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Dish Could Lose 12 Network Affiliates Tonight

Washington, D.C. (January 16, 2017) - Dish tonight could lose 12 network affiliates in eight markets due to a fee fight with their owner, Bonten Media.

The stations have posted a notice at their web sites that the signals could be removed this evening if the two companies do not reach a new carriage pact.

"While both Dish and our stations are working earnestly to resolve this matter, there is the potential this could be a long interruption of service," the notice states.

The disagreement is over how much Dish should pay to carry the 12 local channels.

http://tvpredictions.com/dish011617.htm
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ChadT41
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Broadcasting_&_Communications_Ass'n_v._FCC

And when I say government listed prices, what I mean is the government decides a value for "locals" and the locals will only ask for that. CSPAN gets $0.07 per subscriber. The same principle should apply here. As far as different locals showing the same content, not the governments business. That is purely a business decision. If it is the governments business to protect the locals because of content, then that furthers the point that channels do not get to choose what they want price-wise.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Broadcasting_&_Communications_Ass'n_v._FCC

And when I say government listed prices, what I mean is the government decides a value for "locals" and the locals will only ask for that. CSPAN gets $0.07 per subscriber. The same principle should apply here. As far as different locals showing the same content, not the governments business. That is purely a business decision. If it is the governments business to protect the locals because of content, then that furthers the point that channels do not get to choose what they want price-wise.
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Maybe it's because I'm sleepy, but I don't see anything in the link you provided that says DBS operators need to "negotiate in good faith for all channels in a market" if they want to carry one of them. It does say if DBS carries one station in a market, they need to carry all "requesting local broadcast stations". Isn't that "must carry"? So if the DBS operator wants to carry NBC and negotiates retrans fees for them, the CBS can say "you must carry us". While the DBS does have to, I thought when a station elected to claim "must carry", they can't then charge retrans fees. Which is what I said in my earlier post.

I also find it interesting that you say the business decisions between a local broadcaster and a program provider aren't the governments business, but you want the government to step in between the business decision between the local broadcaster and the MVPD.

Personally, I can get behind the theory of government setting retrans rates. On the other hand, what other businesses do government get to set the prices for?
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Maybe it's because I'm sleepy, but I don't see anything in the link you provided that says DBS operators need to "negotiate in good faith for all channels in a market" if they want to carry one of them. It does say if DBS carries one station in a market, they need to carry all "requesting local broadcast stations". Isn't that "must carry"? So if the DBS operator wants to carry NBC and negotiates retrans fees for them, the CBS can say "you must carry us". While the DBS does have to, I thought when a station elected to claim "must carry", they can't then charge retrans fees. Which is what I said in my earlier post.

I also find it interesting that you say the business decisions between a local broadcaster and a program provider aren't the governments business, but you want the government to step in between the business decision between the local broadcaster and the MVPD.

Personally, I can get behind the theory of government setting retrans rates. On the other hand, what other businesses do government get to set the prices for?
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I'm thinking what you and Chad are saying are both correct, but it's the reality that is different.
DISH can decide not to carry any locals in a Market if they so choose.
DISH can not negotiate with just one of the big four, it's all or none. There is an important element not mentioned. If DISH negotiates with the one or two networks they want, they must negotiate in good faith with them all. That little phrase in practice eliminates the need for the other networks to have to go to must carry for no cost DISH can't simply say we are not carrying your network (if they have negotiated with even one) and then force the others to declare must carry.

Because of that protection given the big four, a protection not given to other networks providers are instantly at a disadvantage. (DISH can negotiate with Disney and not Viacom if they choose) So we get the cat and mouse game of who loses the most besides the subscriber when a big four network is not carried over a dispute the provider or the network.
As I think about it, maybe the FCC should invoke a rule (If they are going to be inserting their rules anyway) that the network can not force the provider to take the network off over a dispute, and the provider must continue to carry it at the current cost. At some determined point the FCC arbitrates. They give the network the option to declare must carry for a year, or they and the provider must accept the arbitrated one year contract cost. Because of the carry one carry all rule protection given, I would not allow one network to withhold their programming. It has to work both ways.
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Tampa8 said:
DISH can decide not to carry any locals in a Market if they so choose.
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While Dish can do that, it was part of the regulation that gave Dish back their distant network license that if they do not carry locals in every market, they lose the ability to offer distant networks. So, if Dish removes the entire local package in one market, they would have to remove the fill-in distant networks in all of the other short markets. At that point, with an incomplete local package in those markets, Dish would likely lose so many subscribers that they would also end up deciding to completely drop locals in those markets, putting things back the way they were during the distant network injunction. On the other hand, prior to the distant network settlement, Congress was already considering imposing a requirement on satellite providers to serve every local market, since there were markets that were not served by either provider at the time. This is likely why Dish held off on adding locals in those markets until they got the requirement to serve every local market included in the distant network settlement. Dish wanted to serve every local market, but they also wanted to get something out of the deal (the ability to offer distant networks) instead of having a requirement to offer incomplete local packages in short markets imposed on them while they were still subject to the distant network injunction.
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While Dish can do that, it was part of the regulation that gave Dish back their distant network license that if they do not carry locals in every market, they lose the ability to offer distant networks. So, if Dish removes the entire local package in one market, they would have to remove the fill-in distant networks in all of the other short markets. At that point, with an incomplete local package in those markets, Dish would likely lose so many subscribers that they would also end up deciding to completely drop locals in those markets, putting things back the way they were during the distant network injunction. On the other hand, prior to the distant network settlement, Congress was already considering imposing a requirement on satellite providers to serve every local market, since there were markets that were not served by either provider at the time. This is likely why Dish held off on adding locals in those markets until they got the requirement to serve every local market included in the distant network settlement. Dish wanted to serve every local market, but they also wanted to get something out of the deal (the ability to offer distant networks) instead of having a requirement to offer incomplete local packages in short markets imposed on them while they were still subject to the distant network injunction.
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I got news for you, if DISH decided not to carry locals in some markets, things have gone to a point that they would have no care about losing the few fill ins at that point.
It also isn't at all clear that DISH is mandated to pay for locals in every market, in fact it is highly unlikely they can be made to. There was an excellent analysis at the time that explained DISH or Direct could if they decided to say they would carry a market but only under must carry. While it would be brought into question if they did this for many markets, they would have solid ground to say the cost is just too high for certain ones. That might change if the FCC had what I suggested, a mandated arbitration when the locals and the provider can not come to an agreement.
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The government, to some extent, considers local network providers as a service to their community. They require records, for example, of certain amounts of public service broadcasting. Also, in times of, for example, severe weather, the locals are considered to be of great service to the community.

The simple answer is that Congress should step up and say, here's the arbitration process, everyone has to follow it, and local networks cannot be removed from the air during this process. But - politics/lobbyists/etc.
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I gave the example of our power and water(including irrigation) here in Phoenix of Salt River Project.
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Tampa8 said:
I got news for you, if DISH decided not to carry locals in some markets, things have gone to a point that they would have no care about losing the few fill ins at that point.
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That was kind of my point. With Dish now feeling the need to break out a separate charge for locals, there may indeed be many markets that are costing Dish so much money that there would be a financial incentive to completely drop locals in those markets, just like they did with the RSNs in New York. However, Dish has to be careful about dropping entire local markets because if Dish issues a press release saying that they are going to completely drop several markets, especially if any of those markets are not served by Directv, then Congress may react by imposing a must-carry requirement (as opposed to "carry one, carry all") for both providers to serve every market.

Some markets may be so small that with Dish and Directv "splitting the vote" (so to speak) neither provider can attract enough subscribers to make offering locals there financially viable. However, if Dish became the exclusive satellite provider of locals in some markets, while Directv exclusively served other markets with satellite locals, perhaps each respective provider could attract enough subscribers to make it worth offering locals there. Of course, they would continue to compete against each other in markets that are large enough that they can still make money, even with competition. As long as every market is served with locals by at least one satellite provider, Congress would be less likely to step in and require carriage.
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I don't think Dish nor DTV would be against must carry for all stations. That would end the retransmission fees.
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I don't think Dish nor DTV would be against must carry for all stations. That would end the retransmission fees.
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I didn't mean must-carry for all stations. I meant must-carry for all markets. In other words, Dish and Directv can now choose not to offer locals in a market at all. If must-carry was imposed on all markets, they would be required to continue carrying (or start carrying) the PBS stations and any other channels that request must-carry status, whether Dish or Directv even want to carry locals in that market or not. They would still need to negotiate retransmission consent with the remaining stations if they want to offer a complete local package. Without a complete local package, the locals would not be financially viable for either provider. Some markets may be so small that it is not financially viable to offer locals there even with a complete local package.
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The simple answer is that Congress should step up and say, here's the arbitration process, everyone has to follow it, and local networks cannot be removed from the air during this process. But - politics/lobbyists/etc.
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Agreed. And as is being pointed out all the more reason to assure they can't be pulled during a dispute.
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I have no problems with preventing locals from being pulled by disputes, as long as an MVPD can't take advantage of it. Pulling the signal is the only "weight" the locals have. Let's make this simple... locals and MVPDs get to try to work out a deal on their own. If, by the end of the contract, there is no deal (or extension) in place, arbitration is automatically started. Once the arbitration is complete the MVPD pays the new rate post dated to the end of the previous contract. Seems fair to me.

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I gave the example of our power and water(including irrigation) here in Phoenix of Salt River Project.
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Personally, I wouldn't classify television with electrical service, but your point stands.
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TVs are really getting big these days

Was raining yesterday so I went to Sams up in Dothan to stock up on some things. Haven't been there in quite a while. I was amazed at how large most of the TVs were. When I walked in they had a 100 in Vizio (I think it was Vizio) that was marked down to something like $1,200. The first rows of TVs were all in the 80 in + sizes. The next couple of rows had the "smaller" models....those 75 and under. I was amazed at how small the 75s looked when lined up with the larger screens.
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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

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55" is plenty big.
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55" is plenty big.
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And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
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And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
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I remember buying my 1st Sony .... a whopping Big 27" CRT XBR .... $1200. :)
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I bought my 50" Mitsubishi rear projection in 1981!
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Percy Jackson - Disney+


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Still enjoying the show.
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Ive got to find time to get back to it. Watched the first episode and been too busy to squeeze it into out watch schedule.
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The latest trailer for Season 3 starting November 20th just came out:
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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Such a scam. Healthcare.gov shows me cheaper individual plans available for 2027 from ambetter that ambetter doesn't show on their website. Looked it up. I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years and got nothing out of it except a few doctors visits and labs. 😡
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osu1991 said:
I've spent $68,000 in premiums the last 5 years
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That's why I cancelled ours and just started saving the money. We're about to do the same thing with our home insurance.....not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage. We're paying over $5k right now and that is AFTER I dumbed things down...and it keeps going up. Got a couple trees I want to have taken down first before I do that however. After we do that, it will knock about $3k off our annual premium.
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My wife and I use the same Medicare Advantage plan from United Healthcare. (Yes I have heard the horror stories about Medicare Advantage plans but we have used it for the last 5 years). We are both pretty healthy so it works for us. It costs $0.00 per month for both of us and it pays part of our Medicare part B premium. Next year it will be paying $170 per month of the $220 monthly part B premium for both of us. We also each get $90 per quarter to use on OTC products. $0.00 copay for Dr. visits and $55 copay for specialists. Includes dental and hearing coverage. Never have had an issue with it although I don't really use mine other than for the dental, Part B payments and the OTC benefit as I am a veteran and use the VA for all of my medical needs. I just had a kidney that had a cancer mass removed last month and they allowed me to use a non VA surgeon at a non VA hospital through the VA Community Care program. For all of the doctors visits, exams, tests, surgery, hospital stay, meds etc…was around $60,000 and the the VA paid for it entirely. I did have to pay $16 for the Oxycodone pain pills when I left the hospital that I got from my local CVS instead of waiting for a week for the VA to ship them to me from the VA pharmacy.
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$0.00 copay for Dr. visits
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And THAT is one of the big issues causing a lot of the problems. If the minimum copay for Dr. visits was at least $100 then a LOT of folks would opt out of those visits. If it cost the individual nothing then why should they care. All of my older family members are constantly going to doctor visits.....to them it is an adventure.....an outing that allows them a reason to go out to eat at a restaurant. IF they had to pay one cent out of their own pockets a lot of that crap would stop asap.

Sorry...rant off.
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And THAT is one of the big issues causing a lot of the problems. If the minimum copay for Dr. visits was at least $100 then a LOT of folks would opt out of those visits. If it cost the individual nothing then why should they care. All of my older family members are constantly going to doctor visits.....to them it is an adventure.....an outing that allows them a reason to go out to eat at a restaurant. IF they had to pay one cent out of their own pockets a lot of that crap would stop asap.

Sorry...rant off.
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You're not wrong that some people treat free visits like a social outing. But it has to be a balance. Put a $100 barrier on a doctor visit and people don't just skip the pointless ones, they skip the important ones too. Then the stuff that would've been a cheap catch at a checkup shows up later in the ER, sicker and way more expensive. The shift we need is from sick care to actual healthcare.
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meStevo said:
But it has to be a balance.
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Unfortunately, humans tend to suck at finding a balance in just about anything.

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They go to the Doctor for everything.
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I see a LOT of that. And yes...they DO go to the doctor for EVERYTHING.

I was sick a couple months ago, either light flu or cold. First thing my Mom asked me when I told her was "You need to go to the doctor". I said WHY......I know what to do....it'll last a few days and I'll be fine.

The biggest problem with paying nothing out of pocket is that people quickly don't want to pay a penny for anything. Had an older customer in the store the other day. He mentioned that he had just come from CVS and I guess he wanted to rant. He said he went to pick up his prescription and "they changed my plan and wanted $4, they used to be free...I told them to stick them somewhere and walked out". BTW, he was in the store buying a new remote. So he HAD money for a remote but not $4 for this medicine that somebody somewhere thought he needed.
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Unfortunately, humans tend to suck at finding a balance in just about anything.


I see a LOT of that. And yes...they DO go to the doctor for EVERYTHING.

I was sick a couple months ago, either light flu or cold. First thing my Mom asked me when I told her was "You need to go to the doctor". I said WHY......I know what to do....it'll last a few days and I'll be fine.

The biggest problem with paying nothing out of pocket is that people quickly don't want to pay a penny for anything. Had an older customer in the store the other day. He mentioned that he had just come from CVS and I guess he wanted to rant. He said he went to pick up his prescription and "they changed my plan and wanted $4, they used to be free...I told them to stick them somewhere and walked out". BTW, he was in the store buying a new remote. So he HAD money for a remote but not $4 for this medicine that somebody somewhere thought he needed.
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My prescription before Medicare took over was $30 for 90 days, Medicare took over, now it was $375 last January and $150ish after that 90 days worth.
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dishstaller said:
not cancel it outright but do away with the portion which covers wind damage.
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Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?
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Jimbo said:
My prescription before Medicare took over was $30 for 90 days, Medicare took over, now it was $375 last January and $150ish after that 90 days worth.
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My Ozempic went from almost $400 every four weeks to $11 with a $0 Part D plan. That plan will be $5.63/month in 2027.

Make sure you've shopped around this open enrollment season.
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Other than fire, what other kinds of damage do you guys get down there?
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Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.
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dishstaller said:
So he HAD money for a remote but not $4 for this medicine that somebody somewhere thought he needed.
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Sounds like a self correcting situation.
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Not much else. Fire is the only thing I really worry about. I honestly didn't know I could remove wind coverage until someone told that they had....dropped their annual rate from $6,500 to $1,800. I'm currently paying $5,160.
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Does the Wind portion cover Hurricanes ?
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Home Theater Geeks 556

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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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WildBill
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Problem with Amazon Prime Video

I've been having intermittent problems with Amazon Prime video programs loading using the H3 guide listing. I can get to the program I want to watch, but when I try to view it, it starts to load and then stalls. Eventually, a screen pops up saying "something went wrong, try again later". I've tried rebooting the hopper without success. Sometimes switching the HDMI input on my LG TV works, but not always. I don't have this problem on my phone or computer, so it is not a network or router issue.

I did a quick google search and found that this is a common problem associated with overloading or corruption of the data cache in the Amazon app and the solution is to clear the cache. Easy to do on a computer or phone, but I don't know how to do this on the H3. If anyone a solution or suggestion, I'd appreciate some help. Thanks.
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I gave up trying to watch Prime through my H3 a long time ago.
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Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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slow_poke_pete said:
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.
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slow_poke_pete said:
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.
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If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
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If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
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Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.

    The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.


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Almighty1 said:
Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    • Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.
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This was for port settings for the switch, not the router.

Originally was recommended to use EDGE vs. Infrastructure, but had to change that back to Infrastructure.

Had to leave STP (Spanning tree protocol) ON, but disable BPDU guard, and also had to disable Non-STP loop protection.

The previous settings were flagging normal dish system packets as a data loop, and fully blocked that port on the UniFI Pro Max 16 POE switch.

These were specific to my managed switch, and may not apply to the OP's issue.
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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.
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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
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rvvaquero said:
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
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This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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We have had a corolary problem in this and the prior s/w. Using several different 40.0 remotes (yeah, we're old), when one pauses a live or recorded show it becomes a crap shoot whether it will step foreward the 30" as requested, jump to the end, or restart the episode. Tried the famous 60" reboot to no avail and have decided to live with it vs. a receiver swap risk.
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I think there's a change to the "skip forward 30 seconds". With CBS that does not have auto-skip, if you stack up a bunch of 30 second forwards it seems to stop when the kangaroo signaling the end of the commercial break appears.
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Also posted this in the 3rd party remote thread.

My Hopper 3 updated itself to H713 last week and the IR issue is worse now. On H711, I could be on an SD channel for several hours and the IR side of my H3 would still be responsive without my having to tap the View button on my Pronto Pro every 15 minutes. Now, if I stay even on an SD channel without tapping the View button at least once an hour, it becomes unresponsive to my Pronto Pro without tapping the View button at least 5-20 times, just like on the HD and 4K channels. So, H713 actually made the issue worse. :(

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