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RG58 cable can be really pricey. Take for example this 1000-foot spool, which at over $3000 is a real price premium over a RG6 cable, which can generally be found at less than one-twentieth the price. RG58 cable is used for older industrial installations and can still be found in professional-grade cell booster installations. The traditional wisdom is that 50-ohm cable like RG58 is more compatible with sending voice and data signals through the house, while RG6 is better for video.
Unfortunately, while RG6 has enjoyed great success as part of pretty much every cable TV, satellite or TV antenna installation in the last 40 years or so, RG58 cable has stayed out at the margins. Even most consumer-level cell booster installs use RG6 cable now, which offers similar (if not quite as good) performance for relatively short runs. That leaves RG58 as an unpopular alternative, and that's the real reason it's so expensive. RG58 just doesn't get produced as often and so each spool carries a larger percentage of that "startup cost" that comes with manufacturing anything.
Plain and simple, if you're going to make ten million feet of RG6 (and the real number is probably ten times that) each foot only has to absorb a small part of the cost of getting the manufacturing line running. On the other hand, there's probably not a market for more than a few hundred thousand feet of RG58, so each foot is going to cost more.
What makes matters even worse is that converting from one cable type to another is expensive. You need special converters that step the impedance up or down, not just plain adapters. Not only that but the process creates so much loss that you'll usually want to put an amplifier in line to deal with it. Yes, it's a pain but you're better off just using what you need in the first place.
If you're looking at a complete re-wire job, it's a perfect time to pull out the RG58 and put in RG6, even if that means changing cell boosters. Cell boosters that use RG58 cable are intended for real industrial use and that makes them expensive too. Sooner or later you'll be glad you moved to a booster that uses easy-to-get low priced RG6 cable.
There's another option if you want to stay with 50 Ohm cable. Most new small to medium sized installations don't use RG58 cable. Instead they use LMR400 cable. It's still generally more expensive than RG6 cable, but it's often about one quarter of the price of RG58 cable. It has excellent loss characteristics and is available in pre-made lengths. One of those is probably going to be perfect for your installation. Consider that RG6 compression tools don't generally work for the N connectors used on 50-ohm cables. When you think of it that way, premade cables might just be the way to go for you.
When you do shop for cable, of course I certainly would appreciate if you would take a look at SolidSignal.com. Solid Signal has all the installation accessories you need for any size job. We also have expert consultants on hand to help you plan that large project. We know some projects are a little too large for you to handle on your own. In those cases we can even recommend an installation pro in your area.
If you need personalized assistance, call us! We're here during East Coast business hours at 888-233-7563. If it's after hours, no problem! Fill out the form below. We'll get right back to you!
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RG58 just isn't that common
Unfortunately, while RG6 has enjoyed great success as part of pretty much every cable TV, satellite or TV antenna installation in the last 40 years or so, RG58 cable has stayed out at the margins. Even most consumer-level cell booster installs use RG6 cable now, which offers similar (if not quite as good) performance for relatively short runs. That leaves RG58 as an unpopular alternative, and that's the real reason it's so expensive. RG58 just doesn't get produced as often and so each spool carries a larger percentage of that "startup cost" that comes with manufacturing anything.
Plain and simple, if you're going to make ten million feet of RG6 (and the real number is probably ten times that) each foot only has to absorb a small part of the cost of getting the manufacturing line running. On the other hand, there's probably not a market for more than a few hundred thousand feet of RG58, so each foot is going to cost more.
What makes matters even worse is that converting from one cable type to another is expensive. You need special converters that step the impedance up or down, not just plain adapters. Not only that but the process creates so much loss that you'll usually want to put an amplifier in line to deal with it. Yes, it's a pain but you're better off just using what you need in the first place.
Options for replacing RG58 cable
If you're looking at a complete re-wire job, it's a perfect time to pull out the RG58 and put in RG6, even if that means changing cell boosters. Cell boosters that use RG58 cable are intended for real industrial use and that makes them expensive too. Sooner or later you'll be glad you moved to a booster that uses easy-to-get low priced RG6 cable.
There's another option if you want to stay with 50 Ohm cable. Most new small to medium sized installations don't use RG58 cable. Instead they use LMR400 cable. It's still generally more expensive than RG6 cable, but it's often about one quarter of the price of RG58 cable. It has excellent loss characteristics and is available in pre-made lengths. One of those is probably going to be perfect for your installation. Consider that RG6 compression tools don't generally work for the N connectors used on 50-ohm cables. When you think of it that way, premade cables might just be the way to go for you.
Shop for the cables you need at Solid Signal
When you do shop for cable, of course I certainly would appreciate if you would take a look at SolidSignal.com. Solid Signal has all the installation accessories you need for any size job. We also have expert consultants on hand to help you plan that large project. We know some projects are a little too large for you to handle on your own. In those cases we can even recommend an installation pro in your area.
If you need personalized assistance, call us! We're here during East Coast business hours at 888-233-7563. If it's after hours, no problem! Fill out the form below. We'll get right back to you!
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. 
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Patrick Stewart, ‘Star Trek’ Captain and ‘X-Men’ Superhero, Dies at 86
He’s forever known for playing Jean-Luc Picard and Charles Xavier, whom he “admired for their morality, for their kindness, for their sensitivity, for their compassion.”
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Good...simple humor. Enjoy
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
Actually it looks like there are a lot of features new or updated, although most are on a gradual rollout schedule.
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KB5127936 Windows 11 Cumulative Update Preview build 26200.9818 (25H2) and 26300.9818 (26H2) - Oct. 28
Microsoft Support: This cumulative update for Windows 11, versions 26H2 and 25H2 (KB5127936), includes production-quality improvements. Announcements and messages This section provides key notifications related to this release, including announcements, change logs, and end-of-support notices...
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York
Group has secured lower pricing from key tech players to make less costly boxes available
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It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
That would be handy. Download the latest RNA snippets that can be updated over 5G and no more shots! You're a Genius!Cough, cough. COVID vaccine implants.
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. 
Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.
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Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.
Nearly 3 In 10 New-Car Trade-Ins Are Underwater, Edmunds Finds<!-- --> | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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