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JoeSp
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
First let me say that I consider myself a high-end abuser of HD product. So, please take the following with a grain of salt and if you disagree please feel free to do your own research as I have for the last 5 years.

The main differance between using Componet cables for viewing HD material and using DVI or HDMI (henceforth to be refered to as Digital Cables) is that when you use your DVI or HDMI port you bypass the video processor in your HDTV. That was the main purpose of a Digital cable system to begin with. To provide the picture and sound that the director and producer of movies and High Def material wanted you to see. Soon after the introduction the MPAA jumped on board and started requiring security be hardwired into the Digital system in order to copy protect High Def material.

In addition to this, both E*, D* and other manufacturers of High Def equipment have meantioned that their products will downrez High Def signals to protect the High Def enviroment when sending out a signal over componet. Settop manufacturer's have introduced a feature into all setop boxes that will allow downrezzing to happen at the throw of a switch. No one to my knowledge has started downrezzing yet. However, this is why you will only see DVD players capable of uprezing a picture to a 720p or 1080i enviroment or HD-VHS players only producing those higher resolutions thru their digital port and not over componet.

Before anyone jumps in here, only the HD-VHS output can be considered High Def. Any upconverting processes do not produce a true High Def picture. But lets move on.

Another differance is the original signal to begin with. No $300 or for that fact $1000 settop will process a video signal better than your HDTV's own video processor. Especially when that signal is not a true High Def signal. There are not many High Def signals out there. Even High Def OTA channels are being downrezed because of limited bandwith by everyone including OTA digital stations. There is a very good article on this in the latest Digital TV and Sound magazine.

What this means is that you will probably not notice any differance between using Componet or Digital inputs unless that signal is indeed a full bandwith High Def signal delivering to you a filmed based converted to High Definition or High Def recorded on a High Def Camera product. Notice that I stated a filmed based converted and not upconverted to High Def. Some astute video buffs believe that film will always be superior to digital conversion. Some folks believe that about analog and digital music. I am in the group that digital can not yet acheive the same as film and analog for video and music. We are not there yet -- but we are getting close.

Last thing I want to talk about is cables. We all will agree about the huge differance in the analog world between okay cables and really good ones. What are the differances? Shielding, copper content, size, connector stablility and composistion. I once had silver cables that I used for stereo back in the 70's that I got when the military was tearing down a communication site - another story another time - but man, did those cables deliver!!

I have read where some of you say that a digital signal makes purchasing a high quality cable moot. Well, you are wrong again. Improper sheilding, low sheilding, bad connector stablity will bring you to a new level of problems. One is macroblocking. For those who do not know, this is when parts of your video go missing. Another is poor sound reproduction. A dull reproduction of the sound field. Some of you blame bad signals -- oh sure, this is not from a bad cable. In digital cable you have complete seperation of the video signal (and audio with HDMI). Interuption of that signal will cause poor video and audio response from your equipment.

These new products we are buying do a very good job of reproducing the video and audio we are trying to send them. However, there are times when we see a poor picture or hear sound that sounds dead and sometimes that is the signal, sometimes the end product conversion, and sometimes it is the cable. New HDTVs are giving you more control over the Digital input to adjust for your viewing pleasure but as I have stated there are many reasons why you might not be viewing the best your HDTV can produce.

If you feed your High Def tv a diet of low rez (Standard Def Content) or HD-Lite (low bandwith) signals then you will probably not notice very much differance between Componet or Digital cables. I would even say that using Componet and allowing the entire video signal to be processed by your HDTV's video circuitry will probably look better than using the Digital cables. But, given a true High Def product both in the video and audio , a Digital cable will give you the better end product. Better picture and better sound will result from the Digital input. Now if you have a high end DVD that allows for Analog Audio transfer from the DVD you will get better seperation of the sound environment. Otherwise your best result will be from Digital. Eventually that Digital Output (DVI/HDMI) will be the only way to get your High Def fix.

As for the cables, how many of you can see purchansing a $40,000 auto and putting $50 tires on it when it comes time to replace them? Think you will be able to get the same performance then? You do not have to buy Monster Cables but 'any cable will do' is a poor way to treat your new HD equipment. If you are going to view High Def and you want to get the most your new HDTV investment can give you then always buy good cables! And sooner than later those cables will be Digital (DVI and/or HDMI) ;)

ps: My HDTV setup -- Pioneer Elite 630HD 58" - calibrated, Denon 3910 DVD player using DVI out for upconverting and Analog out for complete seperation of sound field to speakers--DVD player does 32bit sound processing, E* 811 settop using DVI soon to be replaced by a VIP622. Yamaha 5.1 matched speakers with matched Yamaha Power sub-woofer- plus PolkAudio surround sound rear speakers, Denon 989 audio/video receiver (weakest link -- looking to replace). All my cables are Accoustical Reseach and Monster. I have three Monster cables -- 2 componet cables for my Playstation 2 and Xbox systems and one SVHS for the 811 just for grins!:devil:
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JoeSp
There are alot of folks who are new to the HD arena. I am only sharing facts on what the differances are between Componet and Digital inputs. I also share some but not all of the parts that go into getting the most out of your HDTV.

Some folks want to know if there is a need for a DVI or HDMI cable. Some want to know if SD looks better over Componet than Digital inputs (it does.) Maybe even some new HD customers would like to know that both E* and D* have in their HD settops the ablility to turn off the HD output of the Componet and have that output downrez.

Why do you not want them to have this information? And where did I say the more you spend the more you get with HD? Some of you are putting things out there that I did not say, did not imply and did not discuss. What are you mad about?

I thought the begining qualifier was that I was sharing information and that if you disagreed -- okay and that you could go and do your own research. Guess that didn't work.
Tom Bombadil
I was talking about digital cables, be they DVI or HDMI.

A perfectly capable DVI or HDMI cable can be purchased for less than $10. You can spend $1000 on one, but it will not better or improve your picture in any way. The $1000 cable could yield a better picture if the $10 cable was improperly made. Some cheap cables are, but many are excellent.

Now digital vs component is very dependent upon the electronics. There is no set answer to which will be better for any particular combination. If both HDMI and component are implemented correctly on both the source and the TV, then digital should be better, or at least no worse. In actual practice, using some of Dish's receivers as sources, the component connection is frequently better. I suspect this is due to Dish's implementation of DVI and HDMI.

However you did not limit your comments to digital vs component/analog in your first post. You made a sweeping statement that people know there are big differences in quality on analog cables, and stated that expensive gear deserved expensive cables, using an ill-conceived automotive tire analogy.

I agree that this is a relevant topic in an HD forum, as we are discussing how to make one's HD picture better.
Carl B
ride525 said:
I like it right here. I want to know what cables and outputs to use with my Dish HD 811 receiver. I use digital output (I think it's DVI on the 811)

Use what looks best to you (digital or component) in your setup watching whatever it is you care most about watching. There is no holy grail. There are too many other variables.

As to cables, digital cables are either adequate or inadequate. There isn't any degree of goodness with them save the durability of the connector (particularly important w/ HDMI connectors). There isn't any "shielding" from RF, electromagnetic, X-ray, gamma ray, Ray Charles, necessary with these cables.

Component cables OTOH do need to have a reasonable amount of quality shielding. With component cables, buying the cheapest available may not be prudent. However, you don't need to buy Monster cables to get adequately shielded cables. The rest of the stuff about oxygen free copper and such is just hype. I recently stumbled across an excellent piece on the physics of hard wire transmission at the electron level. It debunked all the oxygen-free copper, silver content, and other commercial claims. If I can find the link I'll post it in this thread soon.
Tom Bombadil
One source of well-made, low-priced component cables is Parts Express, their Dayton Audio cable line. These have good shielding and good connectors.

http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage...&&DID=7&CATID=34&ObjectGroup_ID=600&sm=0&so=0

A 6' set is $24.53 plus shipping.

I've seen others, like sales on the AR Pro series in that price ranges.

Even a cable like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...f=pd_bbs_5/104-7833497-4570343?_encoding=UTF8
would likely be just as good.

Because it really isn't hard to make a perfectly good component video cable for low bucks too.
JoeSp
TOM , That is what I paided for my AR componet and digital cables. The company I purchased them from were closing down their local on site salesroom to do online sales only. I was very happy to get them for that price.
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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dishstaller
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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NYDutch
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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All Night Long - Joe Walsh
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Night Fever - Bee Gees
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Night By Night - Steely Dan
RaiderPower
Day By Day - Godspell
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Derk Day - Steve Walsh
b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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dishstaller
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Y
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
T
A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Tom Speer
Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Foxbat
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv