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Blackloz

Last reply Jul 16, 2018 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

After 18 years it’s time to Say Goodbye D*

Kind of. I can no longer justify paying for two Satellite subscriptions in two different countries any longer. I've finally had enough. As of July 1st Bell & DirecTV will both be shut down. I'm going with OTA and Amazon Prime with a NVIDIA Shield or Minix Neo 9H and DirecTV Now. With a VPN I should be able to watch most Canadian programming through the streaming device. My current bill is $75/month for Bell & $125/month for DirecTV. My savings should be good.

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slice1900

Jul 1, 2018

Directv Now is a totally separate product. There will be something that is (supposed to be) basically identical to Directv except it is delivered via IP coming by the end of the year. That will be what Directv sells in preference to the satellite version since installation will cost less with no dish and no Genie, just clients, but the satellite service will continue to be sold and continue to be available for years to come.

Anyone who says they are "dropping satellite" in a mere few years doesn't know what they are talking about, or understand how cheap it actually is to deliver satellite service, even including replacement of aged satellites. Not that this will be necessary, Directv has a new satellite under construction and once that's in service their current fleet should be good until around the end of the 2020s. They probably believe satellite has no future after 2030, but I wouldn't count on Dish to be around then either.

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Pere845

Jul 1, 2018

slice1900 said:
Directv Now is a totally separate product. There will be something that is (supposed to be) basically identical to Directv except it is delivered via IP coming by the end of the year. That will be what Directv sells in preference to the satellite version since installation will cost less with no dish and no Genie, just clients, but the satellite service will continue to be sold and continue to be available for years to come.

Anyone who says they are "dropping satellite" in a mere few years doesn't know what they are talking about, or understand how cheap it actually is to deliver satellite service, even including replacement of aged satellites. Not that this will be necessary, Directv has a new satellite under construction and once that's in service their current fleet should be good until around the end of the 2020s. They probably believe satellite has no future after 2030, but I wouldn't count on Dish to be around then either.

Sadly I don't trust AT&T and they can pull the plug in sat when they want to. Along with switching to Dish i am also leaving AT&T prepaid. I want nothing to do with them anymore.

slice1900

Jul 2, 2018

Pere845 said:
Sadly I don't trust AT&T and they can pull the plug in sat when they want to. Along with switching to Dish i am also leaving AT&T prepaid. I want nothing to do with them anymore.

Sure, and Apple could decide to quit selling the iPhone. Not sure why people don't get that the only reason AT&T paid $50 billion for Directv is because it was/is making $4 billion a year in profit, and that profit comes from their satellite offering. If AT&T only wanted it for the contracts they would have paid maybe a tenth of that - and if they did they still would have overpaid.

AT&T said that their Uverse TV contracts cost them $14/month/customer more than Directv's on average for equivalent content, and they had about 6 million Uverse TV subscribers at the time of purchase. That means they were paying about a billion a year more than they "would have" if they had Directv's size, which demonstrates how insanely stupid the idea they paid $50 billion for Directv to get their contracts is. Unless you think a 50 year payback (not including interest) is a sound investment.

DishSubLA

Jul 3, 2018

slice1900 said:
Sure, and Apple could decide to quit selling the iPhone. Not sure why people don't get that the only reason AT&T paid $50 billion for Directv is because it was/is making $4 billion a year in profit, and that profit comes from their satellite offering. If AT&T only wanted it for the contracts they would have paid maybe a tenth of that - and if they did they still would have overpaid.

AT&T said that their Uverse TV contracts cost them $14/month/customer more than Directv's on average for equivalent content, and they had about 6 million Uverse TV subscribers at the time of purchase. That means they were paying about a billion a year more than they "would have" if they had Directv's size, which demonstrates how insanely stupid the idea they paid $50 billion for Directv to get their contracts is. Unless you think a 50 year payback (not including interest) is a sound investment.

And AT&T wanted DirecTV's critical mass of subscribers, and that was the bigger share of the price (DirecTV had lower costs for programming than AT&T Uverse or FiOS). Now all that's left to do is to move over to DirecTV Now and cut costs on the satellite infrastructure, and then when DirecTVNow starts making a profit, it will be more of a profit than the sat side of the business. Even Dish is putting-down (throwing shade?

he, he, he) its own sat biz in SlingTV commercials (as is DirecTV in its commercials for DirecTVNOW) to promote and get subscribers to SlingTV. Both sat cos. know the future is virtual MVPD (apps via internet) and in Dish's case, a new entrant into 5G.

Let's remember that AT&T has made several statements on the record that they want to wind down and close the sat biz, they are, in fact, setting things up for that: DirecTVNow service. From day ONE of the purchase AT&T has stated, "We didn't buy DirecTV for its satellites." There business path is no secret because they have made clear that satellite aint in their future: close down the sat biz and move to the far less costly virtual MVPD model. They have given every indication and blunt, direct, unambiguous statements of the plan to close the sat biz side and move to virtual MVPD. That has been their repeated public statement. You can search for that stuff on the internet.

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slice1900

Jul 4, 2018

DishSubLA said:
And AT&T wanted DirecTV's critical mass of subscribers, and that was the bigger share of the price (DirecTV had lower costs for programming than AT&T Uverse or FiOS). Now all that's left to do is to move over to DirecTV Now and cut costs on the satellite infrastructure, and then when DirecTVNow starts making a profit, it will be more of a profit than the sat side of the business.

It costs them 50 cents per subscriber per month to maintain/replace the satellites. There's not a lot of savings from getting rid of satellite. Meanwhile the average revenue per month per satellite subscriber is $128, and the average monthly revenue per Directv Now subscriber is less than half that. Directv Now probably barely breaks even - despite the recent $5 hike, because programming costs the same whether it is streamed or broadcast via satellite. Why in the world would they want to convert customers paying $128/month to customers paying $60/month or whatever while giving them the same stuff? That's an insane business strategy unless you want to destroy the value of something you paid $50 billion for.

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DishSubLA

Jul 5, 2018

slice1900 said:
It costs them 50 cents per subscriber per month to maintain/replace the satellites. There's not a lot of savings from getting rid of satellite. Meanwhile the average revenue per month per satellite subscriber is $128, and the average monthly revenue per Directv Now subscriber is less than half that. Directv Now probably barely breaks even - despite the recent $5 hike, because programming costs the same whether it is streamed or broadcast via satellite. Why in the world would they want to convert customers paying $128/month to customers paying $60/month or whatever while giving them the same stuff? That's an insane business strategy unless you want to destroy the value of something you paid $50 billion for.

Because DirecTV has said so on MANY occasions. It is their stated goal and desire, and it ends tremendous costs for a delivery system DirecTV views as absolutely awful in terms of cost. The 50 Cents figure you cited did NOT include the cost to build, cost to launch, and cost for launch insurance. How convenient for AT&T not to mention FULL costs of the sats. The "value" you state AT&T paid for DirecTV only becomes great once the sat side of the biz is shut down, and AT&T can keep far more of their profits by eliminating the costly sat biz side. It's about the cost to distribute the content that is KING: multiple satellite vs internet delivery. Keep in mind that these companies like AT&T are all about nickel and dimming SAVINGS. ONE CENT in increased profit is worth whatever it takes for them to get it. But still the cost at the rate you cited per subscriber per satellite still represents significant savings by itself if the sats themselves are eliminated, but there are OTHER costs to the satellite business such as the following:

Installations costs; RMA and other replacement equipment costs; manufacturing STB costs; RMA facilities that require labor force and associated costs like warehouses, etc.; truck rolls for repair that DirecTV subsidizes real full cost; R&D (hardware) costs for new generations of complex satellite STB's with quality features; R&D for hardware earth stations such as reflectors, LNBF's, switches, etc.; having to maintain a variety of software for both legacy and newest generations of boxes and systems; having to upgrade encryption, if necessary, costs millions; a change to new technology such as all MPEG4 and the associated costs of money and problems to change out--at no charge--all those STB's so subscribers continue to receive programming (as Charlie Ergen once described the change-out process as " . . . painful and costly,") and all of that (including a few I may have forgotten) is before adding the cost of satellites, their launch, launch insurance and in-orbit insurance and their eventual replacement, and the added cost of costly construction and launch of what will be back-up satellites that will spend a lot of time doing nothing but parked asleep for years that the 50 cents per sub per satellite per month does not likely reflect the TRUE associated costs which is all the costs of building, launching, and then leaving asleep in space additional satellite (probably did include in-flight control of the ACTIVE sats, but not the entire cost of sleeping sats) and the entire support infrastructure that satellite technology business (like the cable MSO) model requires such as all that was listed above. And, please, companies like AT&T play with numbers like "50 cents" per subscriber limiting the TRUE related costs just to make them selves look so much better to Wall Street and keep the stock price high.

So what are the costs of a virtual MVPD (no satellite side of business) after programming costs? To view on your big
TV like we do Satellite today: software people and coders to create and maintain the App for connected devices; servers to support live programming and cloud DVR; cost of bandwidth services to deliver programming to the backbone of the internet. All the other costs that are a part of the sat biz are eliminated and the consumer, not DirecTV, has to obtain at his or her expense, their own box (Roku, FireTV, etc. and/or mobile devices), an ISP and/or wireless provider, and that's about it. No RMA costs for DirecTV, no satellite equipment, R&D, Labor costs etc., etc., etc. for the sat biz.

And let's not forget that whether or not we can wrap our heads around it or if we just can't accept the reality, DirecTV has publicly said from day ONE, over and over that getting rid of the sat biz is exactly what they intend and want to do, and have moved to do so. $50 billion aint all that much for AT&T to buy DirecTV. In fact, there was $80 billion more left over to buy Time/Warner. I like the satellite tech, but it is a fact of life that BOTH sat companies see virtual MVPD as the future, but I do think Dish will still keep the sat side of business because DirecTV has made no secret their plans to LEAVE the sat biz, and primarily to provide service to rural area--at least until Dish's and AT&T's 5G comes to rural America.

SpaethCo

Jul 5, 2018

DishSubLA said:
The 50 Cents figure you cited did NOT include the cost to build, cost to launch, and cost for launch insurance. How convenient for AT&T not to mention FULL costs of the sats.

I believe that number was at least partially derived from what was disclosed in pre-merger DirecTV financial reports as part of the broadcast operations expenses, defined as:

These expenses include broadcast center operating costs, signal transmission expenses (including costs of collecting signals for our local channel offerings), and costs of monitoring, maintaining and insuring our satellites. Also included are engineering expenses associated with deterring theft of our signal.

Some of the launch expenses fell into the "maintaining" category, while the actual satellites themselves were grouped in with equipment depreciation along with the receivers. Of course, all of this financial reporting became far more opaque once ATT took over, so we don't have really good numbers after 2015.

DishSubLA said:
before adding the cost of satellites, their launch, launch insurance and in-orbit insurance and their eventual replacement, and the added cost of costly construction and launch of what will be back-up satellites that will spend a lot of time doing nothing but parked asleep for years that the 50 cents per sub per satellite per month does not likely reflect the TRUE associated costs which is all the costs of building, launching, and then leaving asleep in space additional satellite (probably did include in-flight control of the ACTIVE sats, but not the entire cost of sleeping sats) and the entire support infrastructure that satellite technology business (like the cable MSO) model requires such as all that was listed above.

The last value we have for the DirecTV satellite fleet encompasses the launch of DirecTV-15, and it was reported in the 10-Q financial report ending 6/30/2015.

At June 30, 2015, the net book value of in-orbit satellites was $2,047 million, all of which was uninsured.

So we know you can rule out satellite vehicle insurance costs because they specifically tell investors the assets are uninsured. The satellites all have a service design life of 15 years, there are 20 million domestic satellite subscribers, and 13.5 million Latin America subscribers. So $2,047m / 15 years is an annual amortized expense of $136.47m. That total expense split across 33.5 million subs, is roughly $4 per year, or $0.34/mo in depreciated satellite asset value per sub.

If you add the depreciated asset value and define operating expenses (which would include the launch expenses) you still end up with less than $1 per sub per month.

DishSubLA said:
DirecTV has made no secret their plans to LEAVE the sat biz, and primarily to provide service to rural area--at least until Dish's and AT&T's 5G comes to rural America.

ATT sees value in any video services they can sell because bundling services prevents churn on the far more lucrative wireless side. Of course, it's not all roses, because they reported that a 4.5% decline in video subscribers has pushed a 7.3% drop in revenue. From the latest ATT quarterly financial statement:

Video entertainment revenues decreased $661, or 7.3%, in the first quarter of 2018, largely driven by a 4.5% decline in linear video subscribers. Our over-the-top video subscriber net adds more than offset our decline in linear video connections. However, this shift by our customers, consistent with the rest of the industry, from a premium linear service to our more economically priced over-the-top video service has pressured our video revenues. Also contributing to the decrease was the impact of newly adopted accounting rules, which resulted in less revenue allocated when video services are bundled with other offerings. Churn rose for subscribers with linear video only service, partially reflecting price increases.

