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riffjim4069
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Last reply · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers
Despite changes to the federal cable franchise law in 1992, Virginians still have not received the benefit of head-to-head cable video competition. By comparison, competition in telephone has progressed significantly with many consumers having multiple providers from which to choose. Unfortunately, the 1992 Cable Act essentially left the cable monopoly system unchanged. Virginia's Cable Competition Act of 2006 proposes common sense reforms to remove barriers to entry that have left consumers without a choice of cable providers. These changes will provide more choices for consumers and are consistent with the state constitution, comply with applicable federal law, provide consumer protections, and encourage fair competition.

THE CABLE COMPETITION ACT WILL:

  • BRING COMPETITION AND CONSUMER BENEFITS
  • No real cable competition means higher prices for consumers
  • Cable rates continue to skyrocket, unrestrained by competition
  • National studies show cable rates are 15% lower in areas where wired cable competition exists

  • SPEED-UP A SLOW PROCESS
  • Current system requires video providers to negotiate separate franchises with every county, city, and town on a case-by-case basis
  • Negotiations are expensive for all parties and can drag out for many months and even years
  • Cable companies use the current Virginia law to threaten litigation and slow the process

  • ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO ENTRY
  • The current lack of competition proves existing rules are a barrier to entry
  • New entrants have to fight for each new customer; incumbent cable providers maintain a significant market advantage since they already have established customers --- build-out requirements only protect that advantage
  • Build-out requirements will stifle competition and hurt consumers

  • PROMOTE A HEALTHY, FAIR AND FREE MARKET
  • Cable industry entered the telecommunications market without any barriers to entry and have openly competed for telephone customers since 1996
  • Build-out requirements were expressly prohibited in the telecommunications market as a barrier to entry and robust competition now exists
  • Exclusive cable franchises were eliminated in 1992 but little competition exists
  • Let market competition work the same way for cable customers as it has worked for phone customers

Why do we need to change a law that already seems to permit competition with cable companies?

The current cable law has failed to bring competition and choice to consumers. Consumers want to have the kind of choice in cable service providers that many customers already enjoy in choosing telephone providers. The barriers to entry need to be eliminated to encourage competition. For example, the law requires that new entrants into video markets must operate under rules "no less burdensome or more favorable" than the incumbent. While that provision may seem harmless on its face, the reality is that it is being used to erect barriers to entry. Similar barriers do not exist in the telephone industry and if they did there would be little competition. The telephone law recognizes that a new entrant must compete for every customer, while incumbents have the advantage of customers that were virtually guaranteed when they invested. We need that same recognition in cable law so that competition can flourish. The market and technology have changed, the rules must also change.​

What do you do about existing cable franchise agreements? Would this create an unfair disadvantage to existing cable operators?

The Virginia Constitution may not allow legislation to override existing franchises. For that reason, this legislation leaves intact existing franchises and requires the locality to enact ordinances to impose all the appropriate franchise requirements on the new entrant. Neither local governments nor incumbent cable companies are disadvantaged or harmed financially.​

Should new entrants be required to "build-out" in every locality to meet the density requirements contained in many franchise agreements?
Build-out requirements were appropriate when cable companies were receiving exclusive rights to an entire market - that is not the case for new entrants. Requiring build-out to existing levels is nothing more that a way to stall competition by setting an extremely high bar for initial capital investment. Build-out requirements will also mean that only localities that are densely populated are likely to attract competitors. In addition, build-out requirements virtually guarantee that no start-up or small company will ever be able to participate in the video service markets because of the high capital requirements.​

Hasn't Verizon been successful in obtaining local franchise agreements under the current system?
After a year of negotiations, Verizon was able to successfully obtain a franchise in the Town of Herndon in July. A few other localities may approve franchises with Verizon this year. Unfortunately, the process can be frustratingly slow and must be repeated for each locality in which competitors want to offer service. At this rate, consumers could be denied real choice for years. The current system is just not designed for promoting competition and inviting investment; it is designed to protect the incumbent.​

Isn't there federal legislation pending that could pre-empt this legislation?
Federal legislation has been filed to create a national system for video service. However, the federal process is slow and uncertain. There is no guarantee that federal legislation will ever pass. Other states aren't waiting. Recognizing that capital investment will flow to states providing the easiest entry into cable markets, Texas passed a statewide franchise law that goes much further that the Virginia proposal. The proposed change in Virginia law will attract investment and provide immediate relief to the many Virginians who lack competition for cable television services and are held captive by cable's frequent price increases.​
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gmiller5028 said:
let's hope it passes - this will be great news for FIOS TV in VA.
And don't forget about the little guys like Cavalier TV who are rolling out IPTV in the Richmond area...the have plans to server various areas in the Mid-Atlantic. Choice is good!:)
riffjim4069
Just an updated:

HB1404H1 passed committee on 31 Jan (20-Y, 0-N) and full House on 6 Feb (85-Y, 12-N, 2-A)

SB706S1 passed committee on 30 Jan (14-Y, 0-N, 1-A) and full Senate on 6 Feb (37-Y, 1-N, 2-A)
riffjim4069
Just an update:

SB706 with substitutes passed the House Commerce and Labor Committee 21-0 on 2/21/2006.

HB1404 with substitutes pass the Senate Commerce and Labor Committee 14-0-1 on 2/20/2006.
riffjim4069
I just got word that Governor Kaine will sign the legislation into law tomorrow. However, he will not be doing the ceremonial "hoopla" that we had hoped. He will simply sign it with the legislators who sponsored the bill.
dishcomm
riffjim4069 said:
Despite changes to the federal cable franchise law in 1992, Virginians still have not received the benefit of head-to-head cable video competition. By comparison, competition in telephone has progressed significantly with many consumers having multiple providers from which to choose. Unfortunately, the 1992 Cable Act essentially left the cable monopoly system unchanged. Virginia's Cable Competition Act of 2006 proposes common sense reforms to remove barriers to entry that have left consumers without a choice of cable providers. These changes will provide more choices for consumers and are consistent with the state constitution, comply with applicable federal law, provide consumer protections, and encourage fair competition.

THE CABLE COMPETITION ACT WILL:

  • BRING COMPETITION AND CONSUMER BENEFITS
  • No real cable competition means higher prices for consumers
  • Cable rates continue to skyrocket, unrestrained by competition
  • National studies show cable rates are 15% lower in areas where wired cable competition exists

  • SPEED-UP A SLOW PROCESS
  • Current system requires video providers to negotiate separate franchises with every county, city, and town on a case-by-case basis
  • Negotiations are expensive for all parties and can drag out for many months and even years
  • Cable companies use the current Virginia law to threaten litigation and slow the process

  • ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO ENTRY
  • The current lack of competition proves existing rules are a barrier to entry
  • New entrants have to fight for each new customer; incumbent cable providers maintain a significant market advantage since they already have established customers --- build-out requirements only protect that advantage
  • Build-out requirements will stifle competition and hurt consumers

  • PROMOTE A HEALTHY, FAIR AND FREE MARKET
  • Cable industry entered the telecommunications market without any barriers to entry and have openly competed for telephone customers since 1996
  • Build-out requirements were expressly prohibited in the telecommunications market as a barrier to entry and robust competition now exists
  • Exclusive cable franchises were eliminated in 1992 but little competition exists
  • Let market competition work the same way for cable customers as it has worked for phone customers

Why do we need to change a law that already seems to permit competition with cable companies?

The current cable law has failed to bring competition and choice to consumers. Consumers want to have the kind of choice in cable service providers that many customers already enjoy in choosing telephone providers. The barriers to entry need to be eliminated to encourage competition. For example, the law requires that new entrants into video markets must operate under rules "no less burdensome or more favorable" than the incumbent. While that provision may seem harmless on its face, the reality is that it is being used to erect barriers to entry. Similar barriers do not exist in the telephone industry and if they did there would be little competition. The telephone law recognizes that a new entrant must compete for every customer, while incumbents have the advantage of customers that were virtually guaranteed when they invested. We need that same recognition in cable law so that competition can flourish. The market and technology have changed, the rules must also change.​

What do you do about existing cable franchise agreements? Would this create an unfair disadvantage to existing cable operators?

The Virginia Constitution may not allow legislation to override existing franchises. For that reason, this legislation leaves intact existing franchises and requires the locality to enact ordinances to impose all the appropriate franchise requirements on the new entrant. Neither local governments nor incumbent cable companies are disadvantaged or harmed financially.​

Should new entrants be required to "build-out" in every locality to meet the density requirements contained in many franchise agreements?
Build-out requirements were appropriate when cable companies were receiving exclusive rights to an entire market - that is not the case for new entrants. Requiring build-out to existing levels is nothing more that a way to stall competition by setting an extremely high bar for initial capital investment. Build-out requirements will also mean that only localities that are densely populated are likely to attract competitors. In addition, build-out requirements virtually guarantee that no start-up or small company will ever be able to participate in the video service markets because of the high capital requirements.​

Hasn't Verizon been successful in obtaining local franchise agreements under the current system?
After a year of negotiations, Verizon was able to successfully obtain a franchise in the Town of Herndon in July. A few other localities may approve franchises with Verizon this year. Unfortunately, the process can be frustratingly slow and must be repeated for each locality in which competitors want to offer service. At this rate, consumers could be denied real choice for years. The current system is just not designed for promoting competition and inviting investment; it is designed to protect the incumbent.​

Isn't there federal legislation pending that could pre-empt this legislation?
Federal legislation has been filed to create a national system for video service. However, the federal process is slow and uncertain. There is no guarantee that federal legislation will ever pass. Other states aren't waiting. Recognizing that capital investment will flow to states providing the easiest entry into cable markets, Texas passed a statewide franchise law that goes much further that the Virginia proposal. The proposed change in Virginia law will attract investment and provide immediate relief to the many Virginians who lack competition for cable television services and are held captive by cable's frequent price increases.​

"Should new entrants be required to "build-out" in every locality to meet the density requirements contained in many franchise agreements?

Build-out requirements were appropriate when cable companies were receiving exclusive rights to an entire market - that is not the case for new entrants. Requiring build-out to existing levels is nothing more that a way to stall competition by setting an extremely high bar for initial capital investment. Build-out requirements will also mean that only localities that are densely populated are likely to attract competitors. In addition, build-out requirements virtually guarantee that no start-up or small company will ever be able to participate in the video service markets because of the high capital requirements."

While I do not favor "red lining" practices..Build out requirements seem to be a restraint of trade..To require a company to service and area not in it's demographic is ludicrous..
Verizon's FiOS website clearly indicates it wil serve the more affulent areas first..
That makes compltee sense to me..Why force the company to build plant where it will not be used and thus will provide no return on investment..
I read an article on another site that groups representing shal we say 'less afluent people in the Town of Hempstead, NY are protesting Verizons plans to serve areas most likely to buy their service first..The groupos claim Verizon is redlining....I think they are making a sound bsuiness decision..They not only considering their best customers first but the investors who hold Verizon stock as well....
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Want to Know What Love Is - Foreigner
Bobby
Oh What A Night For Dancing - Barry White
sdfntx
It's a Good Night for Singing - Jerry Jeff Walker
long_time_Dish
All Night Long - Joe Walsh
M
Night Fever - Bee Gees
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Y
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
T
A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
S
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
dish has new sats dtv does not
R
dish has new sats dtv does not
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
comfortably_numb
What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?

NO.
S
Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
While I agree but dish just launched a new sat. That can be used as an asset for Elon. Maybe he will repurpose em for his cell service. And if he wants tv to. God knows why he would but I think he will get a great deal on the contracts in place and equipment!!! I could think of better things to spend my money on. And to be honest Elon has nothing to offer me have blazing fast internet and ill never buy an ev. The veesee box and the super box are illegal.
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
ncted
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
G
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
Neutron
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
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dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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TRG
Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
navychop
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
Jimbo
Hmmm... I don't have any of those problems with my Roku devices. I have 3 of them.
I have the Roku's, 2 or 3, I just rarely use them ... I prefer the Google/Android Sony set up.

People tell me that the Apps on the TV will end thier usefulness as they age ... They are doing ok for me so far ... I also have the TV take the App Updates whenever possible ... then again, I don't know how often App updates come to it.

So, so far, I'm doing ok, but if they start to get sluggish, I'll eventually change to a Roku ... I don't want to, but eventually ... (Or buy another new TV :eeek:shh:clapping:biggrin
R
I suspect Fox will make me consider 2-3 more Apple TV STB purchases.
As long as my Roku Ultra works I will use it. I use it for all of my streaming apps except for Prime. I read that Prime works best with Android TV's.
navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue