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Hello, all! Newbie here, both to HD and this forum. In my somewhat digitally-challenged world, an H-D is still something that fits between my legs and "voOm" is what I hear when I twist my right wrist…so I've got a lot to learn! Been lurking here awhile, tho' and I finally decided to join so I could ask some questions.

Background - I self-installed my first 2-r'cvr E* system in '98 (110 only) and I finally upgraded to HD in Dec. '05 with the 811, basic 60 with HD pack, voOm, "locals", 2 extra NY network channels, 2 add'l (existing) SD r'cvrs (311 and legacy 3700), and DHPP (why?). At that time the tech pointed my original 300 to 61.5 and put in a twin LNB D500 for 110/119, with 3 coaxs feeding a new DPP44 distributed to 3 locations. Seems to work OK, sigs. all over 80, minimal dropouts.

OTA (NTSC or ATSC) in my rural, hilly central PA area is fair to middlin' at best. I can get only 2 HD channels (ABC and PBS) with 4 other SD subs and the receiver and TV both found "placeholders" for several other subs on which I rarely see any signal. My OTA ant. is a 25-y.o. VU-160 on a rotor with a B-T hi-gain amp, split once. Tho' less-than-optimal, that system has been up and working at the same level (+ or -) for all those years, but largely unused for the last 8 until the HD upgrade. I'm not done playing with that system yet and have a few more no-cost tricks to try before I invest in another OTA configuration. (I know I'd be better off with at least a low noise amp.) It may all be for naught, tho' given my location in the woods. Most of the ATSC sigs. that I might eventually receive will be UHF. I'm not willing to put up a tower given our high lightning propensity. BTW – my TV's ATSC receiver outperforms the 811's in most situations.

The Queries, somewhat disjointed:
1) I've had the 811 not quite 3 mos. out of an 18 mo. (I believe) commitment. Will E* allow me a lease upgrade now to the 622 or do I have to wait? I'm primarily interested in the add'l HDs esp. ESPN2, and unlike most who comment in this forum I do seem to enjoy the voOm programming, so maybe more is better. Also - my wife is nuts about HGTV and the Food channel that I believe will soon be available in HD and that might help bring her into the HD world. DVR is still unknown to me. I would like the PIP feature, tho' since my TV does not include it. (Seems that decreasingly fewer new sets have PIP - why? I thought PIP on Sony XBRs was as standard as stink on a skunk! I really miss that feature!) And I assume I'll need MPEG-4 to get my locals in HD off E*, if they ever become available (?!?)

2) Other than the 811, do I "own" the rest of the installed equipment? I paid $299 in Dec. for the last upgrade when the D500/DPP44 were installed. (I bought 2 legacy receivers and the 300 so long ago I think I used wampum!)

3) The 2 dishes and 3 incoming coaxs are now grounded to my entrance panel by the 10-ga stranded THHN wire I originally installed. Is that adequate? (Not sure what NEC sez, but I'm now guessing the wire gauge is too light.) The OTA system is also grounded to an outside rod, but with its age I wouldn't guarantee the integrity. The multi-tap AC surge protector I have at the HD equipment includes phone and coax protection. Should I use those too?

4) Would there be any benefit to installing the DPP44's power inserter at the switch vs. at the 811? ~100 ft of even 6/U QS drops the voltage a bit that could be avoided, if that helps anything.

5) I see the 622 has some video/audio sync. adjust (?) capabilities. Any way to adjust that on the 811?

6) I'm not sure how/when I picked-up the DHPP, but I didn't always have it. I haven't seen much talk about it in the forum. I can handle my own wiring issues and I'm willing to take a chance on the E*-owned equipment reliability since there were no issues with the old legacy stuff in 8 years. Should I keep the DHPP? Any comments?

7) I don't know what folks are paying to buy a 622 in the introductory days, tho' the "apparent MSRP" is $700. The payback calculation should be fairly simple once I know the available packages either way. First cut at it, sounds like a 622 acquired at $600 would pay back at about 5 years (unless one of the "metallic" packages waives the $5/mo. lease fee ??) and I would probably keep the system beyond that point. Are there other advantages to owning? I may not have any option to buy until my current commitment is over. Does the DHPP cover out-of-warranty sub.-owned equipment?

8) I'm just over the line into the 129 NE "no-go" area so I guess/hope the D1000 upgrade is obviated for me and my "local" HD channels will mirror on 61.5, if/when they become available. Is there any other advantage to the 1000 that I'm missing? If I don't need the 1000, can I install the 622 myself given the rest of the system I already have, i.e., what other value does the installer provide? (No aspersions cast to you very talented and dedicated installers!)

I think I'll wait to see what happens with 622 prices/incentives before I upgrade again, but that may trigger sooner when my "locals" become available in HD via sat., which I know won't happen anytime soon...

BTW - For several years I have been using 2 "Leap Frog" uwave SDTV/Stereo x'mtr/r'cvr pairs to give me considerable flexibility sending the signals from my current r'cvrs. to additional rooms and SD TVs - works fairly well! I use RF repeaters for the IR remotes. Anyone else doing that?

Enough for now, and thanks for your patience if you've read this far! Any/all comments, feedback, "get lost", etc. are deeply appreciated…!
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SimpleSimon
A3. You're fine.
A4. Yes.
A5. No.

A7. Lease it.
A8. No.
Peter Iowa
From what I understand, the newly installed lnb and switch still belong to DISH,
(your latest install 2 months ago)
whom I will not return to for a long time.
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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dishstaller
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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NYDutch
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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long_time_Dish
All Night Long - Joe Walsh
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Night Fever - Bee Gees
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long_time_Dish
Night By Night - Steely Dan
RaiderPower
Day By Day - Godspell
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Derk Day - Steve Walsh
b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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dishstaller
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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R
A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Y
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
T
A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Tom Speer
Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Foxbat
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv