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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

After 20 yrs of Satellite I'm lost

I started with satellite back in the early 80's. I was a VOOM subscriber, and when they went belly up I went to a leased 811 and DISH. I knew MPEG 4 was coming and I just don't trust dish, expecially after the VOOM demise. (I was lucky my VOOM box was leased and I got to keep it .)

Locals became available in my market (central Wyoming) last summer and I added them. I have two DISH 500's pointed at the 110, 119, and 148.

There is no cable where I live, so that is not an option. We have one digital PBS local channel that I pick up with the old VOOM antenna, and the over the air locals consists of 1 channel in analog.

It does seem like it is time to upgrade hardware, to a 211, a 411, or a 622, although other than ESPN 2 HD I am not sure what I will gain.

If I go to the 622 leased, I will have to pay approx $300 plus a fee each month???, but I will be able to watch two different channels on two different TV???? I won't have to pay an extra fee for the included additional tuner????? and no fee for the DVR feature???? Will I need the DISH 1000?????? Will VOOM be free (included)???? I presently have the HD package, the America;s everything package and the locals. I pay approx $100 per month.

If I go to a 211 leased it will be essentially a free upgrade, with no monthly lease fee??????

I am an old experienced sat owner. This could not be more confusing if Charlie had tried to make it so. I have spent the last three hours reading about all I could and I am still confused. Calling DISH or looking at the Website is not usually very helpfull.

I need help and some answers. HELP. (but keep in mind it is only TV, and if it disappeared tomorrow we'd be fine)
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I would like VOOM channels and I would really like ESPN2 HD. If I can get a HD DVR for 100 up front on a lease, then even though I have not connected a VCR for years I'd jump on that like a dog on a bone. Being able to watch two different channels at the same time would always help things with the significant other.

I really don't mind the lease VS buying as I rightly or wrongly think I have less exposure to getting screwed with equipment changes. Like that which is happening now, or like the VOOM deal where it just went off the air. I would however like it alot better if there was no fee up front or no monthly fee. All things considered I come from the era of BUD, where you bought all your own equipment.

Will the DISH1000 give a better digital signal than the DISH 500's I presently have?

I not sure what I receive on the 148. I started with one DISH for all the normal HD, and the SD channels, then we added locals in my area and I needed another dish, so my guess is that is the local Wyoming channels. As of now I have the old Voom dish still attached and pointing to the east, along with 2 DISH 500, and I still have the BUD hooked up and working for E coast network feeds on a grandfather clause. The more dishes the merrier!

You'd think I must sit home and watch TV all day, but that is really not the case. I just hate wanting to watch a channel, and finding that I dont' have a subscription to it. It was that way with the SUPERBOWL.

All this equipment, and grandfathering, and a SONY HD TV and I am watching it with bars on the side in SD. That sucked.

Thanks for the info. Any other opinions out there.
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"... It does seem like it is time to upgrade hardware, to a 211, a 411, or a 622, although other than ESPN 2 HD I am not sure what I will gain..."

From what you've said, it would seem that this is NOT the time for you to upgrade. The 811 should work fine for another year (roughly when they will move all HD to MPEG-4), at which time there may be an even better deal for you to upgrade. Upgrading will get you a few more national HD channels, which may or may not interest you, and the ability to get HD LiL (or distants), which sounds like you may be interested in. Of course, you did say you REALLY wanted ESPN2 HD, so I'll assume you are pursuing upgrading. I don't think you'll save on the monthly fee if you buy vs lease. I seem to remember posts saying the lease fee is just replaced by another fee. Maybe that's the DHPP. ON EDIT: If you have more than one receiver, you will pay a "extra receiver fee" or a "lease fee" of $5 or $6 (HD). So after the first receiver, you really don't save on monthly fees on owning versus leasing.

"...If I go to the 622 leased, I will have to pay approx $300 plus a fee each month???, ..."

Yes. This is my best guess as to what your bill would be:
$299 up front one time fee to start a lease on a ViP622, possibly plus shipping.
HD Platinum.........$99.99
locals.................$5.00 (superstations are $5.99)
HD lease fee........$6.00
Plus taxes & regulatory fees.

For more on fees, see post #1 in this thread and post #2 in this thread.

"...but I will be able to watch two different channels on two different TV???? ..."

Yes.

"...I won't have to pay an extra fee for the included additional tuner????? ..."

Correct, no extra tuner fee.

"...and no fee for the DVR feature???? ..."

No DVR fee, since you will likely go with the HD Platinum pack. Once you get used to the DVR, I think it highly unlikely you'll ever want to do without. That 30 second button to skip thru commercials is a wonderful thing. Yes, it's still $299 up front, not $100. But if you wait that year, MAYBE it'll be less. But you'll have spent a year without the DVR and two tuners.

"...Will I need the DISH 1000?????? ..."

Since you have a 61.5 dish left over from Voom, they may well use that. This will likely depend upon your installer and your insistence, if you have a preference. I don't think you'll get a better signal from the Dish1000, and if I understand reports correctly, you may get slightly less of a signal. However, this may not matter much. A "good enough" digital signal gets you everything.

"...Will VOOM be free (included)???? ..."

It is part of the HD metallic packs. Voom has 15 channels now- basically the same 21 channels packed into 15.

"...If I go to a 211 leased it will be essentially a free upgrade, with no monthly lease fee??????..."

$49 up front upgrade fee since you have an 811, plus maybe shipping charges.
HD Platinum.........$99.99
locals..................$5.00 (superstations are $5.99)
HD lease fee........$6.00
Plus taxes & regulatory fees.

"...This could not be more confusing if Charlie had tried to make it so...."

Frankly, why do you think they did NOT try to make it confusing? I tend to think they did, and I am generally supportive of Dish Network. They may figure, once you get your bill and it's a few dollars more than you expected, you may just figure "well, it's only a few dollars more." If you notice at all. Of course, I could be wrong:

Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.
— Napoleon Bonaparte
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The rebate is only if you currently own a 942 or 921. I have called Dish 4 times on this and have gotten the same answer every time.
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Ok thanks, good news for me but not the OP.
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wied said:
The rebate is only if you currently own a 942 or 921. I have called Dish 4 times on this and have gotten the same answer every time.
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Actually I think this also applies to current *leasers* of 942 boxes. (Or am I wrong on this? If I'm wrong I might as well order the 622 now instead of waiting for 4/1.)

CDH.
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:devil: like i said, if april 1st upgrade happens as currently stated, recent history tells us not to rely too much on something from Dish till it's in writing somewhere. Hence my advice to wait till april 1 and then we wil be at least 90% certain.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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SpaceX boldly goes into 'huge' 5G network rollout with Qualcomm

After trying satellites and small cells, Elon Musk's SpaceX is to build a terrestrial mobile network across tens of thousands of sites with Qualcomm.
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For your viewing pleasure...
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AT&T, T-Mobile Are Reportedly Ready To Boot Boost Mobile If SpaceX Buys It

Semafor’s Rohan Goswami said that AT&T and T-Mobile have discussed removing Boost Mobile from their networks if SpaceX acquires the EchoStar unit, creating a potential obstacle to Elon Musk’s push to become a major U.S. wireless carrier.
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For your viewing pleasure...
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AT&T, T-Mobile Are Reportedly Ready To Boot Boost Mobile If SpaceX Buys It

Semafor’s Rohan Goswami said that AT&T and T-Mobile have discussed removing Boost Mobile from their networks if SpaceX acquires the EchoStar unit, creating a potential obstacle to Elon Musk’s push to become a major U.S. wireless carrier.
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That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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comfortably_numb said:
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
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dishstaller said:
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
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They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
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Bruce said:
www.lightreading.com

SpaceX boldly goes into 'huge' 5G network rollout with Qualcomm

After trying satellites and small cells, Elon Musk's SpaceX is to build a terrestrial mobile network across tens of thousands of sites with Qualcomm.
www.lightreading.com
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Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal

Fox Is Buying Roku in $22 Billion Deal
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Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
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harshness said:
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
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That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
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navychop said:
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
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Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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dishstaller said:
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
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Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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Juan said:
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
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Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
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Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

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Musk Seeking to Expand SpaceX Into a Cellular Provider

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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
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I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Updated to H715 on a Hopper 3 from H713

After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Sony MDR-3R Walkman USB-C Headphones

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Earth’s New Mini Moon: Meet Asteroid 2026 QQ8

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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Bobby
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dishstaller said:
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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That brought tears to my eyes.
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Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.
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Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


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This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
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Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
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