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mike123abc
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Being a long time 921 user, I thought I would share my experiences with the 622. First off I must say I like the 622 there are a lot of improvements, but some times I feel I am fighting the 622...

1. The built in scaler is 1000x better than the 921. I am constantly zooming, stretching, etc depending on the channel. The partial zoom is nice, but mostly I do full zoom. I never liked the 921 scaler, I always tried to use the one in my TV since the 921 scaler seemed very poor. Now I use the 622 one since it is better than the one in my TV.

2. The OTA HD tuner is far better than the 921 OTA tuner. The locals in my DMA are broadcast with left over Christmas lights... 1-2.5kwatt transmitters. CBS is the only decent one with like 20kwatts. The 921 would sometimes take a minute of the signal bar going up and down to lock in the weak ones. It had a hard time going from 1080i to 720p (i.e. if I was watching 1080i station and tuned a 720p it would take extra long to lock on). The 622 locks on instantly. I would say it is miraculous in comparison. My TV set has built in OTA HD and it never had a problem either, but the 622 is even faster. This gives me much more confidence about getting the OTA channel events.

3. One thing I feel I have to battle is the "smartness" of the recording event timers. With the 921 (and its unreliable OTA) I would record both OTA Lost and satellite Lost at the same time for example to be sure that even if it did not lock in (which it did every now and then) I would still have a backup. Well the 622 does not want to do this. It says the satellite Lost is a duplicate and declines to record it. It is possible to override this behavior but it is a bit buried down in the menus. Perhaps with this super OTA tuner I will gain enough confidence not to have to worry about the duplicates.

4. One of the nice features of setting up an event is you can see if it will record it or not. If it does not want to record it, it will put an X on it in the guide or strike it through in the timers list. This is a bit annoying as mentioned in #3, but also because it is still a bit dumb in other cases. Case in point, I was watching a movie (tuned in the middle), said hmm guess I will record it, hit record. Well then I looked through the guide to see if it repeated, it did. So, I thought may as well get the beginning too, pressed record on that one. Well it automatically refused to record it. Because it had it already being recorded (even though it would not be a full recording). Again I had to go override it. Even stopping the current recording and deleting it was not enough. It actually keeps a list of old timer events, you have to go delete the timer event. Yes I know this keeps it from recording the same show over again.

5. The default behavior when picking a show to record out of the guide and saying you want to have it repeat will cause it to automatically adjust the recording times when it comes one. But, it cannot figure out that reruns on the same channel are not new events and it will record them too. For example I record Smallville on one of the WBs. Well it wants to pick up the rerun WBs even if you tell it new shows only. Apparently it bases new shows on if it has ever recorded that particular episode or not, not guide data.

6. If you decide to just record a block of time manually instead of trying to do shows it does not divide up the block by shows when you go back to watch them like the 921 does. For example I record 5pm - 7pm to get all the news. When you go back to watch this on the 921 you see multi events and you can pick which of the shows you want to watch in the block and jump right to it. On the 622 you just get a block named manual timer and the date/time. Yeah I know the 921 never named them right either, always named it the show that ended right before the block started.

7. The remote for TV 1 is IR. I could not find how to change it to UHF anywhere in the manual without turning off TV 2. Well it is possible. The review of the 622 posted at DBStalk does tell how on page 43. It is nice to have all the outputs active at once and 2 built in UHF modulators to feed back in the signals to other TVs. They really should document in the manual how to do the change, after all what good does it to have a channel out for TV1 for another room if the UHF is IR?

8. The Guide has fewer channels on it at one time. You do have a nice selection of guide formats, but the smallest print one still has fewer channels than the 921.

9. It seems to test the phone line every day. It reboots once a day, and you can adjust the time. The only issue is if you have the TV on at that time it will put a big box up asking if it is OK to reboot and get the guide updates. It was nice to be able to force a 9 day guide update using the menu since it had downloaded the guide before my channels were authorised so it did not have more than the 3 hour guide on my channels. I changed the time to a couple minutes in the future and a couple minutes later it asked if it could shutdown and do the update.

10. When you turn the unit off it really puts it on screen saver. The only real annoyance of this is that it says press select to exit the screen saver when you really need to push the power button again.

