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Last reply Sep 7, 2005 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Voom to D* to E* II

Ok, got my install yesterday but it went half right and half wrong. Got a few more Q's as a result.

After several changes to my install, it landed as an 811 in main family room (Hi def Mit), a 510 in basement family room and 510 in top floor master bedroom. Problem was that the 811 was DOA out the box, so the installers pulled the 510 from the basement and set it up at the Hi-def Mit until the arrival of a working 811. Before leaving, the Installer whispered some reality in my ears and I again called E*. Now I"m down for a 942 at the Hi-def Mit and a 625 in the master bedroom. I'll have to wait a week for the 942, and I had to pony up 250, but according to the installer, it would be a better config for my home.

Q1: How is this going to effect my fees? Will I be paying less because I now only have two boxes as opposed to three? Or will I be paying more in fee because of the type of boxes they are? When they arrive to re-wire for the 942, should I have them make another upstairs bedroom active? (I understand the 625 can ALSO heat-up two rooms.)

Q2: What is PVR? Is it different from DVR or one in the same?

Q3: I'm noticing that one of the 510's are changing channels by itself. Is this a clue that something may be wrong with it also? Or is it a set-up problem? Should I dive into the manual or just wait for the 942, at which point I will no longer have any 510's.

I still have my voom dish and OTA on the roof. They've made it so that the OTA WILL feed a signal to my 942 when it arrives. But is there a cheaper alternative to seting up the voom dish to receive the 10 voom originals? E* once offered to set it up at no charge, but that promised got lost in the mix. If not, is it worth the 99 to modify the voom dish. (I've read in some threads that there's a slight chance that E* will make the voom channels available without the use of a second dish in the near future.)

Thanks agains guys-n-gals for your responses!

Eric

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40_oz

Sep 6, 2005

the 942/625 setup will save you $5/month because its 2 recievers not 3(as long as you connect to phone lines) tv2 on coax isnt usually a big deal as the tv2 is normally a lessor quality tv in a bedroom and you cant tell much(if any) of a difference.
The 942 is definitely superior to the 811. I think you will be a lot happier.
If you have the superdish, you will be better off paying the $99 for the upgrade than monkeying around for days and discovering it costs you more to diy. Those DP44's aint cheap switches.

as far as mysteriously changing channels...the installer more than likely did not change the remote port adress in one of your recievers since all 3 of them use UHF remotes.

ericpd

Sep 6, 2005

Yeah 40 ounce, someone else mentioned that up top. I read the directions on the little red flag attached to the UHF antenna and muddled my way through changing the address on that box. Hasn't happened since. I still have the headache left behind from trying to make sense out of those instructions, but I got it done.

$5? That's it,... just $5? Man I was figuring around 15. Guess I was using voodo math or something. LOL! I thought the dual boxes were fee'd out as single boxes if you kept them plugged into a phone line. AND I was told by E* CS that the DVR fee is waived for the 942. Again, guess I had it wrong!

Well I'm scheduled for the 14th AM. I'll have all the boxes disconnected and repacked for the installer. Oh yeah and BTW, will more wiring be required? I know they're gonna have to lay a cable from the Master bedroom to my son's room for the 625 and a cable from the main family area on the 1st floor to the basement family area for the 942. But after reading some other threads, I'm suspecting that they may have to do additional cables from the dish into the house.

I did hop on over to E-bay and did a search on that switch. And you're right, I saw one for $50. So If I'm hearing you guys right, I could get by with a cheaper switch if I had a LESSER dish (500), but I would be sacraficing my SD locals from dish. I'm not looking at them anyway, I'm doing my locals via OTA. Can the 625 handle OTA locals as well but just in SD format?

jergenf

Sep 7, 2005

ericpd said:
Oh yeah and BTW, will more wiring be required? I know they're gonna have to lay a cable from the Master bedroom to my son's room for the 625 and a cable from the main family area on the 1st floor to the basement family area for the 942. But after reading some other threads, I'm suspecting that they may have to do additional cables from the dish into the house.

I did hop on over to E-bay and did a search on that switch. And you're right, I saw one for $50. So If I'm hearing you guys right, I could get by with a cheaper switch if I had a LESSER dish (500), but I would be sacraficing my SD locals from dish. I'm not looking at them anyway, I'm doing my locals via OTA. Can the 625 handle OTA locals as well but just in SD format?

They will need to run 2 lines for the 942 and 2 lines for 625. However if you have the DPP44 switch you could have just 1 line to the 942 and another 1 line for the 625 but you would require 2 (1 each) dishpro separators for the 942 and 625.

Don't know if anyone mentioned this you'll need a TV antenna (outdoor preferred) for getting locals in HD. The ones from dish are just SD. This can save you $5-$6 on locals if you use an antenna but there are other limitations. For example the 625 only receives analog stations on TV1 and doesn't record OTA at all (also TV2 can't view OTA). The 942 gets digital/analog on TV1 but only records digital stations, includes HD (TV2 can only view prerecorded digital OTA programs at SD quality). No guide information provided if you don't subscribe to locals. If you want locals for all TVs with SD record capability and EPG info then you'll need to subscribe.

The DVR fees should be waived if you subscribe to the everything package. This is not the same fee as the additional receiver fee or the dual mode receiver fee for not having a phone line.

Here's the breakdown.
1st receiver (942) is $0 but additional receiver (625) is $5. This is a $5 saving from the 811 and two 510s.

Dual receiver charge $5 for 942 and $5 for 625 but can be waived if phone line connected to both receivers.

DVR fee $5 for 942 and $5 for 625 but waived if you have Everything Pak. (Note I think actual DVR charge is just 4.98 [moot point])

So the worse case scenario is $25 in additional fees.

ericpd

Sep 7, 2005

jergenf said:
They will need to run 2 lines for the 942 and 2 lines for 625. However if you have the DPP44 switch you could have just 1 line to the 942 and another 1 line for the 625 but you would require 2 (1 each) dishpro separators for the 942 and 625.

uhmmm! Maybe I'll get lucky and the 942/625 installer will opt to install the 44 switch to save himself from having to run more line! Yeah right, I should be so lucky.

jergenf said:
Don't know if anyone mentioned this you'll need a TV antenna (outdoor preferred) for getting locals in HD. The ones from dish are just SD. This can save you $5-$6 on locals if you use an antenna but there are other limitations. For example the 625 only receives analog stations on TV1 and doesn't record OTA at all (also TV2 can't view OTA). The 942 gets digital/analog on TV1 but only records digital stations, includes HD (TV2 can only view prerecorded digital OTA programs at SD quality). No guide information provided if you don't subscribe to locals. If you want locals for all TVs with SD record capability and EPG info then you'll need to subscribe.

I'm using the HD OTA antenna from my old voom days to take on HD local tasks. Since coming to this forum, I've learned that it WIL NOT pick up any SD locals. But if I'm not mistaken, E* is no longer charging for locals in the Everything pak. They've even done away with their AT60Plus pak from their web site, which is nothing but the AT60 pak with locals. Isn't it? At least I don't think I'm paying for it, the CS told me that my locals were included with my service and because I upgraded to the superdish. That upgrade was also free for new subs incidentally.

jergenf said:
The DVR fees should be waived if you subscribe to the everything package. This is not the same fee as the additional receiver fee or the dual mode receiver fee for not having a phone line.

Here's the breakdown.
1st receiver (942) is $0 but additional receiver (625) is $5. This is a $5 saving from the 811 and two 510s.

Dual receiver charge $5 for 942 and $5 for 625 but can be waived if phone line connected to both receivers.

DVR fee $5 for 942 and $5 for 625 but waived if you have Everything Pak. (Note I think actual DVR charge is just 4.98 [moot point])

So the worse case scenario is $25 in additional fees.

And best case is only $5. Ok, now I'm pretty straight on this fee ramp thing E* is throwing at everyone. It's beginning to make sense. Since I don't mind having a phone connect to the receivers, (at least I think I don't mind) AND I plan to allow the auto switch to the everything pak after the promo period has ended, AND after thinking about it I not THAT upset over coax video and L/R audio at the TV 2 locations, the 942/625 IS a more robust config. You guys make a whole lot-a sense. Thanks. So when the dust clears, I'm really heating up 4 rooms instead of three, with less fees ($5). Nice!

And if at a later time I decide to upgrade the basement family area with let's say a 510 Then I'm only talking a $10 (5 for receiver and 5 for DVR) increase in fees. I wouldn't need an 811 because I moved our 9 year old 57" SD toshiba down there, which used to be in the main family room where the new MIT now sits.

I tell you this, it's a pleasure when you spend time reading stuff coming from folks who know what da h*ll they're talkin' about! Thanks again.

jergenf

Sep 7, 2005

ericpd said:
uhmmm! Maybe I'll get lucky and the 942/625 installer will opt to install the 44 switch to save himself from having to run more line! Yeah right, I should be so lucky..

If your installation includes adding your Voom dish in the install then they should mount the DPP44 instead of the standard DP34 switch that comes with superdish. They must know that ahead of time and agree to it.

ericpd said:
But if I'm not mistaken, E* is no longer charging for locals in the Everything pak.

This is a trick question they're actually charging you for it. The new policy is all packages include locals unless the customer specifically asks not to have locals and in those cases it's $5 cheaper.

If you're getting the $32 new customer special promotion then locals are inclusive so having them removed won't change the price.

ericpd said:
And best case is only $5.

Correct.

ericpd said:
Ok, now I'm pretty straight on this fee ramp thing E* is throwing at everyone. It's beginning to make sense.

Actually the dual receiver fee never made much sense to me. They know you bought a 942 so why do you have to prove it every month. It not like you can separate it into two receivers and give one to a friend. I guess you could run a coax to your next door neighbor but how would they know that as long as the box resides in home with your phone line.

Also the DVR fee is just being charged because their competitors pass on the TIVO fees they pay for licensing. DN isn't charged any outside fees so they're just pocketing the money.

ericpd said:
I tell you this, it's a pleasure when you spend time reading stuff coming from folks who know what da h*ll they're talkin' about! Thanks again.

Your welcome.

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mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

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Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

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mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

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