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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Dec 26, 2020 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Nexstar Media Group forces blackout of nearly 5.4 million DISH customers

Nexstar Media Group forces blackout of nearly 5.4 million DISH customers

Nexstar initiates largest local station blackout in TV history, holds viewers hostage to create negotiation leverage
Broadcaster giant demands more than $1 billion for local broadcast station fees
Nexstar ignores extension offers and takes away local stations

ENGLEWOOD, Colo., December 2, 2020 – Nexstar Media Group today forced the largest broadcast affiliate station blackout in TV history, rejecting DISH's calls for a contract extension and taking away local programming from nearly 5.4 million DISH subscribers.

"We made a fair offer to keep Nexstar stations available to our customers, but Nexstar rejected it," said Brian Neylon, Group President, DISH TV. "Earlier today, we offered to extend the current contract and hold subscribers harmless while negotiations continue — once at 11:53am MST and again at 3:11pm MST — but Nexstar never responded. We don't understand why Nexstar insists on prioritizing greed above American viewers, many of whom rely on local programming for their news and entertainment, especially during this global pandemic."

In recent years, Nexstar went on a $12 billion local broadcast station buying spree to become the largest and most powerful station owner in the country. Now that Nexstar is the biggest in the industry, it is strong-arming companies like DISH to pay outrageous rates and force unprecedented increases onto customers. In its latest move, the broadcaster has blacked out its stations from DISH customers to gain negotiation leverage in an effort to line its wallet with viewers' hard-earned money — a tactic it used last year against DirecTV and AT&T U-verse.

"Nexstar is demanding over $1 billion in fees for stations that are available for free over the air," added Neylon. "This shocking increase is the largest we have ever seen. While we work to keep subscribers' TV bills as low as possible, Nexstar has no problem passing the buck on to American consumers. It has turned its back on its public interest obligation and is demanding significantly more money for the same programming."

Nexstar is also forcing DISH to carry WGN America as part of this deal, a channel that has experienced declining viewership in recent years. Nexstar acquired this channel when it bought Tribune last year. Now, the broadcast owner is looking to DISH customers to pay back this investment. Nexstar is demanding a significant payment for this low-rated channel that airs syndicated reruns found on other DISH stations and features a news program that can be accessed for free online.

"We have been working tirelessly to come to a deal that is fair for DISH, Nexstar, and most importantly, our subscribers, but Nexstar is only interested in increasing its own wealth," said Neylon. "We will not sit by and accept Nexstar's unreasonable demands. We will continue fighting on behalf of our customers to come to a deal that is beneficial for all."

Affected Stations

Nexstar Media Group's action affects viewers of various ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC stations in 120 markets across 42 states and the District of Columbia, as well as viewers of WGN America in all markets. For a full list of affected stations, click here.

DISH customers can visit DISHPromise.com or click here for the most updated information.

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Dembinskij76

Dec 20, 2020

It's frustrating to say the least that Directv figures it out sooner than Dish every time.

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Radioguy41

Dec 25, 2020

Dembinskij76 said:
It's frustrating to say the least that Directv figures it out sooner than Dish every time.

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Are you under the impression that DTV has the same level of concern for their customers costs as Dish? Or concern for their customers period? That certainly has not been their history. If they weren't looking to sucker someone into buying a minority share of the business I wouldn't be surprised if they would not have settled at all.

pattykay

Dec 25, 2020

All of the changes necessary to restore all of those Nexstar channels must have crashed James Long's uplink computer. The last update currently on his site is from 12/23/2020.

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Dembinskij76

Dec 25, 2020

Radioguy41 said:
Are you under the impression that DTV has the same level of concern for their customers costs as Dish? Or concern for their customers period? That certainly has not been their history. If they weren't looking to sucker someone into buying a minority share of the business I wouldn't be surprised if they would not have settled at all.

All I was saying it would be nice if Dish's blackouts were shorter like Directv. Dish still has yet to agree to bring back the Fox Sports Nets.

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pattykay

Dec 25, 2020

crodrules said:
All of the changes necessary to restore all of those Nexstar channels must have crashed James Long's uplink computer. The last update currently on his site is from 12/23/2020.

Uplink reports are working again. Does anyone have any clue what the heck was going on with channel 821 this morning? These changes occurred amidst all of the Nexstar-related uplinks:

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 NATVS CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 NATVS CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 INFO CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE (Limited) EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821 – DRM

Uplinks Removed
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

(Compiled from various uplink reports in the early morning hours, 12/25/2020.)

The interesting thing is that NATVS (which was apparently temporarily available) was the EPG indicator for NatureVision, when Dish still carried that as a streaming-only channel. I used to receive it in my International Basic subscription, until Dish dropped it. I am also pretty sure that I had been receiving CLAN on channel 821 as part of my Latino Bonus Pack subscription before all of these changes happened. Now, the end result of these changes is that I no longer even see channel 821 in my guide anymore, even though I still subscribe to both packages that used to include this channel. (these channels?)

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ChadT41

Dec 26, 2020

Dembinskij76 said:
All I was saying it would be nice if Dish's blackouts were shorter like Directv. Dish still has yet to agree to bring back the Fox Sports Nets.

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That's simple. Because they are not going to. The Bally sports channels don't generate enough business that even the streaming companies have dropped them.

pattykay

Dec 26, 2020

crodrules said:
Uplink reports are working again. Does anyone have any clue what the heck was going on with channel 821 this morning? These changes occurred amidst all of the Nexstar-related uplinks:

Someone from Dish must have read my post. A little over an hour after I posted this, another uplink happened, which restored my ability to receive channel 821:

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 12/25/20 at 11:08pm ET (v05) – 2 changes seen

uplink.jameslong.name

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 INFO CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

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Howard Simmons

Dec 26, 2020

crodrules said:
Uplink reports are working again. Does anyone have any clue what the heck was going on with channel 821 this morning? These changes occurred amidst all of the Nexstar-related uplinks:

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 NATVS CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 NATVS CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 INFO CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE (Limited) EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821 – DRM

Uplinks Removed
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

(Compiled from various uplink reports in the early morning hours, 12/25/2020.)

The interesting thing is that NATVS (which was apparently temporarily available) was the EPG indicator for NatureVision, when Dish still carried that as a streaming-only channel. I used to receive it in my International Basic subscription, until Dish dropped it. I am also pretty sure that I had been receiving CLAN on channel 821 as part of my Latino Bonus Pack subscription before all of these changes happened. Now, the end result of these changes is that I no longer even see channel 821 in my guide anymore, even though I still subscribe to both packages that used to include this channel. (these channels?)

I don't bother with them. I rely on you to decipher all the mumbo jumbo and post it on the Dish thread. (it's really because I don't understand it)

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Howard Simmons

Dec 26, 2020

crodrules said:
Someone from Dish must have read my post. A little over an hour after I posted this, another uplink happened, which restored my ability to receive channel 821:

Uplink Activity Updates » Blog Archive » 12/25/20 at 11:08pm ET (v05) – 2 changes seen

uplink.jameslong.name

New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
821 CLAN CLAN (Spanish) added to 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden) AVAILABLE EPG linked to 110° TP 9 Ch 821

Uplinks Removed
821 INFO CLAN (Spanish) removed from 72.7° TP 15 (SD MPEG4 Hidden)

No!!!!!!!

pattykay

Dec 26, 2020

Howard Simmons said:
No!!!!!!!

You wanted to see me continue to complain about missing it constantly?

Actually, I will be dropping Latino Bonus Pack tomorrow, so it is kind of a moot point anyway. It was just that Dish happened to take this channel away from me a couple of days early, before bringing it right back. The timing was also suspicious, since it happened at the exact same time as the Nexstar uplinks. So, I have to wonder if Nexstar owns this channel and/or if Dish thought that there was something in their brand-new contract that would prevent Dish from continuing to carry it, before they caught their mistake. If it is a Nexstar channel, the timing is especially weird, since this channel had just recently been added as a replacement channel when Cbeebies was lost. So, Dish reaches a deal with Nexstar to carry this channel, right before all of the other Nexstar channels get dropped, continues to carry this channel throughout that entire dispute, and then immediately drops it (although only temporarily) when they have a new deal with Nexstar to bring back all of the dropped channels??? Weird!

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:12 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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Direct YouTube Link - Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon
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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 2:50 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yesterday at 11:17 PM

Owner Of a Lonely Heart - Yes

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Today at 12:40 AM

Lonely Street - Kansas

dishstaller

Today at 12:46 AM

Lonely is the Night - Billy Squier

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Today at 1:41 AM

Lonely People - America

hwkn

Today at 2:50 AM

PEOPLE Are Strange-The Doors

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JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:03 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 11:12 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

AI Overview

College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]

- First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
- Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
- Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
- National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco

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dishstaller

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Yesterday at 10:29 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club