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cablewithaview
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Baseball may be a game of wins and losses, strikeouts and double plays.

But it also is a game of dollars and cents, with television being the big dog driving home the important runs.

That is one reason the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox rank as the two most valuable teams in Major League Baseball.

The American League rivals own big stakes in the regional sports networks that carry the bulk of their games and annually generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for each team.

The Red Sox, under former owners, helped pioneer the idea of a professional sports team owning a cable TV operation with the founding of the New England Sports Network. The Yankees refined the model with the establishment of the Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network, whose operations are based in Stamford and which, by some estimates, is worth more than $1 billion.

The Yankees and Red Sox could be viewed as media companies masquerading as professional baseball teams.

The money the networks pump into the teams is one reason the Red Sox and Yankees can pay for top baseball talent and finish at or near the top of the standings year after year. Structured properly, the cable operations are a way to shield earnings from baseball's revenue-sharing system.

The success of NESN and YES has other teams looking to emulate these models. The Baltimore Orioles and Major League Baseball established a new network this year that initially carried Washington Nationals games, and the New York Mets teamed with two cable heavyweights -- Comcast Corp. and Stamford-based Time Warner Cable -- to start their own next season.

In Chicago, the White Sox and Cubs joined with Comcast Corp. and hockey's Blackhawks and basketball's Bulls last year to form Comcast SportsNet Chicago.

"There are obviously major benefits from a team having an interest in a regional sports network," said Tracy Dolgin, president and chief executive officer of YES.

A network is a great platform for promoting the team, Dolgin said, but there are risks, given high startup costs and the danger of prolonged losing spells.

"You're increasing your bet on the team," he said.

Traditionally, sports teams sold the rights to television games to the highest bidder and left the production work to somebody else.

Dolgin said he would be surprised if more than a quarter of Major League teams come to own regional sports networks. "Unless you're in a really big market with a powerhouse team and brand, it's a hard risk to take."

Said sports television consultant Lee Berke: "Every team is going to look at it. Not every team is going to do it."

Betsy Goff, a former ESPN executive who teaches in the University of Massachusetts sports management program, sees NESN and YES at the forefront of an evolution in sports and advertising.

"I think these guys are breaking ground in a significant way, but again I have to emphasize, these guys can afford it," Goff said.

Forbes magazine, which annually estimates the value of professional sports franchises, in the spring ranked the Yankees first at $950 million and the Red Sox second at $563 million.

Established in 1984, NESN started out as a premium channel for which subscribers had to pay extra. The original owners included the Red Sox, the Boston Bruins hockey team and Channel 38, the Boston television station that at the time broadcast most Red Sox games.

Over the years, the number of games that could be received for free over the airwaves decreased, while the number on NESN increased.

Eventually, the Red Sox and Bruins bought out Channel 38, which now only carries Friday night games in the Boston area. This season, NESN televised 122 games in Greater Boston and 150 in most of New England.

When the Yawkey Trust sold the Red Sox for a record $700 million in 2002, many outside observers concluded it was NESN that accounted for a big part of the price tag.

The buyers, led by principal owner and former Westport-based hedge fund manager John Henry, included two partners with media ties, television producer Thomas Werner and the New York Times Co., owner of the Boston Globe newspaper.

The interest in NESN could also be seen in the cable television ties of two other Red Sox bidders -- Charles Dolan, founder of the New York-area cable provider Cablevision Systems Corp., and a group that included Comcast, now the nation's largest cable television provider.

Under the Henry ownership group, Werner serves as chairman of NESN, while the Globe uses NESN to showcase its sports writers and promote the newspaper.

Werner and NESN president Sean McGrail declined to be interviewed for this story.

According to New York Times Co. disclosures to investors, New England Sports Ventures -- the Red Sox parent organization -- owns 80 percent of NESN. The Boston Bruins control the remaining 20 percent.

The New York Times Co., in turn, owns 17 percent of New England Sports Ventures.

A big reason the new Sox owners placed so much value on NESN was a change in its subscriber model.

As a premium channel, cable customers had to pay $11 a month extra to receive NESN, which had about 1.2 million paying customers before 2001.

But NESN persuaded cable operators to carry the network as part of their expanded basic cable lineups beginning in 2001.

For dedicated Sox and Bruins fans that was a bargain, as the monthly cost dropped substantially and was wrapped into the expanded basic package.

But for nonfans it meant paying for a network they did not watch.

When the switch was made, NESN charged cable systems about $1.40 a month per subscriber, a cost it passes on to customers.

The switch from premium to expanded basic cable tripled NESN's subscriber base. That allowed it to collect extra subscription revenue and charge advertisers more.

Now, NESN's subscriber base in New England tops 3.8 million, and ratings are higher than ever after last year's World Series victory.

NESN does not disclose any information about its finances, but according to Kagan Research in Monterey, Calif., NESN last year generated $104.6 million in revenue, with $78.8 million from subscribers and $25.9 million from advertising.