11. The menus of course are all rearranged and it takes a bit of experimentation to find them all.

12. The step forward and back frame by frame is different. Single stepping backwards seems to work the same as the 921. It appears to go back to the previous I frame (MPEG compression works by sending a series of frames types I, P, & B. I frames are the complete picture, P frames describe differences between the frame and the previous frame (i.e. this object moved 5 pixes to the right and the rest of the picture stayed the same), B frames describe differences based on the frames before and the frames after, the most complicated of the 3 types of frames to compute). When stepping forward the 921 stepped by P and I frames, the 622 steps by I P and B frames. The MPEG stream may look like IBBPBBPBBPBBPBBI in this case about 15 frames or 1/2 second per I frame. When stepping backwards with both the 921 and 622 you would go back about 1/2 second per step. When you step forward on the 921 you would jump a few frames each time, with the 622 you seem to really step through every frame. It is many more steps going forward with the 622 compared the 921. I think it is an improvement since you can really see everything. Perhaps the next version of the chip set will have a big enough memory buffer that it can construct an entire GOP sequence and will be able to frame by frame backwards too.

13. Pressing pause on the 622 causes it to jump back to the previous I frame. You notice a slight repeat when you press play again.

14. It is marginal for the bedroom. The 921 is way too loud for the bedroom. The 622 with its auto throttle of the fan is quite enough that I can sleep with it. The hard drive seeks are noticeable, but do not bother me too much. But, the timed reboot will throw it to high fan for about 30 seconds. I am trying to figure out if I want to change the time on it or not.

15. When it messes up it reboots right away. Yes there are some bugs, I think they are in OTA and scaling parts of the system right now (i.e. it has rebooted on me a few times when pressing * to change the aspect ratio, and when doing trick plays with OTA). The 921 would lock up and I would have to get up and hold the front panel button for 10 seconds to force a reboot. At least I do not have to get up any more. I have confidence they will eventually work out these bugs.

16. The initial set up has the Canadian DBS satellites 82 and 91 on the point dish. I guess it will not be long before it appears north of the border.

17. It does not ship with any HD cables. It came with a full set of standard definition cables. 1 Svideo, a composite, 2 RG 59 cables (with big red tags saying do not hook up to the satellite inputs), phone line, and a DPP separator which was nice to install with my DPP44.

18. You cannot put in your OTA locals until the unit is authorised. You can have it look for them and it will find them, but you cannot tune them in. I put them in before calling dish. Was unable to access them even though I was getting the free satellite channels (like 101). I called Dish, got my receiver added and then I found out it had deleted all the OTA that I had scanned before. I had to rescan and then it had the channels. The locals did not have guide data, until I forced it to download the guide again as described above. Being able to force the guide download is a nice feature.

19. As usual it took a day to map down the local channels. You have the option to pick Dish HD or OTA HD as the priority (if of course your DMA gets satellite HD locals), also you can decide if you want the standard definition ones remapped too. As an interesting note it put PBS at channel 60 and the WB on a 60+ number too (I cannot remember which one now). My PBS is the one they put in for markets that do not have and the WB is the new one they put in small markets that do not have a local WB. It is nice having these 2 "freebies" mapped down. Of course the other receivers probably do it too.. I never had it in the past since it would block OTA analog locals. (i.e. I get channels OTA that dish does not carry and if you turn on the mapping they go away).

20. The UHF Pro remotes (version 8.0) that I use for my 921 and my 811 had no problem controlling the 622. Having the IR only TV 1 is annoying until you get it working with the UHF remote, but you have to get it all set up before you can switch it.

21. It seems to default to TV 2 in use. I never used TV2, and never put the batteries in the TV 2 remote. But, all during the setup it kept giving warnings that the changes would disrupt the viewing on TV 2. I know the warnings are a nice reminder for the future, just annoying during the initial set up.

22. Working with setting up local channels completely disrupts the satellite operations. What I mean by this is just going to the installation of local channels menu screen will stop all timers that may be running on satellite tuners. There is no warning about this (i.e. a pop up asking if you really want to access this menu and stop all your current timers). I could see perhaps this happening if you go to scan for a new channel or something, but just bringing up the menu is a bit sensitive. Now if you have TV 2 enabled it will give you a warning that TV 2 will be disrupted, but if you have it in single mode there is no warning.

23. Many have reported lip sync issues. I had the issue and played around with the menus and found an audio setup for sync. It was defaulted to HD audio, I changed it to SD audio syncing and have not had a problem with it again. Perhaps another bug to be worked out.

24. I bought this receiver retail. I have decided I will probably do the $99 upgrade of my 921 in April. This unit is so much better (even with the few reboot bugs) than the 921. I am not really happy about the deal, but compared with the 622 the 921 really seems like a boat anchor. I say this now only after 1 day of use... I have timers duplicated right now with the 921 and 622 just in case. I am hoping that the 622 continues to work flawlessly (at least with recording events) and I do not have to fall back on the 921 any more.
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BobMurdoch
One other thing to remember when upgrading from a 921...... If you are using the DVI output like I was, you will need either new cables ($100-150 at BB, CC, or CompUSA) as the output is HDMI vs. the DVI on the 921, or a converter.

I was able to find a converter online for $26 so I could reuse my 12 ft. DVI to DVI cable. Best Buy carries a converter in my town, but it was the wrong one (they had the male DVI to female HDMI, we need the reverse).... Circuit City, Radio Shack, and CompUSA didn't carry ANY HDMI DVI converters in my areas in central NJ.

Here is a link to a bunch of sites that carry the Monster version....

http://froogle.google.com/froogle_c...3195381&btnG=Search+Froogle&scoring=mrd&hl=en
BobMurdoch
The biggest change for me is the Name Based recording. Wow, a ton of options to wade through. I'm used to setting "backup" timers in case the receiver burps on "must see" shows (Stargate Atlantis kept getting screwed up on SciFi for some weird reason.... the 9pm show would glitch, but the midnight timer fired fine every time).

I will have to find a way to override it on occasion, but I like the fact that I won't have to chase American Idol around the schedule anymore for the missus....
mwgiii
Thanks Mike! :clap:clap:clap

I have been looking for a 921 vs. 622 review.

If the next software upgrade on the 622 doesn't screw it up, I will be ordering one on 4/1.
mike123abc
I had the 921 hooked up on component. The 622 I have hooked up on both HDMI and component (I have 2 TVs hooked up, component for the remote room).

The picture quality is so much better on the 622 vs the 921 for standard definition (on both component and hdmi). The difference I believe is all in the scaler. HD does not really appear to be any different, but then the HD is not being scaled (I feed 1080i in). Remember everything SD is scaled on Dish, and the better scaler really helps.

I do like the DVR timer setups for the 622 better than the 921. It is possible to set it all up just like the 921 once you find all the menus. You can override the duplicate filter and say always record the duplicate timer.

You just have to get used to it. The first timer you set up has priority over the next timer. So, if you have OTA HD programmed first and then do the STD satellite, it will want to skip the satellite. But, if you had made the timers in the opposite order it would want to record the satellite and skip the OTA. But, you can go and set the second timer to always record even if duplicate.

The new episode is nice but just points out how flawed the guide data can be (this is probably the fault of the local stations). Syndicated reruns are all pretty much "new".

The only real thing I miss from the 921 was the manual timer block of programmig (i.e. record NBC 7-10pm Thursday) and the ability to select this block and see all the shows inside and being able to jump to a particular one.

I got the 622 last Friday night. I have not had to resort to the 921 backup yet. It managed to record everything (and a few extra) so far. I will be more than ready in a month to send back in the 921 for upgrade.
ggw2000
mike123abc said:
I had the 921 hooked up on component. The 622 I have hooked up on both HDMI and component (I have 2 TVs hooked up, component for the remote room).

The picture quality is so much better on the 622 vs the 921 for standard definition (on both component and hdmi). The difference I believe is all in the scaler. HD does not really appear to be any different, but then the HD is not being scaled (I feed 1080i in). Remember everything SD is scaled on Dish, and the better scaler really helps.

Mike, thanks for the response! I figured you were talking about SD but was wondering if it was component or HDMI. Personally I can't decide whether to lease one on april 1st or buy one. I REALLY have a problem getting into a 18 month commitment as I have never had one with Dish in the past 6 yrs:rolleyes: . If I buy, then I have the other problem of trying to sell the 921... Gerry
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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dishstaller
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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NYDutch
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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All Night Long - Joe Walsh
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Night Fever - Bee Gees
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Day By Day - Godspell
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b4pjoe
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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dishstaller
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Y
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
T
A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Foxbat
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv