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Man, am I really confused about this dish setup. I want to setup a stationary dish for G10R. Using the Sadoun's finder page:
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satellite-Heading-Calculator.htm
I see G10R is 123 satellite west longitude. Plotting my area, San Antonio, I get Elevation 46.5, Azimuth 222.9 and LNBF +36.4.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but, the graph below this shows magnetic declination. 123W is WAY off the map passed California. I'd have to point the dish due West to pick it up if I could.
Or, more confusing, do I just set the elevation to 46.5 and aim the dish to azimuth 222.9? Or, point the dish to 123W, elevation to 46.5, then fine tune with the azimuth?
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Shawn95GT
Magnetic will be roughly 216.6. Satfinder says 216.8 but what's .2 when you are reading a compass ;).
ken2400
Look for a dish 500 dish near you. Now you see where 110-119W is. Next find 121W on your dish by go a little to the right of where the dish 500s are pointing. This has more power than 123W is easier to find. Once you have the barker channel. Turn the dish to the right until you just loose the signal. Like a 1/4 to 1/2 maybe. Then try a rescan.
A in-line signal meter helps. After you get something from 123W use your receiver to get the best signal and rescan. Also the elvations may be off a little?

What are you using for a dish?

bigjnsa said:
Man, am I really confused about this dish setup. I want to setup a stationary dish for G10R. Using the Sadoun's finder page:
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satellite-Heading-Calculator.htm
I see G10R is 123 satellite west longitude. Plotting my area, San Antonio, I get Elevation 46.5, Azimuth 222.9 and LNBF +36.4.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but, the graph below this shows magnetic declination. 123W is WAY off the map passed California. I'd have to point the dish due West to pick it up if I could.
Or, more confusing, do I just set the elevation to 46.5 and aim the dish to azimuth 222.9? Or, point the dish to 123W, elevation to 46.5, then fine tune with the azimuth?
Larry1
Making sense of the numbers

When you put your location in the calacualtor, it gives your loacation, San Antonio TX the map co-ordinates of Latitude 29.4 and Longitude 98.5. When you look at the map, select the latitude, 29.4 on the scale on the left and right side of the map. If you draw a horizontal (across left/right) line across the map, this line is 29.4 deg latitude line of the earth, or 29,4 units fron the equator. Now for your longitude. Look at the scale at the top and bottom of the map. Find 98.5 on the scale and draw a vertical line (up/down). Where these two lines interset, will be you home, San Antonio TX. Up to now we have only been using the numbers on the sides of the map. Now look at the curved lines on the body of the map. They will be marked with small numbers on a few of them. (not the numbers previously used, but the small numbers near the centre of the map) Some of the lines are not marked, but the 0, 5, and 10 are marked. (so between 0 and 5 are lines 1, 2, 3, and 4 etc) San Antonio TX is about half way between the 5 line and the next line to the left, or the 6 line. (I may have my location a little off) Lets say 5.5 These lines of the difference from compass reading, or magnetic reading and true reading show how much of a difference there is. These are always changing and the maps are usually updated every few years. Now from the notation at the bottom of the map, you need to subtract the value from the computed heading to get what the compass will read. So, the azimuth of 222.9 is the true reading that needs to be adjusted for the change in the varying magnetic of the earth. Your compass that points to the magnetic of the earth and does not know what the true should be. To pint at true of 222.9, your compass should be pointed at 222.9 - 5.5 = 217.4 because of this differece of the magnetic fields. This is what you use to point your dish at, 217.4 You also need to adjust the angle the dish points to the sky. This is the elevation. 0 deg elevation would meen you are pointing straight or level across the ground. 90 deg elevation you would be pointing straight up in the sky. Your elevation needs to be 46.5 degrees up from the ground, or just slightly past half way between pointing across the ground and straight up to the sky.
Now to make things more confusing for you, if you have an offset dish, (the LNBF or piece that you attach the coax cable to is not located in the centre of the dish, but to the bottom of the dish) the signal enters the dish from above the dish and is reflected out below and into the LNBF to pickup the signal. Think of this like a pool ball bouncing off a side cushion. It enters the dish at an angle, is reflected or bounced off the dish and leaves the dish at the same angle, but below.
Hopefully this makes sense to you now. It's a little confusing to begin with, but once you see why, it makes sense.

To recap, point your compas to 217.4deg, adjust your dish for it points up at an angle of 46.5 deg.
Larry1
Now not to confuse things, but the satellite G10R is at 123 deg. (its physical location) On the map this would be the vertical (up/down) line at the left of the map at 123. (using the scale across the top and bottom) Since the satellites are over the equator, which is 0, the horizontal line (left/right) would be below the map if you continued the map down, (using the scale on the side) 50, 40 ,30, to 20, 10 and eventually 0. (don't confuse this with what your compass adjustments should be, or what your dish settings should be)
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
RaiderPower
Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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long_time_Dish
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers
iJustine
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It's not even where it folds!
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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S
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
1792633296785.webp
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
navychop
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!
dishstaller
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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FTA4PA
Rest In Peace
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
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dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Scott Greczkowski
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
bookworm370
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
S
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
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ppappas
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Almighty1
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.
B
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Almighty1
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
M
Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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