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I droped E* after 6 years and last 2 years at D* but the E* readers may find the article informative.
How we pay for cable may be about to change By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
Thu Mar 2, 7:11 AM ET



Cable TV companies have long said the "expanded-basic" package of channels that most viewers choose is a bargain. For about $41 a month, they note, you can see scores of channels, including CNN and ESPN.


Most of us, though, typically watch only 15 to 17 channels a month, according to industry estimates. Yet expanded basic continues to swell like a hot-air balloon - and so has its price. A few years ago, expanded basic offered about 35 channels; today, 200 to 300 channels are common. The price of expanded basic has jumped more than 40% in five years. In that time, overall prices for goods and services are up just 12%.


Now, thanks to new technology, shifting sentiment in Washington and deep-pocketed rivals such as AT&T and Verizon, the expanded-basic balloon might be about to pop. On the horizon: a la carte programming, which would let people buy only the channels they want and include special-interest packages for sports, news, hobbies and more. (Related items: Popular channels used to push others | Chart: Family packages from major pay TV providers)


The a la carte concept is endorsed by Kevin Martin, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. The FCC recently found that consumers could shave up to 13% off their cable TV bills with an a la carte system.


Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., an influential member of the Senate Commerce Committee, is preparing legislation that would reward companies that offer a la carte.


Within five years, the cable industry's system of bundled channels, ever-rising prices and near-monopolistic control will fade into history, predicts Ford Cavallari, a media analyst at Adventis. Satellite TV operators, which have also come to depend on various versions of expanded basic, could also be affected. Together, the cable and satellite TV industries serve more than 100 million U.S. customers. All could face a new frontier of viewing options under an a la carte system.


"I think we are on a slippery slope to something that hopefully will be much better for consumers," says Gene Kimmelman of Consumers Union. "Consumers could wind up with more choices and more control over what they spend and what they get."


The signs of change are global. Cable viewers in Spain, Italy, Canada and Hong Kong already can buy channels individually. In the United Kingdom, viewers can pick from scores of special-interest tiers of programming; some of them offer just a few channels.


In the USA, Verizon and AT&T are building advanced video networks. Both have expressed interest in selling channels a la carte.


Not everyone wants to change the system. Programmers that supply channels to cable companies are reluctant to do anything that might siphon off customers from the Big Bundle, industry slang for expanded basic.


Why? Profit. In the cable and satellite TV world, ad rates are based on the number of "eyeballs" system operators reach. Expanded basic has the longest reach, so it commands the fattest subscription fees and ad rates.


A la carte gives consumers an escape hatch from expanded basic. That's why programmers don't like it. To protect themselves, they bar cable and satellite TV companies from selling their channels a la carte or in special-interest tiers.


Even so, programmers are laying the groundwork - inadvertently, perhaps - for an a la carte system in the USA, Cavallari says.


Last fall, he notes, Disney started offering commercial-free Internet downloads of Lost, Desperate Housewives and other ABC shows for $1.99 per episode. NBC (owned by General Electric) and CBS are doing the same with some of their shows, at 99 cents an episode.


These offerings, Cavallari says, are essentially a la carte content. As the market for on-demand TV catches fire, he predicts, "It will become harder for programmers to argue that you have to keep the (expanded-basic) business model propped up forever."


Charles Dolan, chairman of Cablevision, which owns cable networks and programming, is one of the few cable operators to openly favor an a la carte system. "Fundamentally, (a la carte) would be better for the consumer," Dolan says. "And if you do something that is better for the consumer, financially and economically it's going to be better for the industry."


Charlie Ergen, CEO of EchoStar, the USA's No. 2 satellite operator, is also a booster of a la carte. "We just think it's good business to give customers what they want," Ergen says. "And what they want is a la carte programming."


What viewers want

A recent USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll of U.S. viewers supports that argument. Of those surveyed, 54% said they would prefer to buy channels individually; 43% said they'd rather pay a flat fee for a fixed number of channels. The results challenge what the U.S. cable industry has been saying for decades: that most customers in the USA don't want a la carte programming.

"We don't see a lot of anxiety on the part of consumers looking to pick what channels they want to watch," says Tony Vinciquerra, CEO of Fox Networks, who opposes a la carte. Expanded basic "brings enormous value to the customer."

It's also lucrative for cable companies. With expanded basic, companies don't have to worry about selling channels on their merits; they can just jam them into the bundle. In that one-size-fits-all system, programmers get paid even if no one tunes in.

"The main reason Disney and the others don't want to sell a la carte is because when you give customers the choice, they buy less channels," Ergen says. "Less channels mean you make less money."

Even so, Ergen says, he'd sell programming on an a la carte basis in a heartbeat - if big programmers allowed it. With the freedom to experiment, he says, operators could concoct scores of special-interest packages of content.

Confronted with a blizzard of choices like that, most people would buy lots of content. Ergen figures, "We'd make more money." There's also the fairness factor to consider, he says. "Why does a customer have to buy a package from a cable or satellite operator that has over 100 channels in it?"

Dolan goes a step further, calling expanded basic "anti-consumer." He also says it's helping to keep cable prices "artificially high."

The FCC agrees. With a la carte, its report found, "A consumer could cut his programming bills merely by electing to purchase fewer networks." Also, "A la carte could make service affordable to those who cannot afford bundled rates."

The report noted what consumer advocates have been saying for years: With a la carte, viewers would be able "to pay only for the programming they value." Because the FCC doesn't regulate programming, it can only make recommendations on how content is sold.

Programmers would suffer

An a la carte system would topple the economic equation that's fed the cable industry. Programmers would be hit hard "because their business model for the last decade has been bundling channels," says Paul Gallant, an analyst at Stanford Washington Research.

Consider ESPN, owned by Disney. It's one of the most expensive channels in expanded basic: $2 to $3 a month per subscriber. Many other channels cost 25 cents or less.

Yet only about 30% of consumers regularly watch ESPN, says Vinciquerra of Fox. The cost of ESPN winds up being subsidized by the remaining 70% of viewers. His view is consistent with those of other cable operators.

Disney insists ESPN is popular with the masses; the USA TODAY poll suggests otherwise. The poll indicates just 28% of Americans would pay a fee to buy a sports programming package that included ESPN. Most - 53% - said they probably wouldn't.

About half of Disney's $54 billion market value flows from ESPN. So if ESPN's value plummeted, so would Disney's value to investors.

Trying to avoid government-mandated a la carte, the biggest cable operators have been rolling out "family tiers" of programming. They feature channels with content that is free of sex, strong language and mature themes.

The family tiers are intended to satisfy the FCC, which has been urging the industry to give parents more control over what cable channels pipe into homes.

It's not clear how these new programming packages, which compete with expanded basic, will fare. Most don't offer much: 15 to 16 channels, on average. They don't provide anchor channels such as CNN or any movie channels.

Family tiers cost $13 to $15 a month. That doesn't include $5 to $8 a month for a digital cable TV box and $14 more for basic, which includes local TV signals. (By law, cable operators must sell you basic before they can sell you any other tier. Satellite TV operators are exempt from this rule.) Total tab: $32 to $37 a month.

That's slightly cheaper than expanded basic, which averages $41 a month. Still, the current family tiers are hardly a bargain, especially considering the puny size of the channel packages, says Brent Bozell of the Parents Television Council, a family advocacy group.

"Family tiers are a very bad joke," he says. "They're designed to fail so that cable operators can say there is no demand for family programming."

Programmers, meantime, keep talking up the Big Bundle.

"The expanded-basic bundle is the most economic and efficient way to deliver programming to customers," says Preston Padden, a Disney executive vice president.

Padden says Disney is no fan of tiers - family oriented or otherwise - or an a la carte system. He says an a la carte system would force up rates because there would be fewer viewers for a given channel. "You wind up charging the customer more, even though he's getting less," Padden says.

Vinciquerra of Fox agrees: "I think the (expanded-basic) model, as it is today, works pretty well. To challenge that is to try to fix something that doesn't need fixing."

How, then, to explain the approach of Fox's sister company, BSkyB, a UK-based satellite TV operator? BSkyB offers customers more than 90 packages, some of them with just a few channels. It also has loads of special-interest tiers. Fox and BSkyB have the same parent - News Corp. Yet in the USA, Fox continues to stress bundled packages. Asked why, Vinciquerra says, "Foreign markets grew up differently."

So are U.S. customers well-served by their cable and satellite TV providers? Ergen, the EchoStar chief, says a la carte would help. "We think it's good to give customers choice, and the best choice is a la carte."

His views are colored by EchoStar's own experiences. For 16 years, he notes, EchoStar sold ESPN, CNN and other channels on an a la carte basis. The option was available only to the 2 million rural customers who had huge "C-band" satellite dishes. In those C-band markets, he says, many people still bought programming packages. But many others chose their channels a la carte.

EchoStar, which has 12 million customers across the USA, got out of the C-band business in 1996. Still, Ergen says, the experience was instructive.

"Let's don't try to speak for the customer," he says. "Let's just put it out there and see what happens."
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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
tanman
For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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dishstaller
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
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NYDutch
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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All Night Long - Joe Walsh
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Night Fever - Bee Gees
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Night By Night - Steely Dan
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Day By Day - Godspell
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Derk Day - Steve Walsh
b4pjoe
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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navychop
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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Juan
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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dishstaller
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdribution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.
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Foxbat
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI
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Bobby
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
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dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOo3jzkhYA&pp=ygUed29tYW4gaGVhcnMgZm9yIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1l
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dishstaller
Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5UCDwHMatg?feature=share
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dishstaller
This came up in my suggestions probably because of the video I posted. I had NO idea exactly what being color blind actually was. Now I understand why that man was so blown away with seeing the trees......a lot of color blind people see green as brown, so grass, trees, etc all look brown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i18_RngKJDQ
Juan
Its a shame nobody told him orange was blue and red was purple etc etc etc
T
Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv