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Many hams have never tried working satellites before. Some try for the Space Shuttle SAREX missions, or maybe have worked MIR or the ISS at one time or another but haven't tried anything else. I know, until about a year ago, I was the same way. When I thought about operating satellite, the first things that came to mind were those multimode VHF/UHF radios which cost as much as HF radios and huge M2 beam arrays with az/el rotators. Being a poor university student, I figured that satellite would be like EME for me; one of those terribly expensive facets of amateur radio that I'd have to wait many years before I could afford to try it. Thankfully, I was wrong. While there are many who do spend thousands of dollars on a satellite station, you can get started with a complete setup for around $100 if you are handy enough to build a simple antenna and source some cheap radios. For most hams, you'll be able to get started for even cheaper, as most already have radios capable of working some satellites, the FM satellites. Suprised? I was!

Right now, there are 3 satellites which operate FM. You uplink to them on 2 meters, and they transmit back down on 70cm. There's SO-50, AO-27 and AO-51.

SO-50 is the hardest of the three to work. It doesn't transmit very much power (300mw I think?) so it's harder to hear than the others, and it doesn't transmit a carrier unless someone is uplinking to it. Plus, it has to be turned on by someone every 10 minutes. Uplink is on 145.85 MHz with a PL tone of 67Hz. To turn on the satellite, transmit for a couple of seconds with a PL of 74.4Hz. The satellite will NOT give you any confirmation that your command worked; you'll just have to check to see if you hear yourself when you transmit 67Hz. Downlink is on 436.795 +/- 10kHz for doppler.

AO-27 is easier than SO-50, but only operates voice mode for 6 minutes per pass. It starts off with packet for 20 seconds, then goes into voice mode for 6 minutes, then back to packet for 1 minute before shutting off. This is because the satellite is getting old and it doesn't have the energy to be on 24/7 anymore. AO-27 when in voice mode always transmits a carrier modulated with white noise. You can hear the difference and see it on the signal meter when you are picking it up. This makes it easier to aim at. It's also stronger than SO-50 so it's not difficult to receive. AO-27 also does not require PL to operate so people with really old radios won't have a problem working it. Uplink is same as SO-50 sans PL, 145.85. Downlink is also the same, 436.795 +/- 10kHz for doppler.

AO-51, also known simply as Echo, is the easiest to work of the three. It transmits the most power, and transmits a blank carrier when not in use. It's on 24/7 so no problems trying to squeeze in a million QSOs into 6 minutes of a 15 minute pass. However, AO-51 changes modes depending on what kind of feedback the control team gets. The default mode is FM with VHF uplink and UHF downlink, but they also do sideband up, PSK31, L band up and S band down. This satellite also runs packet on a separate frequency most of the time, too. The schedule and frequencies are posted at this link:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/ControlTeam.php

Most of the time, they are running uplink 145.92MHz with a PL of 67Hz and downlink at 435.3MHz +/- 10kHz for voice.

What do you need to work these sats? I use an arrow handheld antenna and two HT's. I have an old Radio Shack HTX-202 2 meter only radio I hadn't used in a couple of years. I had it hooked up on APRS for awhile as a low power tracker but satellite was a good reason to bring it back into good use as an uplink radio. I got a Yaesu VX-7R I use for the downlink, but you could do just as well with an HTX-404 or any other monoband 70cm radio. Don't use a scanner for a downlink. It might work but they usually lack the sensitivity needed that a real ham radio has in the 70cm band. Just looking at eBay completed auctions, you could get an HTX-202 AND an HTX-404 for about $80 total. I like using a different radio for the uplink and downlink because you can hear how well you're getting into the satellite; full duplex. Let's you make adjustments on the fly and see if you're getting QRMed or QRMing someone else. Some fancy new HT's have dual receive and can receive on 70cm when transmitting on 2. This is fine if you have an HT like this, BUT you'll need a duplexer to use an antenna with a seperate feed for 2m and 70cm like the arrow. Duplexers not required when you use two separate radios.

Antennas. The arrow handheld yagi is a small lightweight yagi antenna with 3 elements on 2 meters and 7 elements on 70cm. You don't have to buy one, you can construct one very easily for about $20 in parts, or cheaper. The most expensive part is the female BNC connectors! For the uplink, many just use a mobile 2m radio into a quarter wave ground plane. Not a lot of power is needed, 10 watts will do. Then all you need is a good gain directional antenna for the downlink. If you're using the arrow or similar, 1 watt works great for me most of the time, or you can pump it up to 2.5 or 5 or whatever your handhelds got and it will work. Got a 70cm beam already but don't want to walk around outside with it looking silly? You can hear low elevation passes with it even without an az/el rotator. Just use your omni on 2m with some power to transmit into it. You get the best DX on these low elevation passes. On high elevation passes, people have been able to work AO-51 with a quarter wave rubber duck outside positioning the antenna just right over a car hood as a reflector! Dualband HT and a quarter wave duck, no additional equipment needed!

The Arrow antenna is a great antenna. I worked Estonia, Italy, Sweden, Puerto Rico, California, Mexico, and many more with this antenna on passes as low as 2 degrees and down to the horizon at a good location.

http://www.arrowantennas.com/146-437.html

However, it is $73 and you can build the exact same thing yourself easily. Want to build one? Take a look here:

http://xe1mex.gq.nu/antenas/yagi.html

Now that you've got the equipment, all you need now is software to track the satellites. Try Orbitron, it's free! http://www.stoff.pl/

So, you've got all the equipment, and your tracking software of choice says a great 87 degree pass on AO-51 is heading your way! What do you do? If your doing the handheld method, find a clear area to stand where houses and large trees won't be in the directon of the satellite at any point during the pass. Remember when I said the downlink frequency was 435.3 +/- 10kHz? This is because of doppler shift. The satellite is moving so fast that the frequency you will receive it at will change as much as 20kHz during the pass! FM does make it a bit easier, though. Due to the capture effect, you don't have to change frequency all that much. With sideband, you're constantly turning the knob. On FM, you turn the knob 4 times. Set your radio's tuning step to as low as it will go. For most, this will be 5kHz, and this is perfect. Start off at 435.310 and turn your squelch all the way down. If you're using two radios, use a pair of headphones so you don't get feedback. I use a mono to stereo adapter with my HT so sound comes out of both headphones, and they're the muff type so not too much sound escapes. Point your antenna towards the horizon in the general direction of where the satellite is supposed to be. Rotate the antenna so that you're checking both polarizations. Soon you will hear the blank carrier (or someone talking!) of AO-51. DON'T transmit to the satellite until you can hear it! The satellites can hear you a lot better than you can hear it. Many times there could be a QSO in progress and someone who can't hear the satellite yet throws a carrier over the QSO without even knowing it. Once you've got a decent signal on the downlink, go ahead and transmit up to it on 145.92. Make sure your PL is on at 67Hz. The doppler on 2 meters is a lot less than what it is on 70cm. It's only about 3kHz but thanks to the capture effect of FM, transmitting on 145.92 the whole pass is close enough. You should be able to hear yourself through the satellite with a full duplex setup. This will allow you to fine tune your aiming and twisting of the beam. I like to use only 1 watt. When I use something like 5 watts, it starts to slightly desense my receive on 70cm but YMMV! Make some contacts! As the satellite gets closer, you will hear that it sounds like its getting distorted as if it is off frequency. This tells you it is time to tune down to 435.305. When it is nearly straight overhead, you'll tune to 435.3. As it's heading away from you, you go down 5kHz more to 435.295 and when it's almost gone you'll be tuned to 435.290. Now if you have a pass that's only a max of say 10 degrees elevation, you might start off at 435.305 rather than 435.310 so take that into consideration when you're listening for the sat to come above the horizon.

The FM low earth orbiting sats are great! You can work in excess of 3,000 miles with little HT's and a handheld antenna. You can get a VUCC award with these things quite easy if you QSL your contacts. Speaking of which, know your grid square. These are exchanged on every satellite QSO. If you don't know, it's probably on QRZ.com. Hope to hear you all on the birds real soon!

I know, I wrote this kind of quickly since the YL wants to go out, so if anyone needs anything clarified, let me know and I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability.

73,
Mark VO1ONE
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Excellent

Excellent post. I just got my 1st license and am going to try this. Thanks for taking the time to post the information.
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Congratulations on getting your licence! Satellites are a great thing to get into for new hams and long time hams alike. For me, it was just another facet of this great hobby that brings me more enjoyment, in addition to the many things I already do with it.

Another nice thing about satellites for new hams is that it doesn't require a high level licence to get on. You can have a no-code technician licence in the states and still talk to someone thousands of miles away. Now I'd never not encourage someone to not upgrade, but this allows someone with a tech licence to get more out of this hobby and probably at least partially with equipment they already have.

Satellites, you don't have to worry about band conditions too much. Your sat tracking program tells you exactly when you'll hear the satellite to the second, you get 15 minutes to make lots of contacts and then you find yourself getting back on the computer figuring out how long it's going to be before another satellite is over the horizon for you! You hardly ever have to call CQ on an FM sat. Always a lot of people. One of these days, I'll save up to get some sideband gear for VHF/UHF. That'll open up several more birds for me. The nice thing about sideband birds is that several people can have QSO's on the satellite at once. Some of the passes on the FM birds are so busy the QSO's are almost contest style - callsign, name, grid, 73! On sideband, you can spend the whole pass rag chewing since everyone else can find their own spot on the satellite to use. Sideband birds take a bandwidth of say 50kHz on 70cm, and any signal that can fit into that bandwidth gets spit back down in the same 50kHz swath but shifted onto 2 meters. You can use the same simple directional antennas that you use for the FM birds, but radios are a bit more expensive. You can get one of those old Icom shoulder strap radios that transmit 5w on eBay for around $100 each.

Oh, I forgot to mention about doppler on my original post. I think I'll edit it now!

73,
Mark VO1ONE
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totally awesome post :) You got me interested.
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OoTLink said:
totally awesome post :) You got me interested.

That's good to hear! It's suprising how many hams haven't tried working some voice sats. It's not that they're not interested, but most think that it's more complicated than it really is, where most of the time they already have everything you need to get on, maybe minus the antenna. It's nice to be able to do something else with a dual band HT, and it gives no-coders an opportunity to make contacts several thousand miles away without the use of echolink or IRLP or similar. The sound quality of course is a million times better than sideband, too, and a lot more reliable conditions-wise. It sounds like you're just talking on a repeater the next town over, not to some spacecraft a thousand miles away.

Anyways, give it a try. Even if you're not licenced you could still listen if you have a nice, sensitive scanner or a motorola business band uhf radio programmed to the right frequencies, or of course a ham radio. I'm thinking about building some of those XE1MEX Arrow clones myself and selling them to hams here locally to get more of us on the satellites. You don't need to be a member of AMSAT or anything else to use the satellites. Of course if you find a lot of enjoyment in using the satellites you might want to consider joining to help continue funding an organization which is responsible for building and launching a lot of these satellites. They plan on building and launching a HEO (high Earth orbiting) satellite soon which will allow for much longer passes and contacts of even greater distances, but such an orbit is more expensive to achieve than a low Earth orbit. Here's the page about P3E:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/express/

73,
Mark VO1ONE
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
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Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
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You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
Jimbo
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
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Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
don't think they don't charge you to take the bone out they do!!!
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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toss AI in there to!!! they know when your excited over items up goes the price
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I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Jimbo
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
NYDutch
Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
We have a regional ice cream company here that advertises that their ice cream containers are still a full half gallon.
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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Hopefully they are better then the current highly insecure junk boxes that are out now.
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DEATH TO NEXGEN!
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17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
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I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
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I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
When?
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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922 was a train wreck. The end!
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922 was a train wreck. The end!

I know I regretted that purchase!
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
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Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Bruce
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
USA and SyFy content is on Peacock, you can receive the rest of those channels via Philo, only $25 a month.

Almighty1
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
This is what Google Search AI says, let's see how good AI can really solve problems.


To perfectly cover your specific channel checklist while saving significantly on your $118 Dish Network bill, you can leverage your existing HDHomerun setup alongside a live TV streaming service or app combination.
Since you require USA and Syfy, budget entertainment-only streaming apps like Philo ($28/mo) or Frndly TV ($7–$11/mo) will not work as standalone solutions because they exclude NBCUniversal networks. [1, 2]
Here are the best ways to get all your channels, optimized for high picture and audio quality:

Option 1: Hulu + Live TV (The All-In-One Match)
Hulu + Live TV ($89.99–$99.99/mo) is the most seamless replacement because its base tier natively carries every single channel on your list: [1, 2, 3]
  • Channel Checklist: Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark Channel, Hallmark Mystery, Great American Family, Lifetime, and Lifetime Movies. [1]
  • Quality & Audio: Hulu + Live TV is widely praised by cord-cutters for its excellent high-bitrate 1080p video quality at 60 frames per second (fps) on compatible streaming hardware. It supports 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound on most live channels and compatible home theater systems.
  • Bonus Value: The price automatically bundles the entire on-demand libraries of Hulu, Disney+, and ESPN+, which gives you a massive amount of additional content. [1, 2]

Option 2: YouTube TV (The Premium Interface Alternative)
YouTube TV ($82.99/mo) is highly regarded for its robust streaming stability, unlimited DVR, and highly polished user interface. [1, 2, 3]
  • Channel Checklist: It includes Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, and Lifetime.
  • The Catch: Great American Family is not in the base lineup and requires the Sports Plus or Entertainment Plus add-on package, which increases the monthly cost.
  • Quality & Audio: It streams in 1080p/60fps with an advanced compression codec that minimizes buffering. It features native 5.1 surround sound audio across major streaming hardware platforms.

Option 3: The Maximum Savings "App Stack" Combination
If you want to maximize your financial savings by skipping a massive live TV guide, you can split your checklist across a few dedicated streaming apps. Because you already pay for Peacock, you can cross USA and Syfy content off your list, as Peacock hosts most of those networks' premium shows next-day or live.
By adding the following, you can build a highly customized tier:
  • Frndly TV ($6.99–$10.99/mo): This affordable live app brings you all 3 Hallmark channels, Great American Family, and the Lifetime networks with a classic cloud DVR.
  • Discovery+ ($4.99–$8.99/mo): This gives you the full, deep on-demand libraries and live feeds for Food Network and HGTV. [1]
Total Estimated Stack Cost: Around $12 to $20/mo combined on top of what you already pay.
  • Quality Note: Frndly TV maxes out at 720p/1080p high-definition with stereo audio, while Discovery+ supports highly optimized crisp 1080p and selective 4K video playback with strong digital audio depth on high-end streaming sticks. [1]

Cord-Cutting Tips for Peak Quality
  • Streaming Hardware Matters: To get the best possible image processing and audio passthrough, use dedicated streaming hardware like an Apple TV 4K or a high-end Roku Ultra rather than relying on the built-in smart TV operating systems.
  • Check Your Bandwidth: Ensure your home network has a stable downstream speed of at least 25–50 Mbps dedicated to your main television device to ensure the streaming apps auto-negotiate to their highest available bitrate and frame rates without dropping down to lower resolutions.
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Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
​
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
They're finally live in the app's API, doing a check

PISTONS is not available in Detroit (WMYD/20), it is available in the rest of Michigan including Marquette who also gets the games on their MyNet station WJMN/3, along with the Toledo DMA and the northern portions of the South Bend and Fort Wayne DMAs.

THUNDER is available in OKC and Tulsa, so I wonder if DTV is just going to keep the OTA feeds of KSBI/52 and KQCW/19 and direct viewers to 675 for the rest of the games.
On stream it's in Choice for Oklahoma (inlcuding the Oklahoma portions of the Amarillo, Sherman-Ada, Wichita Falls-Lawton and Joplin DMAs) and Western Arkansas and requires Sports Pack for Nebraska, Kansas and Western Missouri, I'm not sure if it's the same for satellite.
coolman302003
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…

I've been watching the Spurs home feed on channel 676-1 (was part time San Antonio specific feed) out of market with NBALP for YEARS on satellite (through the multiple iterations of Fox Sports SW, Bally Sports SW, FanDuel Sports SW) Looks like that will not happen unless a deal is reached with DAZN. I do see the placeholder channel on 680 if it happens.
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It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…
Center Ice does have the non-carried feeds, including the Hurricanes, Wild, Blues and Blue Jackets and spotbeam local only teams like the Panthers, Mammoth and Golden Knights. So it probably depends on the available part time bandwidth each night as things they are able to provide to in market viewers in the 600s, PPV Events in the 100s and commercial events in the 9000s get priority first, along with games where neither team has a remappable feed.
coolman302003
League Pass tonight for example (it is almost a full slate tonight):
Hawks @ Magic (only Hawks feed which is easy to insert since its OTA this season and simulcast across multiple Gray Television markets, Magic signed a non- exclusive streaming deal with DAZN and also OTA)
Bucks @ Wizards (only Wizards feed easy to remap, Bucks are OTA & there own streaming service Bucks+)
Hornets @ Nets (only Nets feed which DirecTV already carries so simply YES remap, Hornets signed non-exclusive streaming deal with DAZN, also OTA)
Bulls @ Raptors (Bulls only feed via CHSN remap, its common that we don't get Raptors feeds that often)
Jazz @ Grizzlies (Jazz only feed OTA easy to insert, Grizzlies signed streaming deal with DAZN)
Pacers @ Pelicans (Pelicans only feed which is OTA easy to insert, Pacers signed streaming deal with DAZN)

Maybe it will change but it looks like DirecTV may only carry DAZN feeds on NBA LP when there is no other option, such as when two teams (either Cavaliers, Pacers, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Spurs) that are both DAZN exclusive are playing each other, we shall see as the season goes on I guess.

This NBA season will be the first time in a long time that there will be a lot of games carried on feeds that DirecTV doesn't normally carry (remappable) or only carry OTA spotbeam feeds.
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I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

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If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.
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Three Bonus View Channels added today:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks again to eagle-eyed Pat, for the tip.
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Paranormal Files back in business:

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Two new Bonus View channels Added today:

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And two Removed:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

Thanks to Pat for the heads up.
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One Bonus View channel added today. And one correction (on my part):

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One Removed:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

BTW, not a Bonus View item, but there was a temporary channel 304 Spooktacular added, I imagine just for the Halloween season.

Thanks again to Pat for the many tips.
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Three new Bonus View channels today:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

As always, thanks to Pat for the tips.
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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navychop
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Almighty1
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
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Almighty1
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.
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bookworm370
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online, the other one consistently will not come online
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bookworm370
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online; the other consistently won't. Also, when I connect the EHD, the USB Detected status light on the EHD itself changes from Red to Green. But the Hopper (713) does not start the EHD read process. The light changes to indicate that the EHD has detected a valid USB cable, but the Hopper does not recognize it.
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It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.
Yeah, I read through that and understand that now. It rebooted itself last night and upgraded to H713, and lost the EHDs again. As usual, power cycling the EHDs, did nothing, software H3 reboot didn't either, but it only took one cold boot to get them to come back.

Did you ever answer how to trigger that external hard drive test? Had the guys over Saturday to watch college football and BS (mostly BS) and in my rec room (casino H3) I have two TVs one from Casino H3, and the other either duplicates the H3 (if we only want to watch one game) or a separate Joey4 if we want to watch 2 games. In the last Quarter of the Rutgers at Maryland game, Casino H3 decided it wanted to do that EHD test, which it said could take up to 100 mins. I set up the game on tablet with dish anywhere for two guys most interested in that game because I wanted to see what the test said when it was completed. I missed it but the EHDs were working fine and I put the game back on that TV (took about 15 mins for the test).
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Almighty1
Yeah, I read through that and understand that now. It rebooted itself last night and upgraded to H713, and lost the EHDs again. As usual, power cycling the EHDs, did nothing, software H3 reboot didn't either, but it only took one cold boot to get them to come back.

Did you ever answer how to trigger that external hard drive test? Had the guys over Saturday to watch college football and BS (mostly BS) and in my rec room (casino H3) I have two TVs one from Casino H3, and the other either duplicates the H3 (if we only want to watch one game) or a separate Joey4 if we want to watch 2 games. In the last Quarter of the Rutgers at Maryland game, Casino H3 decided it wanted to do that EHD test, which it said could take up to 100 mins. I set up the game on tablet with dish anywhere for two guys most interested in that game because I wanted to see what the test said when it was completed. I missed it but the EHDs were working fine and I put the game back on that TV (took about 15 mins for the test).
Maybe what you might want to do the next time is first disconnect the EHD's and then reboot using the physical Red Button Reset in the Hopper 3 and let it boot up and basically Live TV, wait 10 minutes or so after that and then plug in EHD #1, give it 5 minutes to detect and either after it detects or if after the 5 minutes whichever comes first, plug in EHD #2 and give it 5 minutes to detect. If you got both detected successfully, then you can use the Menu based Reboot and see if it detects itself within the first 10 minutes. But don't hit the DVR button on the remote until that 10 minutes after Live TV in both scenarios.

As for how to trigger the External Hard Drive Test, I have no idea except I know I saw it periodically like it says but some people on reddit apparently has seen it daily everytime it does that nightly reboot as seen in this thread on reddit:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/dishnetwork/s/zEDfVfgBQv


and as of a few days ago, they are still complaining about that:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/dishnetwork/comments/1x7uxtp/so_sick_of_this_with_the_hopper_3_didnt_want_to/


So not sure what is triggering it for them but basically they lose up to 110 minutes every night which can include sleep for at least one of the persons because of the "periodically" External Hard Drive test and waiting for a fix promised fix while no one on here seems to have the issue. I had not seen the External Hard Drive test for years. If I had to guess, it is similar to Linux/Unix and Windows when the system was not shutdown properly so you will see the fsck running at startup or the Windows Filesystem Check.

Google Search AI says the following:

The Hopper 3 determines whether to run the external hard drive (EHD) test at bootup based on a set of internal firmware rules. At its core, the Linux-based operating system on the Hopper looks for specific hardware markers and system file states when initializing:

1. The File System "Dirty Flag" (Most Common Trigger)
Like a computer running an unexpected disk check, the Hopper 3 looks at the drive's file system table during boot.
  • If the drive was unmounted safely before the reboot, the system sees a "clean" status flag and skips the test entirely to speed up boot times.
  • If the Hopper lost power suddenly, froze up, or received a forced hard reset while the drive was spinning, the status flag remains marked as "dirty" (unclean shutdown). The bootloader detects this flag and automatically triggers the test to scan for corrupted file segments and index errors before allowing playback.

2. Linux Kernel Device Interrogation (fsck)
When the Hopper 3 initializes its Linux kernel at bootup, it queries every connected USB peripheral.
  • If it detects a new or altered hardware ID (such as plugging a drive into a different USB port, swapping cables, or attaching a drive that was disconnected during the last power cycle), it runs a foundational mount check.
  • This scan ensures the file structure matches the receiver's encryption keys before mapping the storage directory to your DVR menu.

3. Read/Write Mount Error Counts
The Hopper tracks background hardware performance metrics. If the internal system logs show that the external drive suffered from timed-out read/write commands or communication drops just prior to the reboot, the operating system overrides the default boot process. It forces the external hard drive check to determine if the drive is physically failing or suffering from partition degradation.

4. Scheduled Maintenance & Major Software Binds
Dish pushes system software updates over the satellite stream, usually during the 1:00 AM – 5:00 AM maintenance window. If a newly installed firmware version introduces changes to the receiver's DVR file structure or database index system, the update sequence purposefully injects a one-time diagnostic flag into the boot cycle. This ensures that old recordings on the external drive remain entirely compatible with the new software.


Operating systems run file system checks (such as fsck on Unix/Linux/FreeBSD or chkdsk on Windows) during startup to detect and repair data corruption, fix broken directory structures, and ensure the storage drive is safe before mounting it for normal use. [1]

Why File Systems Get Corrupted
    • Unclean Shutdowns: Power outages, hardware resets, or sudden crashes interrupt write operations before data and metadata are fully saved to the disk.
    • Inconsistent State: Metadata (such as file allocation tables, inodes, or journaling logs) can point to missing blocks or overlapping file paths.
    • Scheduled Maintenance: Older file systems trigger periodic, count- or time-based scans to catch slow degradation or orphaned sectors. [1]

How Operating Systems Handle the Checks
    • Unix / Linux / FreeBSD (fsck): Inspects the superblocks, inode tables, and directory trees. Modern journaling file systems (like ext4, XFS, or ZFS) use a transaction log to quickly replay or roll back unfinished operations instead of scanning every block, meaning a full check only runs if the system was marked "unclean" or after a set number of mounts. [1, 2, 3]
    • Windows (chkdsk / NTFS): Checks the Master File Table (MFT), security descriptors, and bitmap structures. NTFS uses a built-in transaction log ($LogFile) to automatically recover consistency almost instantly, rarely requiring a full disk surface scan unless a serious hardware or logical error occurred.
So not seeing it is usually a good thing as these people probably have failing storage devices or corrupted filesystems.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Foxbat
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
b4pjoe
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.
rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
dfergie
I was a devout Cowboy fan in the Landry era, grudgingly gave Jimmy his due, since then not so much, the Jones family took care of that...
b4pjoe
Nice knowing you Brian…

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meStevo
The situation w/ the Titans and Jordan Elliott is scary.


Makes me think of the Javon Belcher murder suicide.