? It would be great if such a thing were possible. They are very much responsible for this as is both the providers and the broadcasters. However. They allow this! It is being done because the FCC and Congress turn a blind eye and alter the laws to suit the pleasures of the special intrests of both parties. They are invited to lavish parties. They all Golf togeather yet publicly they put on a show and PRETEND to be enemies. In any other aspect of law this would be considered corruption. The system is being used against us. I pay my electric bill, I expect my lights to stay on and to live a blackout free lifestyle. Why cant I do this with cable or Dish Network?
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In fairness, Congress had no idea how this would eventually develop and turn into a huge consumer rip-off. It passed with bipartisan support over George HW Bush's veto. I doubt it was explained to Congress how the big networks would blackmail the cable/sat companies with blackouts when they were supposed to supply their broadcasts for free in their local areas.

I doubt if the politicians will change this as the big networks are too powerful and they contribute too much money to campaign funds and the "Charitable" foundations that they might set up.
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I doubt if the politicians will change this as the big networks are too powerful and they contribute too much money to campaign funds and the "Charitable" foundations that they might set up.
Which is why the real problem was the 1996 Telecom Act that de-regulated media ownership, which also had bi-partisan support and would have survived a veto. Broadcast network owners not only own way too many local stations but also cable networks as well and some are even MVPDs, blurring the lines and creating too powerful monstrosities.
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Which is why the real problem was the 1996 Telecom Act that de-regulated media ownership, which also had bi-partisan support and would have survived a veto. Broadcast network owners not only own way too many local stations but also cable networks as well and some are even MVPDs, blurring the lines and creating too powerful monstrosities.

Wouldn't really matter much if the stations weren't able to charge for re-transmission.

Remember, cable had been re-transmitting for a long time before they had to pay the stations.
MVPDs should be able to pick up the signal off the air and re-transmit it (with only bandwidth/compression, ie no changes to the commercials) within the DMA freely.
dare2be
Wouldn't really matter much if the stations weren't able to charge for re-transmission.
I know this thread is in response to an existing local channel dispute, but the problem is much larger than that. Especially when the local channel group in question also owns at least 1 other cable channel (and is part of the contention in the dispute). My post applies to the entire media ownership/delivery landscape.
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I know this thread is in response to an existing local channel dispute, but the problem is much larger than that. Especially when the local channel group in question also owns at least 1 other cable channel (and is part of the contention in the dispute). My post applies to the entire media ownership/delivery landscape.

If not for the retransmission agreements being needed, they would have little leverage. Tribune couldn't leverage locals to get WGNA carried at a higher fee.

No, it wouldn't be a panacea. There would still be problems with tiering and other methods of tying channels together. But those issues have generally been minor.
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But those issues have generally been minor.
I disagree. 250+ cable channels, 90% of which owned by 6 corporations. Overall prices up 4 times more than inflation. Local channel retrans is part of the whole.
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I disagree. 250+ cable channels, 90% of which owned by 6 corporations. Overall prices up 4 times more than inflation. Local channel retrans is part of the whole.


I could be wrong. I just don't recall a whole lot of issues with channels other than locals. There have been a few, but nothing like the fights involving locals.
Would the others be nastier w/o the locals for leverage? I guess it's possible. I would certainly be willing to find out.

Case in point, Tribune would have very little leverage for WGNA w/o tying it to locals. It'd be priced based on the value of the content only, not inflated because of the need for a retran agreement on the locals.

Would I like to see more diversity of ownership? Sure. But forcing it via government power is not the answer.

I'd like to see a free market. Truly free, not the pseudo "free" mess we've had for the last 100 years (less and less free every month as new regulations are enacted). The regulations today are a barrier to entry for new competition. They protect the established/status quo. And the latest turn is to impose regulations on new products over the last 9 yrs but not products that existed prior to then.

I don't mid if company X buys channel Y, whether they own 2 others or 20 others.
What I mind is the regulatory burden that prevents channels D, E, F, and G for ever getting off the ground.

Broadcast stations were a special case due to the use of the public airwave, but even that hasn't kept up with modern technical changes. The rules are based on antiquated technology instead of whats possible today. The rules need to be total rewritten, ignoring what was done how in the past, and instead what makes sense today.
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As I learned in college back in the 80s in my macro/micro economics class, the U.S. is not a true free market democracy or a true republic. WE are a mixed society with both socialist and capitalist ways . The younger people have the capitalism and the older people over 65 have the socialist ways: social security and government health care with medicare/medicaid. We will never be a true free market society due to these two competing philosophies that are ingrained in our society for close to a 80 years now. Ignoring out past to use what makes "sense" today isn't ever going to happen.
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Would I like to see more diversity of ownership? Sure. But forcing it via government power is not the answer.

I'd like to see a free market. Truly free, not the pseudo "free" mess we've had for the last 100 years (less and less free every month as new regulations are enacted).
Without getting into Pit territory, it was de-regulation in 1996 that created this "free" market for a handful of media giants to buy up all the competition and create the bundled extortion oligopoly we have today. Local channel owners own cable channels, MVPDs own their own channels and hold them hostage over other MVPDs (Comcast Sportsnet).
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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The Long Run - The Eagles
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Long Train Runnin' - The Doobie Brothers
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Midnight Train to Georgia - Gladys Knight & The Pips
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After Midnight - Eric Clapton
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
I'm pretty sure the most you can get is seven.

What America can't afford is the payments on $80,000+ pickups and SUVs and $40,000+ crossovers.
Neutron
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
dishstaller
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This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
Great ending, but it ran in circles most of the season.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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