As of March 2018 their reported subscriber counts were:

Satellite 20,270
U-Verse 3,632
DIRECTV NOW 1,467

With DIRECTV NOW rounding up 5.8% of the subscriber base (and growing), they're bleeding revenue even faster than they're bleeding subscribers.

Sounds like an awesome strategy.

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DishSubLA

Jul 5, 2018

SpaethCo said:
I believe that number was at least partially derived from what was disclosed in pre-merger DirecTV financial reports as part of the broadcast operations expenses, defined as:

These expenses include broadcast center operating costs, signal transmission expenses (including costs of collecting signals for our local channel offerings), and costs of monitoring, maintaining and insuring our satellites. Also included are engineering expenses associated with deterring theft of our signal.

Some of the launch expenses fell into the "maintaining" category, while the actual satellites themselves were grouped in with equipment depreciation along with the receivers. Of course, all of this financial reporting became far more opaque once ATT took over, so we don't have really good numbers after 2015.

The last value we have for the DirecTV satellite fleet encompasses the launch of DirecTV-15, and it was reported in the 10-Q financial report ending 6/30/2015.

At June 30, 2015, the net book value of in-orbit satellites was $2,047 million, all of which was uninsured.

So we know you can rule out satellite vehicle insurance costs because they specifically tell investors the assets are uninsured. The satellites all have a service design life of 15 years, there are 20 million domestic satellite subscribers, and 13.5 million Latin America subscribers. So $2,047m / 15 years is an annual amortized expense of $136.47m. That total expense split across 33.5 million subs, is roughly $4 per year, or $0.34/mo in depreciated satellite asset value per sub.

If you add the depreciated asset value and define operating expenses (which would include the launch expenses) you still end up with less than $1 per sub per month.

ATT sees value in any video services they can sell because bundling services prevents churn on the far more lucrative wireless side. Of course, it's not all roses, because they reported that a 4.5% decline in video subscribers has pushed a 7.3% drop in revenue. From the latest ATT quarterly financial statement:

Video entertainment revenues decreased $661, or 7.3%, in the first quarter of 2018, largely driven by a 4.5% decline in linear video subscribers. Our over-the-top video subscriber net adds more than offset our decline in linear video connections. However, this shift by our customers, consistent with the rest of the industry, from a premium linear service to our more economically priced over-the-top video service has pressured our video revenues. Also contributing to the decrease was the impact of newly adopted accounting rules, which resulted in less revenue allocated when video services are bundled with other offerings. Churn rose for subscribers with linear video only service, partially reflecting price increases.

As of March 2018 their reported subscriber counts were:

Satellite 20,270
U-Verse 3,632
DIRECTV NOW 1,467

With DIRECTV NOW rounding up 5.8% of the subscriber base (and growing), they're bleeding revenue even faster than they're bleeding subscribers.

Sounds like an awesome strategy.

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These disclosures/quarterly earnings reports are for the peasants: careful not to offend the SEC, but of no value to the REAL investors out there. It's all prose designed to create a safe,. calm place to invest your money or keep your stock rather than sell it, and there have been incidents when corporations to have been caught printing one thing in those pretty, coffee table editions of their annuals and quarterlies that was not an accurate depiction of the reality. Those publications and disclosures are all about covering butt and complying with the law so Goober who fancies himself a savvy investor just because he watches CNBC all day are reads those pretty reports while emptying the contents of his colon, with printed statement by the lawyers saying pretty much that whatever you read in the pretty book, may not be the case at the day after printing, so as to have cover with the SEC.

Ironically, it is the quarterly conference calls that are often the source of frank, sometimes honest, and even contrary to the content in the pretty book published last quarter, where revelations of the real plans and intentions are revealed and sometimes from fairly tough questions asked that provoke stark differences from what as published in the pretty book. Of course they say " . . . see any value in video services" because no company is going to say in disclosures or reports to the rabble that they see very little value in the long term to "a particular" video service, certainly not satellite. That disclosure is about the short term game: they still advertise DirecTV to gain subscribers because in the long run, AT&T is better off having as many potential satellite subscribers NOT subscribing to Dish instead, and DirecTV in the long run can transition as many of its subscribers over to the far less costly DircTVNow, especially as DirecTV's goal is to have their virtual MVPD to be as close to the satellite experience as possible, and they have years in which to achieve that.

But still, when AT&T states that they will and are working to end the satellite side of the business and make statements like, "we didn't buy DirecTV for its satellites," in response to why AT&T is going so all-in for the virtual MVPD model: DirecTVNOW, we have to accept the words coming out of the company officers mouths because it has proven far more accurate a truth than anything printed and published in those beautiful, fat, coffee table edition earnings reports for the Mules to display proudly as decoration for all their friends to notice. And yet, companies have tanked after publishing what was such a rosy picture of the company page after page--Oh, with that often obscure legal disclaimer warning that you had best not believe in Santa Claus because he wrote that beautiful coffee table edition of the Earning Report in your hands now, along with a litany of all sorts of problems and losses that can occur despite all the numbers and graphs indicate contained within this limited edition, proudly displayed upon your coffee table Earnings Report and prospectus.

So what. Despite how great a person may seem on paper, like a resume, if, at the interview,that person says from his own mouth that he doesn't possess the skills for the job for which he is applying, hates having to go to work each morning and that you should jump in the lake: which are you going to believe, the resume or what he just said out of his own mouth?

slice1900

Jul 5, 2018

DishSubLA said:
The 50 Cents figure you cited did NOT include the cost to build, cost to launch, and cost for launch insurance.

Yes it does. Directv doesn't release exact information on the cost of building/launching their satellites, but it can be inferred from the costs given for similar satellites - about $400 million per satellite, and they last a little over 20 years, which comes out to about $1.5 million per month over the life of the satellite. They have a little over 20 million subscribers now, which means each satellite costs less than 10 cents per month per subscriber. Going forward they only need five (D11/D14 @99, D12/D15 @103, T16 @101) so that's maybe 40 cents per subscriber per month. The rest is the cost for maintaining them (i.e. tracking/control/etc. and maintenance on ground stations)

People see eye watering large numbers for the cost of satellites and think that costs a ton, but those costs are divided across 20+ million satellite subscribers. What really matters though is that Directv probably never needs to launch another satellite after T16 is in orbit, because they'll be good through the end of the next decade. If they figure out one of them will run out of fuel in 2030, yeah there's no way they'll launch another one, that's when satellite goes away. It would make no sense at all to shut it down before then; the satellites in orbit are a sunk cost.

If AT&T told people how much they're investing in the infrastructure to deliver Directv Now, and the future IP version of Directv, they'd probably see those numbers and think how can they afford that they should stick with satellite!

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SpaethCo

Jul 5, 2018

DishSubLA said:
But still, when AT&T states that they will and are working to end the satellite side of the business and make statements like, "we didn't buy DirecTV for its satellites," in response to why AT&T is going so all-in for the virtual MVPD model: DirecTVNOW, we have to accept the words coming out of the company officers mouths

When you get to companies the size of DirecT&T/Warner, it's sadly not all that uncommon for senior management to get out of sync with the technical capabilities of their organization. I think it's easier to sell that as being the future when we can stop being excited about "record breaking" streaming numbers of 2 million unique viewers.

Fox set a streaming record during the World Cup on Monday

slice1900 said:
If AT&T told people how much they're investing in the infrastructure to deliver Directv Now, and the future IP version of Directv, they'd probably see those numbers and think how can they afford that they should stick with satellite!

The really important part is the costs scale linearly. 100 streams require 100x the bandwidth and server capacity of 1 stream. Bandwidth overall is getting cheaper, but it takes expensive compute with tons of memory and SSD for caching to be able to serve up rate-adaptive HLS streams effectively. That's why almost all the players (Sling, Hulu, FOX, DirecTV, Playstation Vue, Philo, etc) are all outsourcing their CDN infrastructure to Akamai, Level(3), and Fastly. As of right now, Netflix remains the only large mainstream provider (ie, not Pornhub) who owns and operates its own CDN infrastructure for purposes of single-tenant video distribution.

KraziJoe

Jul 6, 2018

I canceled, though it took a few calls to get it done because the first rep said the system was down and gave me another number to call. Called them and they tried to keep me, even though I said I didn't want to stay. Then I found out my refund is via a Visa gift card and I was like WTF. Do I send you Visa Cards when I pay? So now I will be getting a $100+ visa gift card that better not have freaking fees...
Thanks for a great forum. The last 8 or so years have been good and thanks for all the insight...

Plywodstatebum

Jul 15, 2018

I think Amazon will own everything in 10 years anyway. And we will just d/l anything we want to watch with Prime for $200 a month..... :amen

ncted

Jul 16, 2018

SpaethCo said:
When you get to companies the size of DirecT&T/Warner, it's sadly not all that uncommon for senior management to get out of sync with the technical capabilities of their organization. I think it's easier to sell that as being the future when we can stop being excited about "record breaking" streaming numbers of 2 million unique viewers.

Fox set a streaming record during the World Cup on Monday

The really important part is the costs scale linearly. 100 streams require 100x the bandwidth and server capacity of 1 stream. Bandwidth overall is getting cheaper, but it takes expensive compute with tons of memory and SSD for caching to be able to serve up rate-adaptive HLS streams effectively. That's why almost all the players (Sling, Hulu, FOX, DirecTV, Playstation Vue, Philo, etc) are all outsourcing their CDN infrastructure to Akamai, Level(3), and Fastly. As of right now, Netflix remains the only large mainstream provider (ie, not Pornhub) who owns and operates its own CDN infrastructure for purposes of single-tenant video distribution.

Bandwidth costs do not scale linearly, especially when you are talking about CDNs. The more bandwidth you push across Akamai, etc., the less it costs you per GB, TB, etc. If your CDN (or backbone provider for that matter) is charging you the same rate for 100TB per month as they are for 100PB per month, you're doing it very wrong.

Also, Amazon has their own CDN too.

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BlackHitachi

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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma

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osu1991

Saturday at 9:48 PM

Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.

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dfergie

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Rooster Cogburn.

Keep forgetting the free movies on youtube are ad free with my premium subscription.

There are some really good movies on youtube.
Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...

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Saving Private Ryan 4k, Dolby Atmos...

These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.

dfergie

Yesterday at 10:07 AM

harshness said:
These are severely limited. Getting better than stereo audio is improving, but still has a long way to go.

I went with my 4k disc after checking out that version.

osu1991

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View: https://youtu.be/I68627xyDPA?is=gUZB0Yv_08pE0DR3

Tonight revisiting one of my favorites. Ranks up there with Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Hunt For Red October.

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Watching Monterey Pop, been awhile, had the DVD, but probably lost in the fire 10.5 years ago. HBOmax

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Paul's Microsoft Build 2026 Takeaways #shorts

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Tapatalk Removed

Due to security concerns and the fact that the Tapatalk Plugin for Xenforo is no longer being updated we have removed Tapatalk support from SatelliteGuys.

For those who were using it we recommend using our PWA App instead which is faster and does not have all the spam Tapatalk had. Below is a graphic showing how to add SatelliteGuys to your devices home screen. (While iOS is shown the process is mostly the same for Android.)

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Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…

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Brave Browser for Androud

I have had good experiences with Brave but lately I am frustrated with it.

Now when I launch the app it shows a box at the bottom asking if I want to go back to the last opened page. It is in conveniently located and I would prefer to eliminate it.

Does anyone know how to do this?

Please let's not sidetrack the discussion into an exploration of why I don't care for it or a lecture about all the wonderful aspects of the feature. I just do not care for it.

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b4pjoe

Today at 7:50 PM

I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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Peter Parker

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b4pjoe said:
I don't have an Android phone so I don't know if this will apply to the Brave settings on your android device but it works on the desktop for me.

Change this setting to either startup to a different website or a new tab page. I have mine set to open to google.com instead of where I left off and it doesn't ask me at the next startup if I want to open the last opened page unless it crashed.

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RJT79

Last reply Today at 9:22 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

MLB Extra Innings Issue with DISH

Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

MyDISH

Manage your DISH account online. Pay your bill, view programming, upgrade services, and access customer support at MyDISH.

my.dish.com

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RJT79

Yesterday at 5:54 PM

zippyfrog said:
I know they are doing some major satellite work - the second satellite at 110 which is now in use, and they are moving channels between 119 and 110. Maybe since there are no other sports going on, have they temporarily cut back on the out of market sports packages? I am not sure. It looks like those channels are all coming from 119 TP 13, 110 TP 12, and 110 TP 09.

Also, Dish's Scheduled Satellite Maintenance page doesn't have anything going on:

MyDISH

Manage your DISH account online. Pay your bill, view programming, upgrade services, and access customer support at MyDISH.

my.dish.com

Trying to get use to this forum and where everything is located at. I saw you responded from my post on the changes and took me a while to get back to see this post. But yes, it is exactly what I was thinking. I too noticed the change of MLB Extra Innings from 110 to 119. Because of 30 teams they have to algin everything. Only other sport going on PPV wise is WNBA League Pass and I do not have a subscription to that but maybe some else who has it can confirm what they done and what satellite and transponders they are on.

This is a big shift for DISH. I just hope if Charlie Ergen does ever sell out to anyone that I can continue to use my DISH Playmaker and I can keep my Wally's. If its anything like what happened to DIRECTV a few years back which turned out to be a total disaster when AT&T acquired DIRECTV nothing there changed with boxes or anything and you continued to use the same service but I was very surprised to see AT&T sell it to TPG especially after they had just bought it now long ago.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Today at 7:01 PM

RJT79 said:
Hello everyone.

I am new here and I done a search on MLB Extra Innings and DISH and it led me to this forum and so I signed up and hopefully someone can help me out with some issues.

First off, I am a DISH Outdoors customer and I signed up for service back in late October of 2025. I have a Wally HD Receiver and I am using the DISH Playmaker OS 2.1 as my Antenna that operates on 110 and 119 Western Arc and Alternative 61.5, 110, and 119 satellites. I signed up for MLB Extra Innings back in March before the season began. I was excited to be able to watch MLB Extra Innings because I love baseball and I use to have MLB Extra Innings on Satellite DIRECTV back in 2001-2004 and on Satellite DISH back in 2016 and 2017.

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that it is actually MLB.TV Simulcasted to DISH Satellite (More on that later) Anyways I have been watching faithfully almost every night however about a week ago there was a problem. When I went to go to the game to watch a game the game wouldn't come in an I would send a refresh signal to my receiver and then I could watch the programming and when I went to switch games at that games appointed time slot my Wally HD Receiver who lockup where I couldn't change any channels or view the guide and it would reboot. The next night when I turned to a game at game start it still had the background it shows before the game started and again send a refresh signal and went though this same thing over and over. I added a movie channel to my lineup and had issues with showing up my Dish Wally HD Receiver.

With an investigation after several calls with DISH Support it was determined that by going to the diagnostics screen that I had a issue with my Tuner because any changes that I made to my programming these changes would not take affect on the Wally HD Receiver. In other words that Wally HD Receiver was toast!

I too had reported MLB Extra Innings issue to DISH and they created a ticket for it and said that someone would investigate the issue. I too took notice that under MyDISH account under MLB Extra Innings always before it would show that I was subscribed and on auto-renew. Now it shows nothing and even after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so that I can see it in guest mode it too doesn't even list a price and option for purchase as does the now WNBA League Pass.

After my DISH Receiver was ruined I had to buy a new Wally HD Receiver. I took advantage an bought 2 HD Wally's and added them both to my account. I called back to remove the old box off of the account and was told it was linked to MLB Extra Innings and the advanced technical support team said there was a glitch with MLB Extra Innings and hope to have a resolution in a couple of days and I could call back in to then to remove the box. But both the 2 new Wally HD Receivers are activated on my account. I asked them what the problem was with MLB Extra Innings and how long it would be and I was told there was a glitch as I asked to specify what they meant and got no answer. I again went and checked the MyDISH account page under the MLB Extra Innings page and it still doesn't list me as subscribed and after logging out and deleting my User Name and Password so I could it see it as a guest mode and it still doesn't list the price and option for purchase as it does for the WNBA League Pass.

I am afraid to boot up these boxes and go through the activation screen process because of the issues with the MLB Extra Innings in fear it will do the same or mess up my boxes from being able to receive MLB Extra Inning because or any other programing because I was told that MLB Extra Innings wouldn't come in on those new box because it was activated with the Wally that is ruined and it needs removed first.

Now I have no DISH service going on a week and miss my MLB Extra Innings when the races are just heating up and now with two boxes activated I can't boot up because I am afraid it will mess them up and I will be out the $180.00 or so dollars I made in purchase on the receivers.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with their MLB Extra Innings and does anyone really know what this so called glitch actually is? I can't seem to get a clear answer from anybody and don't even know if it will even be fixed or anyone really understands it.

Now to my previous statement on how I was disappointed that MLB Extra Innings is actually MLB.TV in simulcast. When I had MLB Extra Innings before with DIRECTV in 2001-2004 and with DISH form 2016 and 2017. They would always show the commercials for every teams broadcast from their local market and all games would be authentic just as if you were watching in their home market. After I quit DISH I went to streaming for awhile and I done MLB.TV and I hated their features because of the no commercials, the delayed times of getting back after the commercial break, and not being able to listen to what studios had to say when they would cut into the studios, and always looking at the screen during commercial breaks with a screen that says commercial break in progress and a silhouette background of MLB Players doing baseball things and the their crazy commercial breaks sound. I was excited to go back to DISH thinking I escaped the horrors of MLB.TV. Well its actually the same thing. I compared them side by side and actually MLB.TV is ahead by just a few seconds. So actually MLB Extra Innings on Satellite is delayed from time period wise from actually watching MLB.TV which shows it is simulcasted. My question is when did this start? And is this legal? This isn't what I know MLB Extra Innings to be. I too had signed up for NHL Center Ice this past winter and thank goodness its authentic! They still have the commercials and its like watching it as you were in their home network and its the way it oughta be even if you only do get one feed of NHL Center Ice per team on DISH and don't know which feed it is every night.

Looking forward to your responses. So far happy with DISH but unhappy with this last week and the ruining of a Wally HD Receiver.

I hope I can be of some contribution here as well.

Sincerely,

RJ T.
From Illinois

Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Today at 7:38 PM

RJT79 said:
Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

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RJT79

Today at 7:41 PM

RJT79 said:
Update on MLB Extra Innings as of 5:50 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

I am getting tired of not being able to watch any baseball games and having paid for MLB Extra Innings and not knowing what the reason is I called dish back at 1-800-333-3474. I guess after all of my calls my call was routed to the Advanced Technical Support Team. I had something happen that I never knew they could do and they gained access into my Wally Receiver. I was told settings look good and right now on the only channel that shows is the MLB1 Baltimore Orioles Channel. They are playing the at home against the Seattle Mariners right now. She was able to access to that channel which prompted a purchase a Rent option. That signaled a red flag to her right away. She escalated a ticket with photographs and info from my screen to the top tier advanced programing technical department and told me they received the ticket and are reviewing it now. They got back to her and said they would have information within 30 minutes. I either get the channels within 30 minutes or I am to call back and they will advance from there. Seems like maybe my persistence is paying off. I will keep you informed. Maybe we can all have a resolution to this shortly.

RJ T.
From Illinois

Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this

Dish TV

Manage your Dish TV account, programming, pay bills, and access your favorite channels with the MyDish app.

my.dish.com

They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois

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RJT79

Today at 9:22 PM

RJT79 said:
Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this

Dish TV

Manage your Dish TV account, programming, pay bills, and access your favorite channels with the MyDish app.

my.dish.com

They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Ill

RJT79 said:
Update as of 6:40 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026...

Noting went through on my screen. However take a look at this

Dish TV

Manage your Dish TV account, programming, pay bills, and access your favorite channels with the MyDish app.

my.dish.com

They have the page back up but it shows I need to purchase. On phone on hold waiting to connect to get this thing activated.

Will post shortly with update.

RJ T.
From Illinois

Final Update... As of 8:08 P.M. CDT June 10, 2026.

I now have MLB Extra Innings back! Look at the photo! (I did not include full image of the game due to copyright)

Let me just say it was rough! Very rough! And lets just say Charlie Ergen should be ashamed of his customer service team and how they handled this whole issue.

After multiple calls after my last post only to get the run around with answers like there are no refunds on MLB Extra Innings once the season starts, to they are working on it, to accessing my screen and sending multi hits to the box.

All I asked was one simple question remove the MLB Extra Innings which they confirmed I had and reauthorize free of charge. I was given a 1,000 reasons why this couldn't be done.

Well..........

I paid for it myself.... $120.00 current rate and it works!

I called back in to let them know what I done and what I thought of the customer service and told them I needed refunded. I was told they didn't do refunds....

Well again I called back and got someone who refunded the original payment of $150.00 back to my account. A $30 discount for all the hard trouble I went though.

It is now up to you all out there that have MLB Extra Innings to try to get them to do this but I am afraid you are going to have to take your own action and purchase again and beg for a refund or be out the $150.00 originally paid.

Persistence pays off. I don't give up very easily.

You can all go here below to make the purchase if you have any trouble.

Dish TV

Manage your Dish TV account, programming, pay bills, and access your favorite channels with the MyDish app.

my.dish.com

I hope it all works well for you! And best of luck to everyone who has it!

I will still be around on this forum. You all sound like a fine group of people! I hope I can contribute more.

Take care!

RJ T.
From Illinois

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"Bonus View" Channel List

I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.

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2 Bonus View channels removed today:

My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the tip.

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tparker

Today at 6:10 PM

One added, one removed. But I think it's really only a name change, with similar (or identical?) programming.

My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the alert.

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Today at 6:26 PM

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One added, one removed. But I think it's really only a name change, with similar (or identical?) programming.

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