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CharredPC
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US Digital was a company I really liked awhile back. They sold two kinds of boxes (well, ok, the exact same box with slightly altered firmware) at WalMart; a straight OTA HD receiver for $200, and a $20 version that required you to subscribe to their broadcast pay channels to activate. If you ever cancelled subscription service on the $20, it essentially acted like the $200 version... so a good buy, anyway. The pay channels were decent enough for the $20/month fee; Food Network, Toon, some other stuff. Just buy the box, take it home, hook it up, subscribe over the phone if needed and away you go.

So, the ex-wife took my HDTV box awhile back, and while my FTA satellite hobby is fun, my fiance really wants the Food Network. As she hardly watches anything else except the major networks, I thought- this would be perfect! $20 per month is much cheaper than cable, and I'll just buy a new box at Wal-Mart. Off I go to try and get one...

They changed everything. You simply cannot buy one of their HD boxes anymore. You can purchase a "Startup Kit" which is a little cardboard deal with adverts and a promo cd inside. You can pay at the register for a $24.99 "installation fee." Then you call them up and set up an appointment for them to come "install" it. Fine, I thought, whatever. But how irritating.

Oh, but it gets worse. You call up (M-S, during business hours only) and they want to run a credit check on you immediately. A credit check?? I want the dang US Digital DB-2010 box again, the same as I used to own. I have my credit card out, if I have to pay even more to get one... unfortunately my ex destroyed my credit before leaving. They tell me I'll have to pay a $75 deposit on the box, as it's rented... ?! I tell them, you know what? I'm going to go buy one of your DB-2010 boxes from a third party, plug it into the wall outlet and antenna the same way I did with the last one (I must be so clever to be able to 'install' it!), then I'll be calling up for service without this hassle. The rep starts warning me I'm going to pay a fortune for the box, what it retails for, etc... I inform him I've picked them up at thrift store for under $15, and they sell on ebay for under $40.

Now I get to go back to Wal-mart and try to get a refund on the "installation fee," ie the little packet of marketing junk. HDTV enthusiasts beware. I'd have been first in line pushing this USDtv stuff six months ago; now it's a headache I wouldn't even wish upon my ex. Almost... ;)
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CharredPC, thats pretty bad, i am waiting to find a reliable off-air set top box made with the 5th gen. lg 8vsb chip. i thought about trying one of those US Digital receivers. the activated voom receivers are still currently the best buy. i updated my web space on this info: http://home.att.net/~roashru/Voom.html
partyharty
That stinks,

Sounds like a lot more people found the "loophole" than they were expecting. Oh well it had to end sometime (because its definatly costing them more than $20 to make these things). On one of your other posts you said they were having problems with people selling the $20 versions for $200 via Ebay (which led to a lot of people being ticked at US Digital). Sounds like the iopener all over again.

They sold these at a local walmart up until about 3 mo. ago. Then they "clearanced" them for $119 (ha), Finally got rid of them at $75 ea. Now all they have is the $25 promo disk.

Of course as you said you can still get one (or a similar unit) on ebay for less than $40. Probably be the way to go
jegrant
My B&M WM used to sell the non-subscription version (as we don't yet have OTA USDTV) for around $200 and then it just disappeared. I think the only solution they currently offer is either integrated DTV tuners or DirecTV.

I think it would have made more sense financially to just offer a $200 plain tuner, or a $200 tuner + 1 year service package. Then they'd get money up front regardless, and most people (IMO) would probably buy the one that comes with the year's service free of charge.
CharredPC
I ended up getting my old box back from the ex (not fun) and getting a clueless new agent on the phone at the US Digital call center. He had me reset the box to factory specs using a remote button combo, then wiped the last people's account info and set me up with service. When I called to do this months and months back, I was told they couldn't, as my box was linked to someone else's account. Hooray for incompetance! Anyway, I now am paying $20 per month for a dozen or so pay channels, plus all the locals (more now than there were last I used it!). Now to see if I can get the money back from Wal-mart for the "installation kit..."
charper1
I see you are in Utah?

What do those 11 pay USDTV channels (minus the locals and the other stuff that comes in free OTA) Is it $25/mo for just those 11? ($2.27 PER CHANNEL?) Is this correct?

Isn't that somewhat high? I mean I know its less total, but more per, like buying pints of milk as opposed to one gallon all at once.

DirecTV: 0.290/chnl (TC)
DirecTV: 0.875/chnl (family pkg)?
Dish: 0.500/chnl (AT60)
Dish: 0.512/chnl (family pkg)

And of the 11 pay, if any have HD, do you get that?

Are they the same 11 pay channels everywhere?

Help me out, I was thinking this might be cool for my grandmother, but if its really $25/mo the value is not there. I would pay the additional $15 - $20 to add all the choice of the Dish Network Family pack or the DirecTV TC.
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IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
Have you tried a new power brick on your Amiko? It's slim pickings out there anymore. The FTA market in the US has pretty much been abandoned.

This would likely be your best bet, and Rick is a good seller. I've never had any issues with him:

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Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
harshness
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
MikeD-C05
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
K
I just thought her behavior, including the bare feet thing, was disrespectful to her position.
harshness
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes.
That is your right.

I couldn't buy hiding behind the dirty-feet argument.
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Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
TheForce
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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TheForce
Heard a story from one of the Apple influencers on YT that the 18PM has a bug where it stops connecting to AT&T service. Doesn't affect Verizon or T-Mobile. Apple is replacing the phones. Anyone else hear of this? Defective Modem?
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harshness
Defective Modem?
It seems the phone gets locked into Sat mode. A software patch is coming to avoid that pitfall, but it comes too late for those who already fell in.

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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


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Foxbat
If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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comfortably_numb
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
dishdude
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
AZ.
AZ.
Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
I agree, for $35 it aint perfect but just as reliable as my cable was. And that was twice as much and still rising
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Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Don't Take Me Alive - Steely Dan
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TAKE On ME-A-Ha
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On Broadway - George Benson
Bobby
Stay In Time - Off Broadway USA
harshness
Just In Time - Tony Bennett
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
Jimbo
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
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I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Jimbo
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
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Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
We have a regional ice cream company here that advertises that their ice cream containers are still a full half gallon.
Jimbo
We have a regional ice cream company here that advertises that their ice cream containers are still a full half gallon.
Now check and see if any of them (probably a few) are actual Ice Cream ...

Most Ice Creams are Not actual Ice Cream.
Bryers for example, call Most of thiers "Frozen Dairy Dessert"
Jimbo
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
harshness
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only.
You would be thinking wrong when it comes to goods that are sold by weight (meat, produce, nails). Those items typically go on the scale wrapped without an associated tare. The weight only excludes the sticker because it hasn't been printed yet.
Jimbo
You would be thinking wrong when it comes to goods that are sold by weight (meat, produce, nails). Those items typically go on the scale wrapped without an associated tare. The weight only excludes the sticker because it hasn't been printed yet.
Thats ridiculous ....

Thats not how Deli does it, I know your talking pre packaged.
They need to CHANGE that.
harshness
Thats not how Deli does it, I know your talking pre packaged.
Perhaps only for sliced meat and cheese. Salads and similarly "shifty" or "drippy" items are typically weighed in deli cartons of some sort.

My monster burritos (up to two lbs.) are weighed in their foil jackets or paper mache take-out trays, and the jacket/tray is then "sealed" with the printed label as it comes off the printer.

Precision has to give way to practicality in situations like that.
TRG
TRG
Now check and see if any of them (probably a few) are actual Ice Cream ...

Most Ice Creams are Not actual Ice Cream.
Bryers for example, call Most of thiers "Frozen Dairy Dessert"
I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.
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Jimbo
Perhaps only for sliced meat and cheese. Salads and similarly "shifty" or "drippy" items are typically weighed in deli cartons of some sort.

My monster burritos (up to two lbs.) are weighed in their foil jackets or paper mache take-out trays, and the jacket/tray is then "sealed" with the printed label as it comes off the printer.

Precision has to give way to practicality in situations like that.
What ever I get out of the Deli is put into a container when I ask them for it, they weight the container and then add the deli product, thats the way its suppose to be, if the rest of the world is screwing you, you should try the place down the street.
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Jimbo
I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.
$7.50 a 1/2 gallon, thats worse than Bryers price wise.
Jimbo
I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.
1st Big Question is ... How Much Sugar is in it and Sodium and Carbs ...
I' m really not suppose to have Ice Cream, or at least Moderately ....
Depending on the amount of sugar and sodium (don't think theres sodium in it, but Carbs probably is.)
Jimbo
$7.50 a 1/2 gallon, thats worse than Bryers price wise.
I'll give that a try next time, if I can find some in the right sugar areas.
Juan
What ever I get out of the Deli is put into a container when I ask them for it, they weight the container and then add the deli product, thats the way its suppose to be, if the rest of the world is screwing you, you should try the place down the street.
They are probably cheating you by swapping store brand product for name brand...those store deli's are very sketchy
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Bobby
I'll give that a try next time, if I can find some in the right sugar areas.
22g per serving.
Juan
22g per serving.
How much is a serving?
Bobby
How much is a serving?
2/3 of a cup, a large scoop.
Jimbo
They are probably cheating you by swapping store brand product for name brand...those store deli's are very sketchy
They are made every day at this place ... it's a little Ma and Pop store ...

When ever I order something, they weigh the container (like everyone is suppose to) then weigh the product, so you actually get what your paying for lb wise ...
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They are made every day at this place ... it's a little Ma and Pop store ...

When ever I order something, they weigh the container (like everyone is suppose to) then weigh the product, so you actually get what your paying for lb wise ...
I apologize...I was thought you were talking about a supermarket deli
Jimbo
I apologize...I was thought you were talking about a supermarket deli
Well, it is a Super market deli, just not a MAJOR one .
navychop
2/3 of a cup, a large scoop.

Awwww. You missed your chance to say "22 grams."
navychop
don't think theres sodium in it

According to "Miss A"" there is. Especially for higher end ones.
Jimbo
According to "Miss A"" there is. Especially for higher end ones.
I did look into that ... the ones I get have about 65mg, which is very little ... but then I wouldn't expect much to be in Ice Cream.
Carbs are more than I would have liked ...
Bobby
I did look into that ... the ones I get have about 65mg, which is very little ... but then I wouldn't expect much to be in Ice Cream.
Carbs are more than I would have liked ...
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dishstaller
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I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.


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Foxbat
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
Bruce
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
Thanks for that info. I will mark it on my calendar! 🤣
Jimbo
Will the Jupiter 2 make it in time ....
Stay tuned ...