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DirecTV admits to incorrect billing for RSNs

https://arstechnica.com/information...-regional-sports-fees-starts-issuing-credits/
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SpaethCo said:
Again, the RSNs are unique in that it isn't just a channel you subscribe to -- you can have the channel but individual games aired in the RSNs have another layer of subscriptions.

The Sports Pack doesn't authorize viewing MLB, NBA, or NHL games on any of the RSNs, which are the sports leagues that add the bulk of the expense to the channels in the first place.

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Thats not true.
Directv can not Black out games.
Directv can put channels into a Higher package yes, Directv can also say what package you can and can't add the sports package too.

But they can't turn off and on games .
They are not Authorized to do such unless it falls under a blackout rules.

If you get the channel, and you are in market. You get the content.
RSN fee is only 4 years old.

They have you by the balls because they don't give you an opt out with Choice, Xtra, Ultimate, Or Premier .

Thats where the trouble comes in.
If you have these packages, there is absolutely Zero reason they should still charge you for both services.
They do it because they can, Not because its required for game access.
What if I want MLB EI, because I don't like my In market teams?
So I still have to pay $165 and $7.29 per month?
If it wasn't a Scam, they would let you opt out every package.

That's a Rip Off...

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Troch77 said:
Thats not true.
Directv can not Black out games.
Directv can put channels into a Higher package yes, Directv can also say what package you can and can't add the sports package too.

But they can't turn off and on games .
They are not Authorized to do such unless it falls under a blackout rules.

If you get the channel, and you are in market. You get the content.
RSN fee is only 4 years old.

They have you by the balls because they don't give you an opt out with Choice, Xtra, Ultimate, Or Premier .

Thats where the trouble comes in.
If you have these packages, there is absolutely Zero reason they should still charge you for both services.
They do it because they can, Not because its required for game access.
What if I want MLB EI, because I don't like my In market teams?
So I still have to pay $165 and $7.29 per month?
If it wasn't a Scam, they would let you opt out every package.

That's a Rip Off...

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I'll give you an example that proves you wrong. I'm in the SF bay area and my local RSNs are CSNBA and CSNCA, Giants and Warriors on CSNBA and A's and Kings on CSNCA. My basic programming package is Family and it does not include CSNBA/CSNCA. I have the MLB-EI(or will when I turn it back on in a few days) so I can watch Dodger games. I cannot watch either CSNBA or CSNCA with that MLB-EI package, those channels are not tunable for me because I don't have those channels in my basic programming package.

I do not pay any RSN fee because I do not have my local RSNs in my basic programming package. I pay only the $165 for MLB-EI and zero for any RSN fee.
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I'll give you an example that proves you wrong. I'm in the SF bay area and my local RSNs are CSNBA and CSNCA, Giants and Warriors on CSNBA and A's and Kings on CSNCA. My basic programming package is Family and it does not include CSNBA/CSNCA. I have the MLB-EI(or will when I turn it back on in a few days) so I can watch Dodger games. I cannot watch either CSNBA or CSNCA with that MLB-EI package, those channels are not tunable for me because I don't have those channels in my basic programming package.

I do not pay any RSN fee because I do not have my local RSNs in my basic programming package. I pay only the $165 for MLB-EI and zero for any RSN fee.
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Thats proves nothing.
As I said thats Directv decision to have those channels in your Basepackage.
If you subscribed to the sports pack, you would have all the RSNs .

But I'm bored and tired of Paying Directv, so after 11 years, I cut ties.
Paid over $4000 for Commercial NFL Sunday ticket, Over $3000 on MLB EI and they Still had the balls to add that $7.29 fee.

My commercial establishment is now supported by Cable.
But cost way less,with CSN PHILLY, MSG,MSG+,YES ,SNY, MLB EI, NHL CI. More than enough Pro football and college football, And no Bogus First receiver fees, or RSN fees.
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Thats proves nothing.
As I said thats Directv decision to have those channels in your Basepackage.
If you subscribed to the sports pack, you would have all the RSNs .

But I'm bored and tired of Paying Directv, so after 11 years, I cut ties.
Paid over $4000 for Commercial NFL Sunday ticket, Over $3000 on MLB EI and they Still had the balls to add that $7.29 fee.

My commercial establishment is now supported by Cable.
But cost way less,with CSN PHILLY, MSG,MSG+,YES ,SNY, MLB EI, NHL CI. More than enough Pro football and college football, And no Bogus First receiver fees, or RSN fees.
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What cable company do you have that doesn't charge an RSN fee?
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What cable company do you have that doesn't charge an RSN fee?
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I'm thinking all those fees are in there but not broken down seeing its a Commercial account hes talking about.
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Jimbo said:
I'm thinking all those fees are in there but not broken down seeing its a Commercial account hes talking about.
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Well of Course they are built in.
If Directv built theirs in, They wouldn't look good to the competition.
So they Hide them until your about ready to sign the dotted line.[emoji6]

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Well of Course they are built in.
If Directv built theirs in, They wouldn't look good to the competition.
So they Hide them until your about ready to sign the dotted line.[emoji6]

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But you had said above that there were no RSN fees, which I believe has been the point you've been trying to make here and as it turns out you're paying them with your new service as well.
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keenan said:
But you had said above that there were no RSN fees, which I believe has been the point you've been trying to make here and as it turns out you're paying them with your new service as well.
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The point that was being made, was Directv double dips.
So Directv Xtra package real price is $109.
Because there is absolutely no way I can get it for $94.99.



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Troch77 said:
The point that was being made, was Directv double dips.
So Directv Xtra package real price is $109.
Because there is absolutely no way I can get it for $94.99.



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Not really, the difference in your prices look like the SP being added, $13, you Can get your package without the SP for $ 94.99 if I'm reading your post right.
Your choosing to add the SP for the $13.
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Not if you include the first receiver fee, and RSN fee.
I wasn't including the sports pack.


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This was so much easier when they just gave you the cost, you paid it if its what you wanted and was done with it.
Now that everything is broke down (so others can officially get thier share) its all arguments and complaints !
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Without joining the debate on the rationale of the RSF, I respectfully disagree with you on this.

I've had the same programming for 6 years (including the Sports Pack) with no RSF. I review most of my bills from all companies when received. I noticed the RSF of 7.29 being charged for this first time in Jan. After discussing this with neighbors and hearing some were charged 0.00, I began my analysis and 'adventure' with ATT in which they determined this was an error on their part.

If the RSF had not been broken out separately, I guess I may have become aware of an increase in my bill but it would have been even more difficult to ascertain the nature of the increase.
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Not if you include the first receiver fee, and RSN fee.
I wasn't including the sports pack.


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But what does the addition of the first receiver fee have to do with anything? It sounds like you're not happy with them breaking out the RSN fee as a below the line charge. I do agree that below the line charges are sometimes straight up BS but in most cases like this, they do that so the advertised package price stays competitive to what other providers offer.

It looks like to me that DirecTV is applying around a 25%-50% profit onto these sports fees since a portion of the RSN cost has already been factored into the base programming package cost. If this is what you mean by double-dipping I can sort of see your point, but in the last 5-10 years the cost of these RSNs has continued to go up and up and the providers finally started to break out that cost and that's why you have a separate RSN fee along with paying a portion of the channel cost in your programming package price. The combination of what you've paid in the package price and the below the line RSN fee covers(more than covers really) the now current cost for that RSN.

They are doing the exact same thing with Broadcast TV fees, most cablecos are already doing it and if DirecTV hasn't started doing it yet you can take it to the bank that they will eventually. These fees are just like the RSN fees in that that help cover the rising costs of your local channels without adding that cost int the advertised pricing.

I should also add that these fees(RSN/Broadcast TV) are a bit of contract negotiation gamesmanship in that the providers want their subscribers to see what these networks are asking for their channels; a way to stay "hey, it's not us increasing the costs every year, it's these networks" sort of thing. It's a way of "shaming" these channels rising costs, especially RSNs.
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I just got my DirecTV bill for the month yesterday and on it was an $11.66 credit for RSN fees with a message that says "We credited the regional sports network fees we mistakenly billed you. We're sorry for the error."
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DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 6/10/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D9S, D16
@103W.... D10, D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​



See also​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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604 Pursuit HD is testing

Women's US Open Out, Men's US Open and World Cup in

The World Cup Bracket on 205-6 and 407-2 will be repurposing CINEHD 154
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The Vegas specific slate for KTNV is repurposing Dispute Slide 1 Test 9109
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Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.
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Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.
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looking at the old maps, that was from March 2017 to June 2019.
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Starz is apparently dropping all of the west coast feeds of their networks tomorrow. FiOS has already dropped most of the ones they carried and I imagine DirecTV would be affected with STZw on 526 and SENw on 536.
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Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
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telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
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Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.
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Does cable charge box rent?
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Does cable charge box rent?
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The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.
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Mexico takes on South Africa to open the World Cup Final (it is called the Final... this just isn't the World Cup Final... Final). The tournament has been plagued with rife malfeasance as FIFA has been committing all sorts of fraud with the ticket sales. Hotel rooms have gone unfilled as the prices to attend a game and stay somewhere are through the roof. I swear this is impacting Mansfield, OH hotel rates which are higher than average for the Indycar race. And there is a broadening VAR presence which will ruin things as nothing worse now when scoring a goal and knowing you can't quite celebrate yet as they check to see if a player was offside by a pixel a half-hour ago.

The Group Stage used to mean something, but now 32 of the 48... yeah, 48 teams are going to the Knockout Round. Getting into the Knockout Round used to be a big deal, even for the US. But now... if you don't lose all of your group stage games, you get to move on. Oi! And this is avoiding all the political stuff!

I have never been so unexcited for a World Cup before. Every game used to matter. But FIFA be darned if they don't try to squeeze out every dime they can out of the players, refs, and fans.
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Caught up to the 500... err... k in St. Louis. What a race! Andretti Motorsport were doing very well with Ericsson and Kirkwood, meanwhile Power was moving up the grid. Veekay started cautiously. He was working the tires just right, becoming more lethal later in the stint. Rasmussen was racing likewise, not nearly as insane as he has in the past. Palou was leading the race, in a shocker to all. Caio Collet was having a wonderful ride, making Ferucci potentially sweat a bit. Rain came, rain went, rain came, rain went. Generally mild sprinkles, but enough to pause racing on an oval.

Palou would kind of send Siegel into the wall. Siegel really didn't do much wrong. As he noted, you have to turn at some point. Palou had acres of room below and Siegel might have had his ticket out of Indycar stamped. Dixon was doing the fuel thing and got busted twice by yellows, not pitting before the flag came out. Then the most critical happened... Palou ran out of gas on pit lane, effectively giving Newgarden the race lead and win. Newgarden had a very early pit, so he was able to slide in, get service and go. Meanwhile, everyone else was confused and stuck behind Palou for a bit. Once people figured what was happening, Newgarden had a major advantage of several seconds. Newgarden wouldn't look back and when it went green again, he'd hold the lead for the win.

Massive credit to Juncos Hollinger who bested Penske in getting Veekay out before Malukas in a transition that was oddly bizarre. I haven't had time to check, but I'm wondering if Veekay was about to run out of fuel or cut a tire. He was charging late in a stint, got up to fifth, and then tailed back for a few laps to 10th or 11th. It looked like it was over. Went into the pits, and after the pitting sequence was over, Veekay was well inside the top ten again. It was weird. And he charged, getting up to fourth. He made a late move on Rasmussen, but Rasmussen held his position with some great driving. In fact, there was a ton of incredible racing passing, not passing all race long. Veekay would finish 4th. A podium would have been awesome, but it is a great outcome for a guy who hopefully will get a break with a big team. We saw what Veekay could do with a Honda last season with fuel save, imagine replacing Simpson on Ganassi and having speed to go with fuel saving. His 6th at Indy and 4th at St. Louis get him up to 13th in the points standings and only 5 points outside of the top 10.

Ericsson finished second, resigned to finishing behind the current best in the world guy on a short oval. Rasmussen got the final step on the podium, a nice rebound to what has been an otherwise bad year for him, and a good reward to ECR who just extended his contract.
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They raced USAC cars at Daytona once. Once! People died. Aj Foyt said 'f this', and left after the first go around. AJ freaking Foyt thought it was crazy! And cars weren't nearly as fast as they are now.

I think they tried Talladega once too.
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Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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