On average, NESN last year charged cable systems $1.80 a month per subscriber to carry the sports network, Kagan reported.

Smith College sports economist Andrew Zimbalist -- author of "May the Best Team Win: Baseball Economics and Public Policy" -- estimated that in 2001 NESN made $14 million on $50 million in revenue, representing a healthy 28 percent profit margin.

The Red Sox share of that profit -- $11.2 million -- would have been shielded from Major League Baseball's revenue-sharing system, Zimbalist said.

He estimated the premium-to-expanded basic switch had meant an extra $11 million in NESN revenue in 2001.

"They realized early on you had a great opportunity to eliminate the middlemen, to tap into two revenue streams, both advertising and subscriber revenue and create your own standalone assets," said Berke, president of LHB Sports, Entertainment & Media Inc., in Scarsdale, N.Y.

The YES Network, whose studio programs are produced and distributed at the Ascent Media facility in Stamford, taps into similar revenue streams.

Last year, YES took in $227 million in revenue, Kagan said. That includes $188.5 million in subscriptions and $38.5 million in advertising revenue.

The average monthly subscriber charge for YES last year was $2.10, Kagan said.

The ability of Yankees owner George Steinbrenner and his YES partners to collect that $2.10 a month from more than 10 million households in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania did not happen without a fight.

Launched in 2002, YES operated for its first year with a big hole in its core market. Nearly 3 million New Yorkers could not watch Yankees games during the 2002 season when the area's largest cable operator, Cablevision, refused to carry the YES Network.

Cablevision owns a rival regional cable sports channel -- the MSG Network -- that had carried Yankees games and now faced competing with YES.

It argued that its customers should not be forced to pay for YES as part of a basic cable package, while YES accused Cablevision of anti-competitive behavior.

The dispute was finally resolved last year when an arbitrator ruled in favor of YES.

The owners of YES include Steinbrenner's Yankee Global Enterprises LLC, the investment bank Goldman Sachs and Providence Equity Partners, the Providence, R.I.-based private equity firm that invests in media and communications companies.

Based on the $340 million Goldman Sachs paid for its 40 percent stake in YES, the network at launch was valued at $850 million. Berke and others estimate it is now worth more than $1 billion.

As a result of the YES success, many teams are looking at creating regional sports networks, said Berke, who advises professional sports teams looking to break into the television business.

Once a team is done building a new stadium, television remains one of the few avenues for boosting a team's value, he said.

Dolgin, a former Fox Sports Net president hired a year ago to run YES, said the passionate fan bases enjoyed by the Yankees and the Red Sox are critical to the success of their cable networks.

"You go to other markets, and it's just not this way," he said.

YES has elevated the Yankees' image in the New York area and operates with a pinstripes point of view, Dolgin said.

"It's clear we're happy when they win and sad when they lose," he said. "We want fans to know we care as much as they do about winning."

In addition to Yankees games, YES carries New Jersey Nets basketball games and other programming including the "Ultimate Road Trip," a reality series featuring Yankees fans who attend all 162 Yankee games this season.

"The real mark of success is to create successful programming outside the games," Dolgin said.

That success must include attracting advertisers to the nongame programming.

The Ultimate Road Trip places sponsors' products into the show.

NESN's nonbaseball programming includes the Bruins, "Stories from Red Sox Nation," and a popular fishing program, "Charlie Moore Outdoors."

With its New York advantage, YES is the most-watched regional sports network in the country.

It recorded its highest ratings ever when the Yankees and Red Sox faced off on opening day this year.

"Both teams actually help each other's television business," Dolgin said.

Berke worked on the business plan that led to the formation of YES and is not surprised by its success.

Recalling his work for YES, he said, "You could see the money cascading out of the computer screen."

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cablewithaview
mdonnelly said:
Now how hard was that?

LOL, I just love messing with people. :D
plus you didn't have to be that ugly. :wtf:
mdonnelly
Thanks for deleting your offensive post. :) Now just delete the first post too.
cablewithaview
Why? Posting stuff like this helps make this forum informative along with being able to discuss several topics in general.
K
keep it nice guys.

the reason why people like to have the link in the post is so that the original writer can receive credit for his work.

we went through this before a couple months back with other forums. to make it easy, the story can be copied and pasted and then the link can be at the bottom of the post. if the original website moves the story, there is nothing we can do.
cablewithaview
once in a blue moon, I do run across something that I can't list the source. ie inside memo or technical info, etc. that's not a public access site that requires registration and password. but I went ahead and deleted the rest of the postings that didn't relate to this post.
TheRatPatrol
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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KAB
KAB
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
Jimbo
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
Teased Meeting ?
dfergie
I didn't recognize him till I saw this... (William Katt)

View: https://youtu.be/n9S3F87A588?si=tU_YQX6h3vDmrGEf

Good episode.
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dfergie
Good one, Katrina Law's daughter played the little girl.
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Jimbo
Good one, Katrina Law's daughter played the little girl.
I enjoyed it, Katrina's daughter is a cutie and possibly a natural in the acting side of things ... at least at the moment.

From listening to interviews, her little girl had a lot to do with the story line.
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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dishstaller
Man On the Silver Mountain - Rainbow
EatMyVolts
Theme For An Imaginary Western - - Mountain
long_time_Dish
On The Western Skyline - Bruce Hornsby
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SKYLINE Pigeon -Elton John
ClarkGable
Big Bad John - Jimmy Dean
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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JSheridan
AT&T runs First Net which was set up so first responders have a signal almost everywhere, which is the case around here and up and down the east coast when I've been traveling. In my experience T-Mobile has the fastest network but patchy coverage while Verizon has a slow network and also patchy coverage as well. We also have a iPhone on T-Mobile and one on Mobile-X which uses the Verizon network, so comparison is easy.
EarDemon
AT&T runs First Net which was set up so first responders have a signal almost everywhere, which is the case around here and up and down the east coast when I've been traveling. In my experience T-Mobile has the fastest network but patchy coverage while Verizon has a slow network and also patchy coverage as well. We also have a iPhone on T-Mobile and one on Mobile-X which uses the Verizon network, so comparison is easy.
I did a 2500 mile round trip road trip a few weeks ago, there were a handful of places where Verizon had service and I had nothing on FirstNet. Most notably in the backwoods of Kentucky and Tennessee. Those same places I had no service on T-Mobile either. In populated areas, like the Lexington metro and Knoxville metro AT&T not only had great coverage, better than Verizon and T-Mobile generally, they have n77 everywhere. I hit 1.2 Gbps or higher pretty much everywhere, beating out the other two. That is the exact opposite here back in Western NY. Very little n77 on AT&T here and T-Mobile always rockets to 1.5 Gbps or higher.

As far as I know, there is no AT&T tower in my town. The tower I connect to when I'm outside, no service indoors, is one about 4.5 miles north of me in a different town, I can barley latch on to band 12, not 14. It's LTE only but when near that tower I exceed 200 Mbps which is phenomenal for low band LTE, but T-Mobile and Verizon have mid band on the same tower, and i'm well over a gig.

I'm looking forward to the n14 conversion and deployment of n79/4.9 GHz. Since AT&T can't sell their home internet service in NY State, I don't expect big things from them besides the enhancements to FirstNet.
JSheridan
... Since AT&T can't sell their home internet service in NY State, I don't expect big things from them besides the enhancements to FirstNet.
We're in NY and we can now. We're an AT&T retailer and have been selling AT&T Internet Air for a few months. It's $35 a month if you're an AT&T post paid subscriber, $55 a month if you're not a subscriber.
Almighty1
We're in NY and we can now. We're an AT&T retailer and have been selling AT&T Internet Air for a few months. It's $35 a month if you're an AT&T post paid subscriber, $55 a month if you're not a subscriber.
The AT&T Internet that everyone has access to is AT&T WorldNet aka att.com which is the same backbone created in 1994 that is a joke. AT&T has 3 Internet tier 1 backbones. AT&T Global Network Services formerly IBM Global Network Services (prserv.net) and AT&T Emerging Network Services, formerly (CERFNet (California Educational and Research Foundation Network) that was part of NSFNet (National Science Foundation Network). AT&T WorldNet has always been a inferior and not the same quality as the other two which are highly respected.
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comfortably_numb
The AT&T Internet that everyone has access to is AT&T WorldNet aka att.com which is the same backbone created in 1994 that is a joke

JSheridan is referring to ATT's (relatively) new 5G cellular home internet.
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Almighty1
JSheridan is referring to ATT's (relatively) new 5G cellular home internet.
I know, that still will use AT&T's 1996 created backbone better known as AS 7018 which is the lower end. The other two are higher end under AS2685 & AS2686 & AS1740 & AS1838.
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Juan
JSheridan is referring to ATT's (relatively) new 5G cellular home internet.
Which connects to a backbone network
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comfortably_numb
Which connects to a backbone network

Fun fact.. the backhaul to the tower in Drexel, MO for both VZW and ATT is provided by CenturyLink
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BlackHitachi
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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meStevo
Wild Horse Nine was fantastic.
dishstaller
Wild Horse Nine was fantastic.
Might have to check that out. Google describes it as a "dark comedy thriller".
long_time_Dish
Last night...

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osu1991
Veterans Day and business closed, so movie day and some tv on the patio. Watched several Chewed Up episodes on YouTube out on the patio until lunch time then came inside for the surround and movies.

Raise The Titanic (1980). Great musical score by John Barry of James Bond music fame.


View: https://youtu.be/KqWnM2xZ0gw?is=STWbRqNWrSZ1-z6-


Glenn Miller Story (1954). Great music


View: https://youtu.be/sMa-T71Az68?is=4YG3SQfWBjOG5305
Foxbat
After "VisionQuest" was over, I watched "Avengers: Infinity War" last night and "Avengers: Endgame" tonight.
osu1991
Xmas movies today. 😁. Die Hard and Die Hard 2