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mjac

Last reply Jul 26, 2018 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Switching things around

Hello,

Haven't been posting here since I quit fooling around with C band.

Today I am seeking help some help (read, will this work) with some changes to a dish system I currently have on a small, one TV cabin deep in the mountain woods of east TN. The system is very simple, a hopper with sling and two antennas. Why two antennas, I don't know, there is only one feed to one tv. I also have an OTA that works very, very well in spite of the tree cover. OTOH a passing rain cloud, heavy cloud cover, snow or very windy conditions will knock out the dish signal.

Since the current dish receiver does not have not have a OTA tuner, my plan is to buy a 211k and buy a hard drive. I will give the hopper back to dish, drop the local service/dvr fees then activate the 211k and hard drive. I will be saving some money but I also realize there is will be a one time fee for activating the hard drive. I hope to move the recorded content from the hopper to new hard drive but it's not a deal breaker if I can't.

We also have a 211z and tailgater antenna in our travel trailer. Since where we often camp is surrounded by very heavy tree cover, the tailgater antenna is useless. So is the TT tv's ota tuner but I digress. The tailgater antenna will be sold.

The plan is/was, when we are using the TT we would take the 211k/HD combo with us and watch previously recorded content. However SHMBO has pointed out if the 211k/hd combo has been moved from the cabin to the TT no new shows are being recorded as if it where at home while we are using the TT.

Enter the 211z. Could I buy a second hard drive, move any recorded content from the 211k's hd to the second hd, and play it on the 211z? If this would work the 211k/hd would stay at home.

Could I record to two hd's at the same time? Take one to the TT as needed?

If, in the rare instance OTA was available in the TT, I would not be able to record it because the 211z does not have a tuner. I have looked but one seems to have/make a single tuner that works with a 211z.

Sorry to be so long winded. Thanks.

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navychop

Jul 26, 2018

I suspect, but do not know, that the K OTA tuner will be better.

A Wally would be a better long term solution. But at $50, I can't fault the ViP211K.

In the long run, we are all dead.

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mjac

Jul 26, 2018

Fresh off the phone with Dish fyi.
Regarding differences in OTA reception/record-ability with a 211K with its onboard tuner or a 211Z with a external single tuner. There is no difference.

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boba

Jul 26, 2018

mjac said:
Fresh off the phone with Dish fyi.
Regarding differences in OTA reception/record-ability with a 211K with its onboard tuner or a 211Z with a external single tuner. There is no difference.

Don't believe DISH the 211K has a better tuner than the OTA dongle for the 211Z.

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mjac

Jul 26, 2018

boba said:
Don't believe DISH the 211K has a better tuner than the OTA dongle for the 211Z.

Thanks.
I have ordered a 211K to stay in the cabin (read above) and I'll use the 211Z as a playback machine only in the TT.
Maybe I can test both soon. That is if I can use either without being hooked up to dish (read listed on my account) to test OTA reception?

pattykay

Jul 26, 2018

mjac said:
Thanks.
I have ordered a 211K to stay in the cabin (read above) and I'll use the 211Z as a playback machine only in the TT.
Maybe I can test both soon. That is if I can use either without being hooked up to dish (read listed on my account) to test OTA reception?

Unfortunately, you would not be able to tune the OTA stations without the guide data, which is delivered by satellite. (Even then, many stations will still not have guide data anyway, but the receiver does not like it if there is not any guide data at all.) Dish does not want people using these as OTA-only receivers.

mjac

Jul 26, 2018

crodrules said:
Unfortunately, you would not be able to tune the OTA stations without the guide data, which is delivered by satellite. (Even then, many stations will still not have guide data anyway, but the receiver does not like it if there is not any guide data at all.) Dish does not want people using these as OTA-only receivers.

So if/when I had the TT and 211z with its OTA dongle somewhere the tailgater antenna could see the southern sky, I could call dish, add the receiver as mobile, get service (guide) and go from there?

boba

Jul 26, 2018

mjac said:
So if/when I had the TT and 211z with its OTA dongle somewhere the tailgater antenna could see the southern sky, I could call dish, add the receiver as mobile, get service (guide) and go from there?

Clarification? Are all 3 receivers going to be on the same account?
What exact tuner did you buy for the 211Z, it should also fit your Hopper so just plug it in and see what you get.

mjac

Jul 26, 2018

boba said:
Clarification? Are all 3 receivers going to be on the same account?

Only one receiver, a 211K that has been ordered, will be on the account full time. My current receiver, a hopper, is going back to Dish when the 211K is in hand. I own a 211z for which I bought a OTA single receiver tuner and this receiver *might* be added to my account when traveling in my TT.

What exact tuner did you buy for the 211Z, it should also fit your Hopper so just plug it in and see what you get.

I do not have the exact number or description of the tuner but it looks like this:
http://www.laaudiofile.com/images/dish_hopper_ota_adapter.jpg

HTH

boba

Jul 26, 2018

mjac said:
Only one receiver, a 211K that has been ordered, will be on the account full time. My current receiver, a hopper, is going back to Dish when the 211K is in hand. I own a 211z for which I bought a OTA single receiver tuner and this receiver *might* be added to my account when traveling in my TT.

I do not have the exact number or description of the tuner but it looks like this:
http://www.laaudiofile.com/images/dish_hopper_ota_adapter.jpg

HTH

That should fit your Hopper plug it in and start using the OTA tuner.

navychop

Jul 26, 2018

You might save, rather than reuse, EHD from Hopper. In case you one day go back to a Hopper while on same account. You could then watch

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Jul 26, 2018

navychop said:
In the long run, we are all dead.

John Maynard Keynes IS dead.

And as a Milton Friedman guy, I couldn't be happier.

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HipKat

Jul 26, 2018

boba said:
Don't believe DISH the 211K has a better tuner than the OTA dongle for the 211Z.

Absolutely. I'm surprised they didn;t ask him to unplug it for 10 secs before answering his question

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mheisen

Last reply Today at 3:43 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

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mheisen

Yesterday at 6:11 PM

Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 6:33 PM

mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 3:38 AM

Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

slow_poke_pete

Today at 3:43 AM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

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