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In most major cities in the United States, the future of radio is already on the air. But hardly anyone is listening.

The problem is, hardly anyone can. More than 570 stations around the county are now broadcasting in the new digital radio format, but only a relative handful of actual digital radio receivers have been sold, or are even available to consumers who want to buy them.

With competitive pressures growing from satellite radio and the iPod, radio companies had hoped that this year's shopping season would finally see a significant number of high definition radios hitting the market. But several major manufacturers have pushed back releases until 2006, likely dooming these hopes.

"We are seeing a month or two slippage, which is not uncommon with new technologies," said Robert Struble, chief executive officer of Ibiquity, the company that created the standard HD radio technology. "But we're talking about a fundamental change to radio, not just about one shopping season. It's better to get something out right."

The release of digital radio is widely viewed inside the broadcast radio industry as a critical response to other digital technologies, which are capturing a growing share of radio listeners' attention.

The defection of key radio personalities such as Howard Stern to satellite radio over the past year has focused broadcasters' attention on the competitive threat. The number of stations broadcasting in the new HD radio digital format, about 100 at the beginning of the year, is expected to reach 600 by the end of 2005.

That still leaves a long way to go to reach the 13,000 total stations in the country, but all the big chains have committed to transitioning most of their stations over the next two years. Backers note that 60 percent of the country's citizens already live within range of an HD signal.

"HD Radio is vital to the future of radio broadcasting," said Caroline Beasely, chief financial officer for the Beasely Broadcast Group, a company with 41 stations around the country. "It will keep radio relevant, and you can't overstate how important that is to our medium."

The technology essentially does for AM and FM radio what digital, high-definition television does for TV. The quality of the broadcast goes up substantially, eliminating static and providing near-CD quality richness of sound.

The Ibiquity-produced HD Radio technology standard also allows stations to broadcast at least two audio streams over the air, as well as several data feeds such as news headlines or traffic reports, over the same space ordinarily used for one traditional radio broadcast.

About 40 stations around the country are already using this "multicast" facility, often to supplement their existing music station with another stream of up-and-coming artists, or a related genre.

But on the street, that progress is less apparent.

Jack Chew, sales manager at Bay City Stereo in San Francisco, says he isn't selling any HD units yet and few people--"maybe one in 200," he said--are even asking about the technology. His company has been told by manufacturers that products will mostly be pushed back until next year, he said.

Building as fast as they can
The urgency in the broadcast world has drawn response from device manufacturers, but the process has been slower then radio stations would have liked.

Most of the major car stereo makers have said they would produce HD receivers, and some of these have just begun to show up as options in high-end cars. BMW--typically among the earliest of auto adopters--announced only this week that its new 2006 model year 7 and 6 series cars can now be ordered with a $500 HD Radio option.

A handful of high-end manufacturers, including Boston Acoustics, Polk Audio and Radiosophy have announced tabletop or other home receivers as well. Several of these companies are finding that production difficulties associated with a brand-new technology--some cite software interoperability glitches, while others note difficulty in obtaining components from China, for example--are pushing back widespread release of receivers to the retail market until 2006.

Polk Audio says its HD Radio devices, which will also play DVDs, will reach the market in March. Radiosophy CEO Richard Skeie said his company will have some product on the market by December, but only existing orders will be filled this year.

"We don't want HD to fall on its face because we rushed it," Skeie said. "We're all making sure that we don't have to take a step backwards when we ship. We're feeling as much pain as (broadcasters) are."

A Boston Acoustics spokeswoman said her company's high-end device would reach retail shelves, and be available for radio station giveaways, by Thanksgiving.

Analysts say the technology is stuck in a classic "chicken or the egg" dilemma. Radio stations need the technology to compete with their new rivals, but they want to make sure listeners will be there before investing large amounts of money. Listeners, meanwhile, are barely aware of the technology and are unlikely to buy new high-end devices without large amounts of available content.

The high cost of HD radios--$269 for Radiosophy's desktop player, and $499 for Boston Acoustics' radio--is also likely to keep most listeners away from the medium for a few years, until production costs can be lowered, analysts say.

The Gartner research firm predicts that about 1 million people will be listening to HD Radio by the end of 2006, rising to about 10 million by 2009. The firm said that about 92,000 HD receivers would be in the market by the end of this year.

In a sobering note for broadcasters, the research group also predicts that satellite radio will have more than 26 million subscribers at the end of that same time frame.

"In terms of getting a signal out there, a lot of stations have now done that," said Gartner analyst Laura Behrens. "Unless you can give them radios to put in people's hands, they have done what they can do."

Radio giants say they aren't worried about satellite in the long term, however.

"Satellite is targeting a narrow niche market," said Dave Robbins, director of digital programming for the Infinity radio chain. "There will always be a place for people who want to pay for radio, but for the most part the free FM option is the way that listeners want to go, as long as it is digital quality."

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underlord2
The Radios are way too expensive for my tastes yet.
reddice
Just like HDTV. Too expensive and because of it, it will flop.
charper1
Its also bound by the same OTA AM/FM FCC rules and advertiser supported political correctness (in most cases its just a simulcast of the station's regular programming). THAT is what is killing them MORE than cost which is high. Didn't anyone learn when AM stereo flopped (failed mass appeal)?
rkrenicki
reddice said:
Just like HDTV. Too expensive and because of it, it will flop.

Are you saying that HDTV has or will flop? It does not look to have done that thusfar....

I think that its too little-too late.. XM and Sirius have been playing the game for years now.. FM just really cant compete with this, because its still range limited.

I personally switched to Sirius a little over a year ago, because my local hard rock station up and changed to talk radio one day.. it was the last straw. All of my radio stations are now either sports talk, or rap.. so Sirius now has me forever...

The big thing about sirius isnt the fact that its digital.. its the fact that i can go anywhere in the states and listen to the same station.. and I have the massive selection that is Satellite radio.. HD Radio just does not have this.. Wideband FM was fine when it delivered what I wanted.. making it digital is just a waste of time, as the content and range is the same.
pro96
ultatryon said:
Are you saying that HDTV has or will flop? It does not look to have done that thusfar....

I think that its too little-too late.. XM and Sirius have been playing the game for years now.. FM just really cant compete with this, because its still range limited.

I personally switched to Sirius a little over a year ago, because my local hard rock station up and changed to talk radio one day.. it was the last straw. All of my radio stations are now either sports talk, or rap.. so Sirius now has me forever...

The big thing about sirius isnt the fact that its digital.. its the fact that i can go anywhere in the states and listen to the same station.. and I have the massive selection that is Satellite radio.. HD Radio just does not have this.. Wideband FM was fine when it delivered what I wanted.. making it digital is just a waste of time, as the content and range is the same.


Amen for Sirius, which I have in all my 4 cars. Once you go Sirius, you will never go AM/FM again. :cool:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Foxbat
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
S
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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navychop
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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navychop
Will do!
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Howard Simmons
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.